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Founder RF after heels raised
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toranada
Hi, I'm fairly new to the group and have been doing a lot of reading
here. I have a question and I'm hoping someone might be able to help me. I was wondering if raising my horses heels could have caused him to founder on the RF. My horse was showing a slight limp on his RF, vet blocked the coffin joint, still sore, blocked the heel and he came sound. Vet felt that he had a deep bruise in his heel and recommended raising his heels. My farrier was against it but did as the vet asked and put wedges in. Ghost became increasingly sore over the next few days, farrier came out and removed the wedges and noted that he was walking like he had foundered on RF. Xrays showed he had foundered 8-10 rotation on RF, LF was good. Is it possible that the founder was caused by raising his heels and how come only the RF? It sounds like a silly question but I'm trying to rule things in or out that may have caused him to founder. Thanks in advance............Maureen
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Claire Vale <clairevale@...>
Hi Maureen,
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I'm guessing raising the heels might have contributed to the founder taking place, but that there was probably some issue (most likely sub clinical laminitis) already present that the change in heel height exacerbated. Or it might just be total coincidence and they're totally unrelated <G>. If you haven't done x-rays on the LF as well, it might be a good idea, just to double check that there isn't some rotation in there as well (some horses will founder worse on one foot than the other - usually because one foot was less healthy to begin with). It would make a useful 'base-line as well to compare the RF against. If you're unsure about how to best deal with the rotation, then posting photos of his hooves (following the instructions in the Files section on getting the best shots if possible) and even of the x-rays will allow us to have a look and make some suggestions. Other than that, does he show any signs of Insulin Resistance, Cushing's, or any other metabolic issues? They are most likely the original trigger (this would probably be best discussed on the original list, since this group is intended for hoof related issues only), and you'll need to deal with that in order to make a lasting difference to his feet. Claire Vale New Zealand
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From: ECHoof@... [mailto:ECHoof@...] On Behalf Of toranada Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2007 6:39 p.m. To: ECHoof@... Subject: [ECHoof] Founder RF after heels raised Hi, I'm fairly new to the group and have been doing a lot of reading here. I have a question and I'm hoping someone might be able to help me. I was wondering if raising my horses heels could have caused him to founder on the RF. My horse was showing a slight limp on his RF, vet blocked the coffin joint, still sore, blocked the heel and he came sound. Vet felt that he had a deep bruise in his heel and recommended raising his heels. My farrier was against it but did as the vet asked and put wedges in. Ghost became increasingly sore over the next few days, farrier came out and removed the wedges and noted that he was walking like he had foundered on RF. Xrays showed he had foundered 8-10 rotation on RF, LF was good. Is it possible that the founder was caused by raising his heels and how come only the RF? It sounds like a silly question but I'm trying to rule things in or out that may have caused him to founder. Thanks in advance............Maureen
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---- toranada <toranada@...> wrote:
I was wondering if raising my horses heels could have caused him toRaising heels can induce rotation in a damaged/compromised foot. If the foot is functional, with tight laminar connections, it won't. So, if he's rotated now & wasn't before you had a damaged foot to begin with. If he was rotated before but not lame, then raising the heels can EASILY have caused him to be more sore. This is why we (on this list) recommend lowering heels first. If you lower the heels and the horse becomes more sore you can wedge them back again a little until they improve ... but if you wedge them up first you can cause some problems you didn't have before that are really tough to deal with. -Abby -- --------------------- Abby Bloxsom www.advantedgeconsulting.com
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Jackie <stc4qh@...>
Maureen, I'm certainly not an "expert" but I can tell you about my mare Gacy. May 06 she was diagnosed as being foundered with rotation and some sinking, vet treated her by raising her heels. After several weeks wearing these wedges, she rotated more and eventually went through excruciating coronet abscessing. To top it all off, when the wedges were removed they said nothing more could be done for her other than tendonotomy surgery making her a pasture ornament. Well, I must say I scratched that suggestion and found a natural hoof care trimmer and help from the yahoo groups equine founder and cushings/ir. Jackie and Gacy toranada wrote:
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toranada
--- In ECHoof@..., Abby Bloxsom <dearab@...> wrote:
to If the foot is functional, with tight laminar connections, itfounder on the RF.Raising heels can induce rotation in a damaged/compromised foot. won't. So, if he's rotated now & wasn't before you had a damaged foot to begin with. If he was rotated before but not lame, then raising the heels can EASILY have caused him to be more sore. This is why we (on this list) recommend lowering heels first. If you lower the heels and the horse becomes more sore you can wedge them back again a little until they improve ... but if you wedge them up first you can cause some problems you didn't have before that are really tough to deal with. Thanks everyone for your input. When the vet diagnosed him with a bruised heel I really think it was the onset of laminitis, which he had about with 2 yrs ago. So I guess by raising his heels it caused more damage to the laminar tissue. I should have listened to my farrier, who managed to get Ghost sound again, he hasn't had a sore day since mid May.
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toranada
--- In ECHoof@..., "Claire Vale" <clairevale@...> wrote:
founder taking place, but that there was probably some issue (most likelysub clinical laminitis) already present that the change in heel heighttotally unrelated <G>.I think Ghost was experiencing the onset of laminitis and it wasn't a bruised heel. idea, just to double check that there isn't some rotation in there aswell (some horses will founder worse on one foot than the other -usually because one foot was less healthy to begin with). It would make aunsure about how to best deal with the rotation, then posting photos ofhis hooves (following the instructions in the Files section on gettingthe best shots if possible) and even of the x-rays will allow us tohave a look and make some suggestions.I had both hooves Xrayed and only the RF showed damage. original list, since this group is intended for hoof related issues only),and you'll need to deal with that in order to make a lastingdifference to his feet.Ghost is not IR or Cushings and not overweight but we have addressed the type of feed and hay that he get. Ghost has been sound since mid May thanks to my farrier. I just wanted to find out if raising his heels could have caused the founder, but as I thought it wasn't a bruised heel more likely the onset of laminitis. Thanks.......Maureen Behalf Of toranadareading here. I have a question and I'm hoping someone might be able tohelp me.to founder on the RF.coffin joint, still sore, blocked the heel and he came sound. Vet feltthat he had a deep bruise in his heel and recommended raising hisheels. My farrier was against it but did as the vet asked and put wedgesin. Ghost became increasingly sore over the next few days, farriercame out and removed the wedges and noted that he was walking like hehad foundered on RF. Xrays showed he had foundered 8-10 rotation onRF, LF was good.and how come only the RF?or out that may have caused him to founder.
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