Re: Amber Episode


Hi, Nina, and welcome to the list!  I am sorry Shadow had such a scary experience.  It may or may not have had anything to do with the vaccine - what else happened at about the same time as the vaccine?  

How are her numbers? (ACTH, insulin, glucose and leptin).  What is her diet?


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The list philosophy is Diagnosis, Diet, Trim, and Exercise.


Diagnosis is by blood tests: blood should be pulled from a non-fasting horse (or pony) in a quiet barn; blood spun, separated, and frozen or chilled asap, then sent to the lab at Cornell on ice. Ask for insulin, glucose, leptin and ACTH (ACTH is to check for Cushings or PPID - please ask for it if your horse is 9 years or older)


More information here:


and here:



Diet is supremely important, in some ways more for what is not fed: no pasture, sweet feeds, oats/grain, carrots, apples, iron-containing supplements.  Diet consists of grass hay or haylage, with ESC (soluble sugars) and starch of less than 10%, plus minerals balanced to the forage, plus vitamin E, salt, and flaxseed or flaxseed oil.  One can use a carrier of beet pulp (rinsed, soaked, and rinsed) as a safe feed to get the supplements in.   The Temporary Emergency Diet uses hay soaked for 1 hour in cold water, or 30 minutes in hot water, with the water drained where the horses can't get at it; plus vitamin E, salt, and ground flaxseed in a safe carrier such as beet pulp (rinsed, soaked, rinsed).  More info on Temporary Emergency Diet here:


Trim:  This is a trim physiologically balanced to the internal shape of the coffin bone, with short toe and low heels.  Trim is often a neglected or mis-understood piece of the puzzle.


Exercise: This is the best EMS buster there is, but only if the pony/horse is comfortable and non-laminitic.  A horse that has suffered laminitis needs a good 6 to 9 months of correct hoof re-growth before any kind of serious exercise can begin.


There is also a ton of good information on the website.




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Jaini (BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy

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---In EquineCushings@..., <justflax@...> wrote :

My 27 yr old mare had a similar "episode".....
I am wondering if continuing to give old cushings immune challenged horses annual shots is a bad idea.  I know that many small animal vets are now recommending not to vaccinate health compromised dogs.....

Nina and Shadow

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