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Re: THIN (7MM) SOLES - Considering Vet Recommendation

 

Thank you Dr Kellon.  Navicular views where also taken and showed no problem.  I have been using boots and pads - but only for riding.  Since the onset of the lameness, I have booted fronts with pads for 18 hours per day.  Diet is low sugar/carb and balanced with supplementation as per your teachings.   Alcar (for PSSM), jiagulan (5g/d) and chaste tree berry powder are also included in her daily supplement regime. She is also on daily 4cyte (for joints).  I am confidant I have the diet and supplementation in hand. Her weight is our biggest issue due to lack of the required amount of exercise.  This is very difficult as I work 5 days a week. She currently weighs 508kg and gets up to 8kg of hay/day - on a dry lot.  This is 2% of her ideal weight of 400kg. She is 14hh.

Thank you for the hoof rehab reference.  I will print out for my trimmer.

My vet discussed boots with me and his advice was that boots remove the ability to shorten the breakover - even if hooves are trimmed to do so. 

Dr Kellon - can you comment on that issue? Can boots be cut back?
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Sandra Weston

Joined 6/7/2016

Leeton, NSW, Australia

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Re: Sole hardeners

 

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Re: THIN (7MM) SOLES - Considering Vet Recommendation

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I would suggest:

- Also get navicular views of the front feet
- Forget  shoes and back up the breakover with a bevel. Bevel the whole foot because you have flaring
http://hoofrehab.com/DistalDescent.htm
- Use boots and a compressible pad, or pad and casts if the connections are really poor
- Get diet balanced if it isn't already
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Dr. K


Re: Sole hardeners

Maria Duran
 

Venice Turpentine is popular here for the same purpose. I personally find it dries but in a bad way according to my experience. I used it years ago when I didn´t know what I know now.

María.


Re: Sole hardeners

Maria Duran
 

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 05:54 AM, Daisy Shepherd wrote:
any more info for plus foot spray; i cannot find with that name?  thank you, daisy and tiko

This is the composition Benzalkonium Chloride, Formol, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate. I keep loving it. It is very easy to use, inexpensive and is working wonderfully for us.


THIN (7MM) SOLES - Considering Vet Recommendation

 

My QH IR/PSSM mare Capri has always had a choppy gait.  She has been barefoot since I got her about 9 years ago.  She has become lame recently- appearing to be in the shoulder but after several myofunctional therapy sessions, my therapist recommended xrays be taken to determine if the problem was originating in the feet.  Her xrays have been uploaded - I think I have doubled up and I can't work out how to delete.  The films don't identify individual feet unfortunately but front and back are obvious.  The measurements indicate a 7 - 8 mm sole depth.

This is my farriers recommendation:

Shoe without toe clips, set shoe slightly back off the toe to reduce breakover. Shoe with no sole
pressure (ie bevel out the inside of the shoe). Using a regular thin synthetic pad on all four feet
will help to protect the thin soles. If the desired improvement isn’t achieved within the first
shoeing cycle then sole pack is another alternative that can be used at the next shoeing.
Aim is to grow some more sole over time and hopefully the pads will only be required for the
next 2-3 shoeing cycles.

I've had my horses barefoot for so long I am totally out of touch with shoeing options and I feel reluctant to go down this path - but I am wondering if it might be worth a go for 6 months or so.  

I would appreciate some qualified advice or recommendations.

Thanking you in anticipation.
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Sandra Weston

Joined 6/7/2016

Leeton, NSW, Australia

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  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandra%20and%20Capri

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Re: Sole hardeners

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Venice Turpentine is an old stand-by that works fine and is inexpensive, esp. compared to many of the fancier products on the market today. It's a plain sole toughener that doesn't contain other ingredients for coating, protecting and/or treating bacterial/fungal infections that can be a part of why the horse is tender footed.

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support


Re: Sole hardeners

 

I hesitate mentioning this because no one else has and it may be an absolute no-no these days.  Years ago, before there were lots of ‘products’ for this, we used to use Venice Turpentine.  I don’t know what it is or how it works but I would guess as some sort of drying agent.  I used it once for a horse that I wanted to transition from shoes to barefoot.
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Martha in Vermont
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)
July 2012

 
 
 


Re: Sole hardeners

Daisy Shepherd
 

any more info for plus foot spray; i cannot find with that name?  thank you, daisy and tiko


Re: Sole hardeners

Maria Duran
 

Hi Bobbie,

I don´t know to be honest. Maybe you can try a search on Google to see what is available in your area. Where are you from? Or maybe in Amazon.

If you don´t find it, I believe the closest thing is Keratex Hoof Hardener suggested here.


Re: Sole hardeners

Bobbie Day
 

Marie
Is that something that is only available in your area?
I would like to give it a try
Bobbie


Re: Jiaogulan dose

suzy zarek
 

Thank you Lavinia. The file link is very helpful!
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Suzy Nebraska 2019


Re: Sole hardeners

Maria Duran
 

Just to inform that I am loving Plusfoot spray. I had used it 4 times in alternating days and I am amazed at how I feel the sole and the frog. They look stronger, the sole and the frog stopped falling apart with the classical cholky appearance and the frog looks much more like it should.

I believe it is working as I expected by drying excess humidiy so I will space the applications very soon and keep it only when needed.

Cindy, no answer from Hoof Armor dealer.


Re: Uneven hoof development

Maria Duran
 

Thank you very much Lavinia.

I will pay more attention knowing this. I believe his case is medial wall more upright but if almost all horses load more weight at either medial or lateral side, why are not all hooves showing this distorted form?

I think I am going to take some pics on tuesday so that you can see it.

Thank you.


Re: Uneven hoof development

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Maria,

Depends on the individual horse. Some things to consider:
  - lateral wall is flared so sole appears wider to compensate
  - medial heel run further forward, twisting hoof capsule laterally
  - medial-lateral imbalances
  - entire hoof capsule has shifted laterally
  - medial wall more upright, which is common and will make the entire medial side of the foot narrower
  - everything is as it should be and that is correct for that horse/hoof

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support


Uneven hoof development

Maria Duran
 

Hi all!

Do you know what´s the reason for an uneven hoof development when you see it from it´s sole view? When I pick up the hoof (it is a hind one and barefoot) and divide it in a straight line from the center of the heel bulbs longitudinally to the toe, the sides left at each side of this line are not equal. The sole area in medial is much more smaller than the one in the lateral side.

I hope I managed to explain this correctly.

Thank you!

María Durán
Madrid, Spain.


Re: Jiaogulan dose

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

The dose for Jiaogulan is "to effect" - whatever it takes to turn the gums/tongue a deeper pink/red. See the file here:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/filessearch?q=jiaogulan

I believe you are confusing Alcar (which we were discussing in a recent post) with jiaogulan.

HPA = hoof-pastern axis

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support


Re: Pete Ramey DVDS

suzy zarek
 

Mary I have Under the Horse DVD's I would be happy to give you. Send me your address if you would like them.
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Suzy Nebraska 2019


Jiaogulan dose

suzy zarek
 

Is the dose for Jiaogulan 1g for 100lbs or 1g for 500lbs? 
Also I haven't had as much time as I would like to look at posts from this group. What I have seem on hoof advice looks great. The terminology is different from what I am use to but have figured most of it out, except HPA. What does HPA stand for?
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Suzy Nebraska 2019


Re: Need advice please re Savannah’s Jan 22 trim photos

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

That's strange customs held it so long, Pat.  I've been getting vitE,  jiaogulan and just recently ALCAR from my best horse (4 separate orders over the last year) and I find it takes about 2 weeks.  Maybe you had a bad 1-off experience with customs delays?   I hope it's faster this time!

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Kirsten Rasmussen
Kitimat, BC, Canada

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