Mud! Looking for solutions


Carolyn L
 

Hi! I know this isn’t hoof trimming related but it’s also not ECOR-related so not sure where the best place to ask this is.

I need to get some relief from the mud for my horses. I’ve looked into the Lifehoof stuff and while it looks great, I am not sure I can afford much of it right now so right now we are thinking geotextile fabric with 4-6” of slag. We have slag in other areas of our property and it holds up well. It is just laid down over raw dirt but for the horse area, we want to place geotextile fabric down then cover it with slag. I’m looking for suggestions on the best geotextile fabric and/or your suggestions on solutions for how to get my horses some relief from the mud. What have you done?

I have 7 horses on a track that is about 1000’ and it is a slick, deep, sticky mess. Tonight we put down 8-10” of straw in the highest, driest place on the property I hopes of giving them some relief but if they do choose to stand in it, it will be buried by tomorrow afternoon.

Thank you for your help. If this should be posted elsewhere, I apologize & ask that you let me know if there another group that I should post it in.

 Carolyn in Utah


Michele Einarson
 

Hi Carolyn:

check out this solution:  crushed rock over geotextile.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXj_OHFrh2E
from U of MN:  https://extension.umn.edu/horse-pastures-and-facilities/managing-mud-horse-farms#constructing-a-high-traffic-pad--1713810

I bought https://versigrid.com/.
it's to be installed over big crushed rock, then filled in with small rock,
but the instructions were bad and my contractor installed it incorrectly.  (big expensive mistake)

Good luck
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Michele & Mosey
Feb 2019
Reno, NV, USA


Carolyn L
 

Thank you, Michele! I will check out the links you provided and heed your advice on the versigrid product :)

I have been told that a better place to post my question is in the ECIR Horsekeeping group so I will post in that subgroup. I didn't know it existed. So much to learn with this ECIR group :)
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Marguerite Junod
 

Hello Carolyn,  we encountered very similar problems on our property.  It was flat, surrounded by mountains, and had a high water table.  Crawdads were a regular sight to be seen.  Siting the barn and surrounding yard were a real challenge.  The solution was putting down 12-15 inches of shale (clay, sandstone and minerals) then compacting it with a dozer.  After that was laid, large gravel, about 3-4 inches thick, then a mix of pea gravel and fines.  We did this for the entire barnyard and adjoining roads.  We did not use geotextile anywhere and our solution has worked for about 9 years.  The shale, if left uncovered, will turn to mud but with the gravel, it has remained stable.  We've had heavy equipment over it, large heavy dump trucks carrying 15 tons of sand, gravel, etc. and have not had any problem.  The horses are all over it with no issues of mud coming through.  The solution offered by UM of draining a site using a pipe and wrapping it also works very well if it is directed to a drainage ditch.  We used this in the area under our "sandbox" that our horses use to roll and nap in.  Overall, the initial expense was worth it and we are eternally grateful to the very experienced and local man that suggested it.  He had an excavating company but lived in this area his entire life so was very familiar with the land and the problems that came with it. 

Marguerite, Allie & Bit
2021
West Virginia


Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Carolyn,

You could probably make a higher dry standing area with some of the ideas you've received here, using a base of cheap fill, compacted larger gravel (3" minus), then fines (sand/pea gravel) on top where they like to loaf or where you feed most of the hay.  A bit of mud is ok as long as they're not in it all the time so I'd focus on an area where you can feed them when conditions are like this.

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Kirsten Rasmussen
Kitimat, BC, Canada


Carrie
 

Hi, I just read your reply to Carolyn regarding your experience with Versigrid. I am still thinking what is best for me to put down here in Uk on clay soil. One of the the top favourites for my husband’s choice are the grids. I’ve been unsure  & reading your comment I wondered if you felt the surface would have worked but for the installation being incorrect. Or maybe it was just not a good horse product footing wise? Hope you don't mind me butting into your posts, I’m just curious to know form your expereince.
Thanks Carrie 


Lesley Fraser
 

Hi Carrie
I haven’t tried them out myself, but the Welsh Pony Rescue & Rehoming Charitable Trust uses mud control mats from https://www.mudcontrol.co.uk/  

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Michele Einarson
 

Re:  Versigrid:
I think the product is worthwhile, but I had difficulty finding installation instructions beyond what the dealer told me and a YouTube video.  Obviously the contractor I hired misunderstood my layman’s explanation and buried the grid under 6 inches of crushed rock.  Versigrid claims to guarantee their product, but if installed incorrectly, I doubt it.
For what it’s worth, the dealer said to place the grid over large 3” crushed rock with minimal fine material, then fill in the grid with smaller crushed rock.  She specifically said “crushed rock” as pea gravel/rounded rock would not stay put.
Hopefully, by now, Versigrid company has improved their instructions.

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Michele & Mosey
Feb 2019
Reno, NV, USA


 

We installed something similar to what you’re looking at 25 years ago and it’s still doing the job. It’s not exactly what I linked to but very similar.  It’s right up next to the barn in a horse loafing area which needs to also stand up to the tractor and farrier’s truck.  Anything on top of the grid seems to get lost with time and the top edge of the grid has been flattened a bit with horses moving around on it.  I have the surface topped up occasionally but rarely.   We had just recently installed an arena so I knew my rocks, stones, gravel, stone dust, both natural and manufactured, quite well.
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Carrie
 

Thanks both Michelle & Lesley for your replies. I’ll take a look at Welsh Mountain set up & your experience Michelle is helpful so thank you for sharing.

Carrie
2021
UK
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Trisha DePietro
 

Hi Carolyn. I tried the geotextile fabric beneath the new surface, but the geo fabric ended up migrating to the top of the material...so after about 1-2 years, the ponies were playing with the fabric and pulling it out of the ground! I think we may have not dug out enough top soil with the original application and so mud still formed under it and with frost heaves, etc....eventually the fabric worked its way up. So, just a thought, be sure you are getting to the hardpan of your area, don't leave any surface topsoils behind. And be sure  your drainage is pointed away from the area that you are trying to fix...you might need a swale or a curtain drain depending on where the area is that you are trying to fix. Hope this helps.
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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
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