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Re: Trimming

Chris Hanson
 

I’m hoping to do between trim toe rasping, at least as long as I have access to my current trimmer who I like.
Does anyone know somewhere I can see video or description of this task?
I am planning to get Ida Hammer’s manual to start with, but am not finding anything on between trim touch ups other than articles saying it’s a good thing to do.
Chris


Re: Comfortmix hoof pad

Maria Duran
 

Thank you Mary for sharing it. We are trying resin shoes.

I had totally forgotten that I promised to share my experience with alginate. Well, alginate alone was not a good option for doing the molds, it is an easily breakable gum with poor properties for this work, so I remembered I had a good resin for taking molds from my former years working as art restorer and that worked amazingly well.

I have sent the pics of the molds and the resin shoes to Lavinia for uploading, the shoes you are going to see are made with Super Fast from Vettec, but it is even better with Adhere, same commercial brand. It gives more flexibility to the shoe.

Thank you!


Re: Comfortmix hoof pad

Mary M.
 

meant "mare has thin soles" not mary though maybe i do too :)
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Mary Marzec, Chelsea MI, 2012
Mary/Katie Case HIstory


Re: Comfortmix hoof pad

Mary M.
 

My mary has thin soles and i am using Versa glue on shoes. Easy to apply because the horse can stand on the shoe while you apply the glue. And you dont have to have bottom of hoof hermetically clean like other glue on shoes. No glue goes on bottom.  I wanted something that would provide support for back of foot, unlike traditional open heeled shoes. My first set lasted almost 3 weeks. There is a bit of learning curve to applying them, but not hard. I dont want to advise anyone as i dont know the specifics of your horse. But thought i would mention it, if you want to look into it. They are made by Easy Care. 
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Mary Marzec, Chelsea MI, 2012
Mary/Katie Case HIstory


Re: Reasons for coffin bone infection

Maria Duran
 

Thank you Dr. Kellon,

I am aware, I will do it as soon as I have all the details. It is from a case about to enter and still don´t have all the info, so just wanted to know if there are known diseases that are already known to lead to this to work in advance. For expample, just as we know IR can lead to laminitis or piroplasmosis leads to muscle wasting and lethargy, I was hoping an answer kind of, the following diseases or plants can cause laminitis and/or end up in hoof infections if not treated.

I know...haha don´t say it. I will post when I have the details.

Thank you.


Re: Reasons for coffin bone infection

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

You need to back up here and put up a DETAILED history, including all laboratory work, horse details, diet details and send radiographs to Lavinia to post. There is no where near enough information to answer you.
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Dr. K


Re: Best hoof stand

Sue Ring
 

I second Hoof Jack!!!


Re: Best hoof stand

 

Hoofjack 110%  !
 
Ellen
Alabama
 


Re: Reasons for coffin bone infection

Maria Duran
 

Hi Lavinia,

What a pity that pics can´t be posted here straight away. There were both capsular and P3 rotation but now only P3, heels keep being too high IMO but toe has been removed.

Is there any recommended antibiotic specifically adequate for osteomyelitis in P3 infections? How many cycles of regional perfusion are recommended or expected to be enough?

Do you know of any pathology that can be causing this like Lyme or something alike? I am not familiar with Lyme as it is not common here. What other kind of systemic infection could be going on with no obvious ill symptoms but the hoof infection?
 
Thank you very much for your help.


Re: Reasons for coffin bone infection

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Oral antibiotics aren't very useful for infections in the hoof as the concentration of medication just doesn't get high enough. Regional Limb Perfusion is usually the better route, although it can have its own complications. Surgically debriding the area may be necessary. If there are draining tracts to the outside, sterile maggots can be used.

If there was ongoing abscessing from the initial laminitis (or more damage from ongoing, sub-clinical laminitic episodes) then there could be necrotic bone that developed, which could lead to osteomyelitis. Abscesses don't always show up clearly on radiographs and don't always leave a clear sign when they drain.

Is the rotation bony column, capsular or both? Whichever the case, that needs to be corrected so that mechanical forces aren't contributing to the problems.

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Lavinia
Jan 2005, RI

Moderator/ECIR Support


Reasons for coffin bone infection

Maria Duran
 

Hi all,

There is a horse with P3 infection, bone loss and rotation (right front hoof). I can imagine only a few reasons why a horse would get an infection within the hoof. He didn´t step on a nail, hygiene is good, no former abscesses, no PPID or IR...

Do you know which pathologies or conditions could lead to coffin bone infection? he had affected both front hooves initially by laminitis, but only the right one is still giving problems with infection and rotation and vets don´t know the origin of this. Only knowing the cause the horse can be cured.

My other question is if in coffin bone infections systemic antibiotics are or any help or perfusion is the best approach.

Thank you very much.

Maria Duran
Madrid, Spain.


Best hoof stand

amy in VA
 

Hi
Any recommendations for a hoof stand? 
Thanks!
Amy in Va
2005


Trim advice

Jean
 

Maybe someone in this group can offer some constructive feedback.
I have reached out to the main group twice.
I will be trimming horses again this weekend and would like trim advice. maybe a bit beyond that now since last trim was 07/25

Thank you
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https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jean%20and%20Merlin
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273256


Re: White Line bruising

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Merle,

It's been a while since you last posted. This should really be posted to the main group unless you have testing showing he is NOT IR. Rather young for PPID to be an issue.

It is possible the cause is smoldering, sub-clinical laminitis or it could be mechanics. You need blood work to parse that out: non-fasting insulin and glucose. We are moving into seasonal rise, so if he is IR that will only become worse. Remission is only expensive magnesium and whether you need it or not depends on the hay analysis. Sparse or heavily overgrazed grass can be extremely high in sugar, which will be dangerous for an EMS/IR individual. Unfortunately, TC Lite is not safe and alfalfa can be problematic as it makes some horses foot sore.

For safety's sake, put him on the emergency diet and get the blood work pulled:

https://www.ecirhorse.com/DDT+E-diet.php

https://www.ecirhorse.com/treatment-EMS.php

Whether he needs to be off grass or not will depend on what his insulin level is. You can prevent him from consuming grass by using a sealed grazing muzzle, should that be necessary.

Set up a Case History file for him and add hoof photos into an album on the Case History sub-group if you'd like to get trim feedback to help rule in/out mechanical issues:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory

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Lavinia
Jan 2005, RI

Moderator/ECIR Support


White Line bruising

M K
 

My horse will be 8 y/o in Sept.  He has recently developed bruising of the white line this spring/summer. He was just trimmed on June 25th and the farrier found the bruising in all 4 feet. The horse in not tender nor lame and the farrier stated this is caused by insulin and advised the horse is at risk of laminitis.

My horse is in a small bermuda grass paddock, which stays eaten down to the nub always because it is so small (approx 1/4 acre).  He is not overweight. He has a round bale of coastal bermuda hay free choice. I also feed 1.5 Lb of Triple Crown Lite with 1.5 Lb of Stanlee Alfalfa/Timothy pellets in 2 feedings daily.  Since the bruising was first noted, I added Remission. He also gets Vit E, 2 T salt, 1 cup of ground flax, 2 T chia seeds and MSM daily.;

What would be recommended to hopefully prevent laminitis in terms of feed changes?

The stable has no option but small paddocks, there is no barn, no stalls. Cannot be removed from grass.


Desperate for a new farrier - how to find one?

Alysoun Mahoney
 

Hi everyone --

I've had a number of exchanges in the main forum about my horse Charlie, a 13yo OTTB I've had since 2016, who was diagnosed with laminitis/founder on June 7, 2022. I've received tons of good advice -- but I increasingly fear that it will all be for naught if I don't find a new farrier asap -- and am hoping for ideas about how to find one.

When I lived in VA, my first farrier was excellent, and a trainer of other farriers. When she moved to AZ and I moved to MD, she referred me to one of her students. My horses had healthy hooves throughout those years.

When I was preparing to move to my current home in south central PA in early 2021, I of course asked my previous farriers for referrals, but they didn't have any. I asked my vet, but the only person they gave me at the time was not taking new clients.

The first farrier who trimmed Charlie (and his then-two herd mates) I found through the American Farriers Association website -- but he didn't leave enough height in Charlie's hoof from the heel through the toe pillars, so Charlie was walking on his soles for two months until his hooves grew out. The second farrier I found through a local equestrian FB group, and was recommended by many. Things seemed to be going well for a year, until Charlie foundered -- and the feedback I'm getting indicates that Charlie needs more expertise than she has.

I reached out to my current vet again, since they now know how serious this is. They have given me three other names -- but as of this writing, the only one of the three who has responded with availability does not seem to have professional credentials, and did not seem to appreciate the gravity of the situation. 

I have received great feedback from Daisy Bicking, who was recommended by several in this group -- and it turns out she has trained and worked with my first two farriers. So my dream is for her to be my farrier -- and she is trying to figure out if she can make it work -- but she is in high demand and I don't know as of this writing whether it will work with the short timeframe I have.

Are there any other sources I can turn to, to hire a properly qualified farrier? Given that Charlie was last trimmed on June 2, and given the current state of his hooves, I fear he only has a couple weeks' window before this could turn into a life-threatening situation. The farrier I've been using for the last year has me on her calendar for July 5, but I'm afraid she may do more harm than good if she trims him again.

Hoof photos, x-rays and more in my case history folder and photo album.

Thank you!!!


Alysoun M in PA
2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alysoun%20and%20Charlie
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275965


Re: Angle grinders

Maxine McArthur
 


Re: Angle grinders

Michele Einarson
 

what disc do you use on the Proxxon?
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Michele & Mosey
Feb 2019
Reno, NV, USA


Re: Comfortmix hoof pad

Maria Duran
 

Hi Josie,

Thanks a lot for your help and giving me options. If the Cavallo and my idea don´t work, I will llok into these options. I have spent a few minutes in the Formahoof and I am amazed. It is a very good idea, the only thing is I guess it doesn´t allow for frequent small trims, but definitely something to have in the tools kit, although it is quite expensive.

Thank you so much.


Re: Comfortmix hoof pad

Maria Duran
 

Hi Kirsten,

Thank you very much for your detailed explanation, I can totally understand it. The DIM I have purchased is only alginate to mix with water but I believe it ends up being very similar. 

I am guessing the farrier didn´t do a good job with the casts as when he finished, I thought it looked weird even not knowing how it should be done, but didn´t look workable.

I have received the boots, they are the cavallo treck sorry, I said Equine fusion. Lets see if these are more kind with her and anyway I am going to try the resin shoes, so will let you know.

Thank you!

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