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Easy boot Clouds pads

Patti SoCal 2020
 

I have 3 of the blue inserts for the Easy Boot Clouds, size 3. If anyone can use them, I’d be glad to send them to you.
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Patti. SoCal 2020


Re: Looking for trimmer near Orange/Culpeper Va

Griffin Keller
 

Honestly I don't know! :P  I'll have to ask him next time he's hear if they are related.

Jarred is his name - he came into our lives after a prior farrier kept laming Sully with hot nails, etc. We've only once had a "bad nail" in two years and it was one that pulled out that got stuck between his shoe and the hoof but as soon as I sent him a text with a pic he came out right away to fix that as Sully is a bit "princess and pea" about it all. lol

My daughter's horse had a set of abscesses from when we brought him home that took 3 months to come out - 2x thru the sole and then finally out the top too!  A year later we have just a small crack that is working it's way out as the last evidence of that ordeal (horse was 3 legging hopping about at times)

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Griffin 

Jan 2018, Charlottesville, VA

Prophecy (IR) Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Griffin%20and%20Prophecy

Prophecy (IR) Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=17115

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Sully (PPID) Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=274313 :


Re: Looking for trimmer near Orange/Culpeper Va

jmc
 

Griffin - is that Chip Langston? or maybe a son? When I lived in Aldie, VA, I was using Chip for my horse, and he was awesome. I'd had to fire my previous farrier, not for doing a bad job, but for not being reliable, which ended up being the same thing as Yankee ended up with overgrown feet and underrun heels due to that farrier not showing up for two months (Yankee's feet grew super fast back then) :(


Re: Looking for trimmer near Orange/Culpeper Va

Griffin Keller
 

I'm not too far from you, my farrier is based out of Madison area and I know he goes to Orange.
Langston Farrier - he has always been very willing to list & learn with me. I introduced him to composite shoes and now he's bought a few pair from me to try on other horses. 
https://www.westwoodfarms.net/farrier.html

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Griffin 

Jan 2018, Charlottesville, VA

Prophecy (IR) Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Griffin%20and%20Prophecy

Prophecy (IR) Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=17115

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Looking for trimmer near Orange/Culpeper Va

amy in VA
 

Hi
I've been trimming my 3 horses for the past 3 years but would like someone to do 2 of them for me. I plan on keeping on doing my riding horse (IR PPID) recovered founder from 2020.
Mainly 'cause the farrier I recently tried, disregarded my directions to leave their soles alone. Now 2 weeks later my boy has an abscess. In 3 years of trimming them, 1 is a TB with thin soles and my mare previously foundered, and my boy, nobody got sore or abscessed. So I want a farrier who will listen to me!!! Any recommendations?
Thanks
Amy in Va
2005


Re: Best painkiller for stiffness/trimming

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

HI Julia,

Agree with your thoughts.

In this particular case, I believe that this isn't about being sore after trimming but that the horse needs help to be comfortable while the trimming is being done.

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Lavinia
Jan 2005, RI

Moderator/ECIR Support


Re: Best painkiller for stiffness/trimming

Julia Cayla
 

My opinion is that your horse should not be sore after trimming.  Either too much growth between trims and/or the trimmer is taking too much off.
If you could provide before & after pics of hooves we can better give you answers.

In any event, My Best Horse has a product called Mov-Ease which is advertised for improving stiffness.  I give mov-ease to my 23 & 25 yr olds.

Julia, NY


Re: Hoof trim examples somewhere?

talley_catherine@...
 

Thanks, Lavinia. I took the toe back with the nippers and beveled to the white line (so not right through it because of the think sole) and the horses (I have 2 that I did today) ended up with the breakover just in front of the callus. Didn't take any sole. Visually that it took it back quite a way and appeared to also change the HPA for the better. They were a tiny bit sore so I put boots on them. (I have had farriers trimming them forever and they never got the toes back this far. Hence the issues I have had with pedal bone remodelling in one, and a mechanical laminitis in the other, plus low palmar/plantar angles)

I am unsure how often / much I need to do this? When do I know it is far enough? Do I aim for 50:50 balance of the foot? Should I re x-ray? We are in autumn now so hoof growth is slowing, plus it is very wet underfoot. Unsure when to add the jiaogulan?

I assume that this in itself will help increase the sole depth, although I have read that Pete Ramey says some horses will callus at about 12mm and that is "normal" for them? These two are about 12mm on xray, but that was also with too long toes so perhaps I will be able to get them improved from that. I am trying to get work boots for them so I can increase the exercise.

Thanks for your help.
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Cathy
Saskia (and 6 other horses!)

NSW, Australia
Joined Jan 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=271799
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cathy%20and%20Saskia/Saskia_Case%20History_Jan%2021%202022.pdf

 


Re: Hoof trim examples somewhere?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

HI Cathy,

Yes, you can/need to back thru the white line in order to get better hoof dynamics, even when the sole is thin. If you don't go back thru where that line appears to be, you'll never actually move the breakover back to where the bony column needs it to be.

With thin soles, you may need to not back as far thru the "white line" at ground level at each trim - so doing less more frequently works really well.

The white line is a seam between the wall lamina and the sole that starts at the perimeter of the coffin bone, then grows down toward the ground. It stretches forward with the sole and wall as they move forward. When you back thru where it appears at ground level and then bevel the underside of the sole in the toe region at the new location, you'll find the white line behind the new location of the end of the toe. With thin soles, do NOT touch the soles behind the new toe length at all: even if they are lumpy or uneven, flaky, exfoliating just leave them that way as that horse needs every millimeter it has at that point in time. Sole depth doesn't necessarily increase evenly across it's entire surface - many times, it adds depth in the areas most critically in need of it, which can appear as thicker/lumpier areas.

You can add jiaogulan to help increase growth rate once the trim is correct.

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Lavinia
Jan 2005, RI

Moderator/ECIR Support


Hoof trim examples somewhere?

talley_catherine@...
 

Hi Everyone,

Is there a video I can find somewhere that shows Bowker's approach to long toes / underrun heels? ie. Backing through the white line?

Can this be done when the soles are thin? Is this the only way to get the toe back or would weekly trims to the white line achieve the same?
What about the heels and heel flares? 

I have Pete Ramey's book and videos and have watched Dr Bowker in several interviews on the long toe, underrun heel but just would love to see a video of what it looks like to take the toe back through the white line. Thanks for any help,
Cathy


(Diet is good, just growing hoof out but need to improve sole depth and get toe back a bit more and develop caudal foot. Using boots and treating thrush but the conditions are very wet which is not helping much)
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Cathy
Saskia (and 6 other horses!)

NSW, Australia
Joined Jan 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=271799
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cathy%20and%20Saskia/Saskia_Case%20History_Jan%2021%202022.pdf

 


Re: Online trimming course certificate

Maria Duran
 

I will investigate, thank you very much Diann.


Re: Online trimming course certificate

 

Maria, try progressivehoofcare.org
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Diann Kuzma
One Hoof at a Time
PHCP Practitioner
Joined 2018


Re: New Horse Hoof question

Kandace Krause
 

If I didn't already, thank you Jean.
This response of yours gave me the right questions to ask of the vet and helped me decide on how to proceed.
Kandace K

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Kandace K
Rocky Mountains Alberta


Re: New Horse Hoof question

Kandace Krause
 

Thank you,
All the information plus a talk with the inspecting vet has decided me to pass on this opportunity.  But the knowledge is priceless going forward.

Kandace K

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Kandace K
Rocky Mountains Alberta


Re: Online trimming course certificate

Maria Duran
 

Hi Diann,

Thank you very much for the help. I entered the PHCP website and searched for it but there are no results found in Spain. Maybe it is not updated.

Anyway, I believe I know who he is, it is a very well known person, but he doesn´t provide full courses or accreditations and is 6 hours driving from me. I don´t intend to work as a trimmer in any way but because I trim a mare from a friend and I have done several courses, I would like to complete my education more and added to this get a certification to support the learning.

In Spain trimming and nutrition are not regulated so it is important to have something that says you are not practicing without some knowlegde. There is a school for trimmers 1 h near to me but I don´t like how they work.

Thank you very much.

Maria.


Re: Best painkiller for stiffness/trimming

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Short term, targeted use of bute/banamine is perfectly fine unless the horse is extremely sensitive to it for some reason. Equioxx is a lot more expensive and is easily overdosed, unless you use the paste. It also doesn't clear the bloodstream for over 24 hours.

If the bute works to help her thru the trim session, there is no reason not to use it.

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Lavinia
Jan 2005, RI

Moderator/ECIR Support


Re: New Horse Hoof question

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

In addition to the info that Jean provided, a club foot is a response to problems further up the leg. In order to attempt to normalize it, you need to find the underlying cause and correct that first. Just trimming the foot to "normal" proportions is not the answer.

It is also possible that the horse isn't actually club footed but has been trimmed into that hoof configuration. Many horses will develop slight differences in the feet, which may be from an injury or just postural differences. Those can be exacerbated by then trimming the slightly more upright foot into an even more upright stance, while allowing the opposite foot to become extremely low, wide and underrun. Each foot should be addressed to keep it as balanced as possible at all times.

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Lavinia
Jan 2005, RI

Moderator/ECIR Support


Re: New Horse Hoof question

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Kamdace,

You need to create a signature on each individual group as they don't carry over.

Here's the link to your member page for this group:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/member/11265764

Scroll down to the signature box, add your name, year of joining and general location, then scroll to the bottom of the page and click Save.

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Lavinia
Jan 2005, RI

Moderator/ECIR Support


Re: Best painkiller for stiffness/trimming

Josephine Trott
 

HI Amy

You could try using Previcox/Equioxx instead. They’re the same compound as each other and less inclined to give horses stomach ulcers compared with bute. Previcox is the dog version and much cheaper than equinox for the same amount of active compound but some horse vets won’t prescribe you the dog version

Josie
Davis CA 11/09


Re: Online trimming course certificate

 

I just saw you are in spain.  There is a PHCP person there.  Not sure where he lives.

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Diann Kuzma
One Hoof at a Time
PHCP Practitioner
Joined 2018

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