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Re: Winter Laminitis, does relocating to warmer temps help?

Amy
 

Thank you so much! I will head over to the main board and start searching.. and as I suspect as the temps here start to warm up and the snow melts, she's moving around better and seems more like herself.. 

sigh... she's my sons pony and she is so awesome.. this is heartbreaking.


Re: I am looking for a recommendation on hoof knives.

celestinefarm
 

Update, I am using the Anvil knives and really like them. Thanks all for the suggestions.

Dawn Wagstaff
Saline, MI  2003


Re: Reverse Horse shoes???

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Myriam,

We prefer to have horses barefoot and in boots to make it easier to do frequent trimming adjustments on their feet.  You can read more about this on the website here: https://www.ecirhorse.com/DDT+E-trim.php.
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Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge)
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Re: Reverse Horse shoes???

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Myriam,

So sorry that Aragon is having these issues. Because he is highly likely to be an Ir horse, all of your questions regarding his care and issues should remain on the main ECIR group - this includes ones about his hooves.

I'll address your concerns more back on the main group.

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Lavinia
Jan 2005, RI

Moderator/ECIR Support


Reverse Horse shoes???

myriam.desrosiers@...
 

Hello! Aragon have been diagnosed with laminitis... He was in pain last  month, about mid january, so farrier came. The only solution he could  think of to relief him was putting reverse horse shoes. But after being on this group, i'M not shure this is the best solution for him... Can i get a advice? He is suspected to have a winter laminitis... soil was pure ice and lumpy before he got in pain in january. He has boots, but can't put them on because of horse shoes. I've already put whool socks and polos to warm his legs... and already cut his hay intake... thank you so much !!

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MyriamD, Qc, Canada

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Re: snow packing in hooves

Mel V
 

I have the same thing going on, the barefoot horses don't get snow balls too badly, but the shod horses do.  I keep a hammer at the edge of the snow, before I go into the barn, and I use the claw of the hammer to strike the ice-balls out.  I don't hit straight down towards the sole, but at angle, as I obviously don't want to bruise the foot.  

I've found this to work better than any hoofpick over the past several winter.  
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Mel & Bali
Joined ECIR 2/23/2020
Purcellville, Virginia, USA
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Re: snow packing in hooves

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

While duct tape will keep the snow out, it makes for a very slippery surface when walking on snow/ice, esp. when it's compacted.

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Lavinia
Jan 2005, RI

Moderator/ECIR Support


Re: snow packing in hooves

Donna Hedicke
 

We wrap them in duct tape.  Have to change it daily, but our navicular gelding was walking on 3 inch balls (shoes with 1/2 pads)

You'll never plow a field by turning it over in your mind.

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a donde vas farm


Re: snow packing in hooves

Michele Einarson
 

Shoes will definitely make the problem worse.  When I lived in cold country, we used Teflon spray, like they sell for snow shovels and snow blowers.  I got it at the hardware store.
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Michele & Mosey
Feb 2019
Reno, NV, USA


Re: snow packing in hooves

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Bonnie,

My first question is "does he have to have shoes on?" Then, if so, "do you have snowball pads on him?"  I've seen some people using dental impression material to fill in the hooves with horses that are shod.
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Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge)
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Re: snow packing in hooves

gypsylassie
 

I don't have any advice on preventing hoof snow balls, but if you can have him in snow or deep shavings so he can stand while you lift a hoof, there is an aggressive hoof pick that can sometimes break up and remove them.   It's called Ultimate Hoof Pick.   I don't use it for regular hoof cleaning because it digs too easily into the sole, but it can be pretty good at getting those snow balls.   
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL


Re: snow packing in hooves

Anne Coull
 

Doesnt salt help melt ice by lowering the melting point?


On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 11:46 AM Bonnie <bon.ivey@...> wrote:
This is a long shot, but has anyone found a way to prevent snow from balling up in their horse's hooves? I tried the "Just spray the soles with non-stick cooking spray" route and it was useless. When the temperature is just right ( or Wrong!) it packs into my pony's feet and forms a round surface. Imagine slicing 1/3 off a grapefruit. That is the size and shape of the compressed snow/ice stuck to his feet. I see his pasterns flexing as he tries to stand on 4 round things, not so bad when he is walking in snow but dangerous when he comes indoors.

Can't get the snow-pack out of his feet before he comes in: it will not come out till it softens a bit. Dangerous on concrete! He once had his hinds slide out from under as he turned to enter the stall. He fell and took me down with him. Now I keep the aisle sprinkled with shavings for traction. Boots are impractical. Temps here range from freezing down to minus 25 F during his winter turnout time. Thanks in advance!



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snow packing in hooves

Bonnie
 

This is a long shot, but has anyone found a way to prevent snow from balling up in their horse's hooves? I tried the "Just spray the soles with non-stick cooking spray" route and it was useless. When the temperature is just right ( or Wrong!) it packs into my pony's feet and forms a round surface. Imagine slicing 1/3 off a grapefruit. That is the size and shape of the compressed snow/ice stuck to his feet. I see his pasterns flexing as he tries to stand on 4 round things, not so bad when he is walking in snow but dangerous when he comes indoors.

Can't get the snow-pack out of his feet before he comes in: it will not come out till it softens a bit. Dangerous on concrete! He once had his hinds slide out from under as he turned to enter the stall. He fell and took me down with him. Now I keep the aisle sprinkled with shavings for traction. Boots are impractical. Temps here range from freezing down to minus 25 F during his winter turnout time. Thanks in advance!


Re: Winter Laminitis, does relocating to warmer temps help?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

Hi Amy,

So sorry your girl is having issues.

Lots of discussion regarding this issue is on the main ECIR group. Winter laminitis is about pain caused by cold-induced circulatory issues. These are set off when temps drop below 50*F, so if that is the underlying cause, then living where temps don't fall below that threshold would be helpful. To deal with that in colder temps, blanketing the animal to maintain the body temp and adding socks inside of boots, plus wraps on the legs (fleece lined shipping boots work well) will also help. Adding Jiaogulan and arginine will help improve the circulation.

Here's one post on the Main list to get you started.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/257071

Here's the link to Dr. Kellon's blog on winter hoof pain:

https://drkhorsesense.wordpress.com/2020/11/09/winter-hoof-pain/

This can also be a red flag for a PPID involvement. Have you had her ACTH tested? Fall/winter laminitis is a classic symptom of PPID.

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Lavinia
Jan 2005, RI

Moderator/ECIR Support


Winter Laminitis, does relocating to warmer temps help?

Amy
 

Hi All... 
Long time lurker, first time poster here :)

I have an approximately 20 y/o IR pony who, I'm confident, has been stricken with winter laminitis. This will be the 2nd winter she's had trouble. Last winter (I'm located in SW PA) I thought it was from the very hard frozen ground, so I booted her and she made a miraculous recovery in the spring. Unfortunately she's having more trouble this winter. It started earlier and seems worse for her this time. Her diet is as dialed in as I can get it and she's not the least bit over weight. I have tested hay to make sure my orchard/timothy mix wasn't the culprit but it's not.  ESC+Starch is very very low as well pretty low iron. Her current diet is just enough soaked orchard grass pellets to mix her supplements in. I supplement her jiaogulan, copper, zinc and magnesium. She's blanketed although she's got a nice winter coat and cloud boots all the way around. She's struggling and some days are better than others. There doesn't seem to be any rotation, she's just really foot sore.

I'm going to see how she recovers this spring and if she makes another miraculous recovery, I'm sure it's winter laminitis. If this is the case I'm going to try to rehome her in a warmer climate and if I can't do that, then I'm thinking of letting her have a good summer and fall, then let her go before it gets cold. I just can't put her through this again. I noticed she's laying down more and just overall miserable many days. I will keep her as comfortable as I can for now.

I guess my question is... has anyone relocated one with winter laminitis to a warmer climate and it resolved, or at least helped at all?

Thank you,
Amy


Re: I am looking for a recommendation on hoof knives.

Bobbie Day
 

I bought one from Scott Davidson from the hoof rehab site. He does a lot of custom knives for members. You could find him there or if you would like his contact info. My husband is a lefty and good knives for him are hard to find. Scott’s are very well made, and made to last.
I can’t remember how much I paid for it but I don’t think it was much more than other brands.


Re: I am looking for a recommendation on hoof knives.

celestinefarm
 

Thanks for the recommendation. I ordered a right and left Anvil knife and look forward to it's arrival. 

Dawn Wagstaff
Saline, MI 2003


Re: I am looking for a recommendation on hoof knives.

 

Thanks Bonnie. I'll look into that!


On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 1:43 PM, Bonnie Snodgrass
<blsgrass344@...> wrote:
I found it pretty easy to get a nice sharp edge with a carbide sharpener. It is a VERY simple tool. EZ Kutt sells them, Corona sells them, there is a "Speedy Sharp" version. It takes a couple of slow strokes along the blade to get a nice edge. Costs about $12. I struggle trying to sharpen with a file but this simple tool is EASY. It also sharpens pruner blades and all knives. Just a suggestion.
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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

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Re: I am looking for a recommendation on hoof knives.

 

I found it pretty easy to get a nice sharp edge with a carbide sharpener. It is a VERY simple tool. EZ Kutt sells them, Corona sells them, there is a "Speedy Sharp" version. It takes a couple of slow strokes along the blade to get a nice edge. Costs about $12. I struggle trying to sharpen with a file but this simple tool is EASY. It also sharpens pruner blades and all knives. Just a suggestion.
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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case HistoryPhoto Album

 


Re: I am looking for a recommendation on hoof knives.

 

I've been using Anvil Brand's "The Knife" for many years and have been happy with how they hold up, both to trimming and to my personal sharpening technique.

I have bad arthritis in my hands so I need them very sharp and I've been using a Dremel to sharpen them for a long time. My knife purist friends are appalled, but I never got the hang of putting a good edge on with a file, and I'd rather replace the knife more often than use a dull knife on the hard, dry hooves we have in the high desert environment here. They cost around $30 and I bought my last one two years ago - still using that on my two horses.
Jill, Khari and Jetty in Idaho

NRC Grad 2010

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