Thank you Lavinia, sounds quite difficult .

María.

To parse out conformation vs. compensation/pathology, you need to do more than a cursory exam of the horse. A thorough chiropractic work-up, including the sesamoids; have a thorough exam done by a qualified rehab specialist who is trained in structural balancing, equine sports massage, craniosacral therapy.

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support

Thanks a lot Lavinia, that was my understanding but wasn´t 100% sure. 

How do you know whether it is conformational or not? 

María.

You trim each foot to be what is best for that foot - not to match any other foot. Over time, in the vast majority of horses, you likely find that when each foot is trimmed for what it needs, they will end up being very similar (barring major conformational issues).

Also need to actually parse out what is truly conformational and what is pathological/adapted to the pathology. Many times, things that are considered to be conformational are not.

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support

Ups! I didn´t get this email I think. Thank you very much Lavinia, it would be of much help.

María.

Hi!

Is it fine to trim the heels at different heights when one front hoof is high and the other one low? Is it correct in order to have the HPA aligned to leave the low hoof with higher heels than the high hoof provided to toe is short enough for the internal structures? Is there any risk to produce and imbalance between both front hooves? Do I have to watch for something like knees being at the same height or anything?

Thank you very much.

María Durán.
Madrid, Spain.

Hi Maria,

I was on the road al day yesterday so didn't even have a chance to look at my mail. Just checked - I did get them. Will have comments for you once I have a chance to take a look.

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support

Hi Lavinia,

Yesterday I sent you an email with Repeat's x-rays and pics. Not trying to put pressure on you at all, just making sure you recieved the email because the files weighed a lot and maybe you didn't recieve it.

Thank you very much.

María .

OK, thanks, I'll add them to the album.

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support

Hi, my husband and I both looked but didn’t see a way to add them to the album. I sent them to you via email, is that what you meant?  Didn’t know if you needed to add them yourself. 

Thanks!
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Stevi and Duke
Central Texas

https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/album?id=226542

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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 04:42:26 -0800
Subject: Re: Pete Ramey DVDS
I don't know if this is ok, so ain please delete if not. I have the Under the Horse DVDs that I was going to list for sale much cheaper than retail,They so would love to see them end up where they will be used and not just resold. They are in great condition. I am also in MI so could probably meet you 1/2 way :)

Kristine, MI
Nov 2019

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support

Hi Mary,

You can also access a lot of info and theory on Pete Ramey's website:

http://www.hoofrehab.com/Articles.html

Also check out Paige Poss' site:

http://www.ironfreehoof.com/

She has a lot of info available for purchase as well.

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support

Hi Mary. I did not use videos or books to learn trimming. Because of my learning style, I needed hands on and visual learning, so I attended 5 weeks of intense classroom and hands on trim days and have dissected hoofs to understand why I am trimming a certain way.... I think any trim video should have an in depth discussion of anatomy and physiology of the hoof, thats my humble opinion. Trimming makes more sense when you know what part of the hoof you are affecting and what you can change and not change. I would think that if you reached out to the Pete Ramey website, someone could let you know the content of the video prior to purchasing it. Good luck! Trimming is a journey unlike any other!!! And when you have the hoof in your hands, it is very rewarding to know that you can help your horse! And it builds a bond of trust....I could go on, but thats not what you asked for :)
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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories 
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
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I'll just add that I also enjoyed Pete Ramey's books, too, and Jaime Jackson's dvds and books.  They helped me immensely in learning to trim my horse.  I am also a fan of Hoof Help Online, run by James and Yvonne Welz, they have a subscription plan to access their material but it's very affordable and there's lots there to look at.  Their technique is a bit different than Ramey and Jackson, but they have had incredible success with foundered and navicular horses, too.  It's good to see a variety of 'methods' so you can see the similarities they share and really focus on those core principles when trimming.

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Kirsten Rasmussen

Mary, I do not regret buying the "Under the Horse" dvds.  They are full of invaluable information, and the anatomy part is incredibly important for understanding how to trim.  I'm sure you won't regret it.

However you can also rent Under the Horse, and tonnes of other hoof trimming dvds from Pete Ramey and others, online at:

https://www.giddyupflix.com/search.php

I prefer to own them so I can go back to them over and over again.  :)

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Kirsten Rasmussen

I have Under the Horse and In the Trenches DVD's series. Under the horse has a theory part in the begining that is very helpful, then he trims different hooves, healthy and not healthy. While he trims he doesn't go into a lot of detail around what he is doing and why but he explains a bit and you learn a lot by watching, but that's me. Maybe you know more about trimming and don't get as much out of it.
In the trenches was quite disapointing for my taste. The audio is not good and I don't find you can get much but again my own experience.

What I have found a good learning experience is reading his long detailed posts where he explains very good in detail and watching "under the horse" several times.

María Durán
Madrid, Spain.

Hi 

HI, 
I am interested in doing my own trimming for my mare.  Am considering buying Pete Ramey DVDs, but it is significant expense. I attended Ida Hammer clinic couple years ago and got a lot out of it. Want to know if the Pete Ramey DVDs give practical advice for trimming and not just anatomy and pathology?

And if others taking over their own trimming have found the dvds and books helpful? 
Thanks Mary
Mary and Katie
Chelsea, MI 2013

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Mary%20and%20Katie

 

You can add them directly to Duke's album now.

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support

Praying with/for you both.  <3