Hoping to get advice with regards to how Savannah’s trims are going.  We must be doing something wrong. Still very underrun and never seems to be any improvement. Can’t seem to bring the heels back after all this time.  Soles are VERY thick (over an inch at the toe). Toes are kept very short but never grow down at proper angle. Seem to always grow forward instead of down.  Frogs are very narrow and not wide across heels and stretched very forward almost to tip of toe. No laminitic lines visible. White line can’t be seen from underside where it’s supposed to be. Can only see whiteline from looking straight on from front of toe.  What’s up with that? It does look tight though. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Trimmer didn’t take pics standing on board this time so hope you can still see what I mean. If necessary I can take more pics. 
She’s been sore on and off almost all winter.  Boots and leg warmers on most of the time. Gas and loose manure have also been a problem although her “tested” hay has been from the same supplier. I increased her pergoloide to compensate for winter rise, but I think pain affects her appetite which keeps her from eating her required meds and Mad Barn minerals (which she’s never liked). 
I just received an email from a member whose horse lost this battle yesterday.  She’ll probably post the sad news to ECIR Group when she can come to grips with the agony she’s going through. It’s the long journey of hope ending. Such emptiness.  Loneliness.  Silence.  My heart aches for her.  

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Pat and Savannah

Hi Pat,

Frustrating for both you and Savannah, I'm sure, as you've done so much to help her get better. Because Savannah is PPID/IR all discussions regarding her should remain on the main group - including hoof ones. Please post a quick note on the man group that includes a link to her photos and I can take a look for you.

Her frogs aren't wider and healthier because she isn't landing heel first, so isn't developing them. They are narrow and long because they have migrated forward with the rest of the foot. The white line is a seam between the wall laminae and the sole which you can't see looking from the front. What you are seeing is likely part of the laminar wedge material. If you can see something that looks like the white line, it's possible the sole has been pulled forward and up by the laminar wedge in the toe.

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support

what are u using for pain? alcar? prevacox? etc


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LJ Friedman San Diego nov 2014

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/LJ%20and%20Jesse

LJ
I dont give anything for pain. Wears boots when required. Jaiagulan BID is all she gets that might help with pain. Bute and Previcox aren’t recommended for IR horses.  
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Pat and Savannah

on main page, where this is going. nsny of us use alcar. with jiagoulan. movease too? id ask for a pain med boost? to add to the jiagoulan??


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LJ Friedman San Diego nov 2014

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/LJ%20and%20Jesse

Can I buy alcar people kind at drug store?  
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Pat and Savannah

Yes, you can use the alcar intended for humans but it's not cost effective or simple. Horse dosing is 1g/100lbs body weight, so for an average 1000lb horse that's 10g.

As it's usually in 500mg capsule form, you'd need to feed at least 20 capsules per day. Better alternative is to purchase the powder. It dissolves almost instantly in water, so makes it easy to either mix into the food or syringe in if needed. My Best Horse and Bulk Supplements are two good sources for it but don't know about shipping to Canada.

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Lavinia

Moderator/ECIR Support

Thanks Lavinia 
I’ll order some from Best Horse then. I bought my Jiagulan from them but customs held it 9 weeks. 

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Pat and Savannah

That's strange customs held it so long, Pat.  I've been getting vitE,  jiaogulan and just recently ALCAR from my best horse (4 separate orders over the last year) and I find it takes about 2 weeks.  Maybe you had a bad 1-off experience with customs delays?   I hope it's faster this time!

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Kirsten Rasmussen