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Re: X rays

Kelly
 

Thank you for the info. The farrier likes to  use some kind of Metron computer program with digital rads, but if I can get the info I need from a properly taken film xray, I think I will go that route. 

Kelly and Buddy 
2014 Illinois 



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Re: Looking for some handholding after a change in trimmer...

Josephine Trott
 

Hi Katrina,

So without looking at photos I imagine the trimmer has removed the walls from ground contact and your youngster has developed inflammation from the pressure on the soles. Can you get him/her into padded boots or even tape on styrofoam (instructional video here http://www.shopedss.com/products/EDSS-Styrofoam-Support-Pad.html) and onto deep shavings/sand? I find J-herb (jiaogulan) is very helpful to resolve these kinds of hoof inflammation - I assume he/she has developed hoof pulses in all four? J-herb should help that. If Blitz has no metabolic issues then a couple of days of bute might help (if you have any) as well as ice hoof baths (fill something like a davis soaking boot with ice and put the foot in and let Blitz hang out for 30-60 min until the ice melts, twice a day for a couple of days).

Best
josie
Davis CA 06/09


Re: Gatsby

Jane Young <Janemckeen@...>
 

Lorna

Thank you!
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Jane

Kingston, ON

Mar 17


Re: Looking for some handholding after a change in trimmer...

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Katrina,

Sorry to hear your youngster is so uncomfortable. While waiting for you to be able to get the photos sent, I'd advise putting boots and pads on Blitz (if this hasn't been done already). If you don't have boots+pads, use some anti-fatigue matting cut to the shape of his feet and duct tape/vet wrap it on securely.

Once you have the photos labeled, please email them to:  Hoof+owner@ECIR.groups.io

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Lavinia

Moderator/EC Support


Re: Looking for some handholding after a change in trimmer...

LeeAnne Bloye <ecir.archives@...>
 

Hi Katrina,

You can email me directly (link in my signature) about your photos.  There is no way to re-name photos on an iPad >:-/ but we still need you to help us with the naming pattern to be used so that the support team can easily find the photos they need in your album. 

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LeeAnne,
Newmarket, Ontario. 

ECIR Archivist March, 2004
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Looking for some handholding after a change in trimmer...

Casey76
 

Hi everyone,

I'm looking for a little hand holding after a change of trimmer.  It is 4 days after the second trim, and my youngster remains extremely sore.  My trimmer said that he was applying a more severe trim than the first one on 18 Feb, and has left Blitz totally weight baring on the frog and sole.


Unfortinately I'm trying to email from an iPad, and I can't name the photos so it's difficult to identify which ones belong to the same foot.  I'll have to wait until I'm at work tomorrow to have access to a PC


(just to clarify, Tartine is my potential IR mare, Blitz is my youngster who has no metabolic issues ;) )

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Katrina

Mar 2017, Alsace, France

Tartine Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Katrina%20and%20Tartine

Tartine Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=4725


Re: Fine at trim, sore a few days later Orion

Tori Cullins
 

Alrighty, clear enough - clearer than coronary bands for sure. Off to trim the boots (toes first). Thank you!
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Tori and Orion

April 2015, Eagle Point, Oregon

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tori%20and%20Orion

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=808



Re: CleanTrax

Stephanie Stout
 

Thanks for sending the link to the other solution, Jessica. Sounds like the Clean Trax boots aren't going to work for my horse - he is very patient, but with his sore hoof he isn't too fond of standing still for a long time. 

Lavinia, what boots do you have? And, any recommendations on where would I find a heavy duty plastic bag big enough? 

Thanks all! This is super helpful. 

Stephanie & King
October 2014
Oregon
Case History 




Re: Fine at trim, sore a few days later Orion

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Tory,

The photo angles you added are fine. Thanks for getting most of the feathers out of the way - it helps. Looking better, toes still need to come back more. Unfortunately, still can't see the actual coronary bands - he's a hairy little bugger, isn't he :)

I've added some photos of hoof boots with approximate hoof breakover vs. boot breakover to the files:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/album?id=4740

One is a cutaway of a boot with the hoof inside it.

To test your boots, remove the pad and place the hoof standing on it on the ground. Trace the front of the hoof onto the pad, then place the pad back into the boot. The boot itself is going to be further ahead of the where the pad ends plus much thicker - need to account for both of those when placing the break over.
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Lavinia

Moderator/EC Support


Re: X rays

Josephine Trott
 

Hi Kelly
The main advantage of digital X-rays is that you can immediately see if it's any good and delete and retake if crappy. I've had old fashioned ones done on my horse and as long as the set up is correct (I know there has to be a file on the groups site describing what barium markers to put where on the feet) and the horse stands still for the shots, the old fashioned will tell you what you need to know. But don't neglect the proper set up to get all the information you need. ie top of coronet band on front hoof wall, angle of front hoof wall and I put markers (push pins) at the tip of the frog, in the central sulcus and at the rear weight bearing point
Others can give you better details about markers (or it's in the files)
Josie

Have a great day!


Re: X rays

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Kelly,

"Old-school" xray films are fine for what you need as long as they are taken properly. Poor technique sabotages any xray, regardless of the technology involved. Angle of the view, exposure and marking of the dorsal wall/tip of frog are key parameters. For more in-depth info, read the "Getting Good xrays" pdf. before having them done so you get the most out of the money you spend:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/files/X-Rays%20and%20Radiographs/Getting%20Good%20Xrays.pdf

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Lavinia

Moderator/EC Support


Re: CleanTrax

larockj@...
 

If interested, these are the instructions I followed for determining how much Oxine AH to mix with water and activating agent:

http://www.hoof-smart.com/2010/07/02/hoof-care/treat-and-prevent-hoof-infections-with-oxine-ah/


Jessica & Mimi

NY June 2015

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20and%20Mimi



Re: CleanTrax

larockj@...
 

I have used CleanTrax and just about everything else out there to battle WLD (white line disease). 

Oxine AH works just as well, is a lot cheaper than CleanTrax, and is extremely effective.  You can get it at Amazon.  One gallon costs $25, and it will last many months, if not years.  You'll also need an activator such as vinegar or citric acid, which Amazon also sells (I used citric acid).

Both CleanTrax and Oxine AH are excellent at infiltrating the hoof, and any deep holes you may have.  If the holes are large enough, you'll want to dig out any dirt or manure, do the soak, then stuff them with cotton after treatment.  This will keep dirt and manure out until the next cleaning.  I also put a dab of oily ointment on the outside just to waterproof it.

I was able to completely resolve an old abscess hole that literally went from the coronet band all the way down to the sole, just by soaking with Oxine AH every few days over many months.  This was a large hole that any vet would have said required resectioning.  With Oxine AH, we didn't have to do that, and it healed fine once the hoof grew out.

As far as boots, yes you can use used large saline IV bags that you might be able to get from your vet.  But I found the bottoms ripped fairly quickly, especially if there were any tiny pebbles in the stall. It was frustrating because I would lose all the solution, and have to start all over from scratch.

I used the CleanTrax soaking boots which are very sturdy and have never leaked.  But they're tricky, because the base is large, and a horse can step on them with the other foot and pull the boot off the foot.  So I used bungie cords to hook two front boots, up and over the back/withers.  I added pads (like thick leg wraps) to keep the bungie cords from chafing the withers or back.  Then I'd wrap duct tape around the ankles to try to keep the base as small as possible. 

This works best with a horse who will stand quietly eating their hay - not so much with a horse who will fidget.  Best to go with a narrower boot for a fidgety horse!


Jessica & Mimi

NY June 2015

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20and%20Mimi



Re: CleanTrax

Valletta Lochridge
 

Rego is a draft cross with huge feet so my choices were limited.  I use the stepnsoak 911 but it's not very durable.  Lots more choices for smaller feet!

Valletta and Rego in CA
Jan 2012


Re: Gatsby

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Jane,


Not Josie, but if you add Aloe Juice, a good source is Walmart. They have 4-litre jugs, at good price.


Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada

ECIR Moderator 2002


Re: Gatsby

Jane Young <Janemckeen@...>
 

Hi Josie

I am not currently treating him for ulcer, it's on my list of possible problems. I was thinking of adding aloe to his diet. Do you have recommendations?

He saw the trimmer last night and I will post  photos of his 'new' hooves later today. 

He also has a chiropractic appointment scheduled for April 11th. 



Re: Fine at trim, sore a few days later Orion

Tori Cullins
 

Wow, just when I think I may have a grasp on understanding the hoof/horse... This group is indispensable, thank you Lavina. New pics are up. They always seem so much nicer on the phone... New Clouds bought today, he is two sizes smaller than when we started - they fit well. I'm thinking breakover they came with is OK, maybe more rounded at edge? Pad wedges shaved flat. His comfort level is noticeably better, poor guy (in wedges)! Trimmer coming back this Saturday (March 25th). Let me know if any photos need a redo, will get right on it. I got the feathers out of the way, may not be enough.... I also think I noticed a couple angles were missing, will recheck that. 
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Tori and Orion

April 2015, Eagle Point, Oregon

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tori%20and%20Orion

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=808



X rays

Kelly
 

Hello, 

I am thinking of getting lateral xrays on my 9 yr old Paint, Buddy due to his continued long toe, under-run heel/frequent abscess  issues.  My farrier informed me that he probably wouldn't be able to get much info from old-school film xrays that my local vet takes. He seemed to imply that I would be wasting my money if I couldn't find someone to take digital rads. Do you agree?  I'm on a budget and don't want to waste money.

Thanks,

Kelly and Buddy (hope my auto signature works)

2014 Illinois


Re: CleanTrax

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Valletta,

Per the company, you don't need boots - can use tall, heavy duty plastic bags to accomplish the same thing. Just tape them shut at the top once you pour the solution in.

I do have the boots as well - they have come in handy for normal soaking of feet to draw out abscesses because you can put them on and let the horse wander around instead of having to stand still with its foot in a bucket for 20 minutes while you hover around making sure the bucket doesn't get tipped over.
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Lavinia

Moderator/EC Support


Re: CleanTrax

Stephanie Stout
 

Hi Valletta,

Thanks for replying. Which soaking boot do you use, and would you purchase it again or not?

Thanks, 

Stephanie & King
October 2014
Oregon
Case History 



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