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Re: Problems with Hind End - Need some help

Eleanor Kellon, VMD <drkellon@...>
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "calpiner" <calpiner@...> wrote:


My questions:

Could a large spike in sugar from the leaves have caused or
contributed to the problem with his back end?

Could the problem be due to 5 years of problems with his front feet?

Would pads on the back feet help?

Any advice for what I should evaluate next?
There's a very good chance that eating the leaves exacerbated his IR
again and what you are seeing is related to that. He's either
weightshifting to protect sore front feet or all four are hurting him,
front worse. Getting him back on a safe diet is an important first
step but you really should consider having all four feet X-rayed as
well. That will tell you what you need to do with his feet. Could you
post some photos? Body shots and close ups of the feet.

Eleanor


Have I calculated Correctly?

Sharon Stokesbary <slstokes@...>
 

Hi, I was wondering if anyone has time to check my work and to answer
a few questions. I uploaded my hay analysis and spreadsheet to
'Sharon's Hay'. I am currently using EquiPride and tried to balance
while using that product but it seemed easier to just add a few of the
minerls and drop EquiPride.

I came up with:
7g magnesium
22g salt
565 mg Zinc (I used the hand worksheet to come up with zinc and copper
amts)
186 mg copper
1800 IU Vit E

Questions:
1. I have neg manganese. Is that OK or do I need to do more to balance?

2. Can I use Redmond salt for the Na requirement? My horses currently
have it free choice but I will add it directly to the feed as well.

3. I was reading other posts and read mention of getting mag-ox from
feed store. How does this compare to Uckele's? Is there a quality
difference?

4. What is the best (and easiest) way to get the Vit E? Are Uckele's
coconut products a good source of E (I don't see analysis on their site)?

5. Did I miss anything in my spreadsheet?

Thanks much to anyone who can help!

Sharon


Re: Chasteberry

Sue
 

In a message dated 11/2/2007 5:49:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rita@bg-sc.
com writes:




Make sure that you let him know it's NOT the glucose tolerance test (or
glucose challenge as some of the old school know it as). You just need
the glucose value from the standard chemistry panel!! :)
More might understand that. It shouldn't be more than $20 to run that
one test out of a chemistry panel.
They can still do the insulin from the same blood draw as well, but make
sure you have it in the correct tube for collection, etc.

good luck!
Rita
Indiana






Thanks Rita - that's certainly worth a shot!!

Sue
Washington



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Re: Chasteberry

Sue
 

In a message dated 11/1/2007 10:25:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
fivepineranch@... writes:




JGHIRETIRE@.JGHIRETIR
He just flat said no.? He told me the Glucose test cost over $200 and
didn't do one.

Don't throw the vet out yet. He's likely talking about
Euglycaemic hyperinsulinaemic clamp technique" or the "insulin-
modified frequently sampled intravenous glucose tolerance test" and
yes, it would be costly & time consuming too. But it's a valid test
that he obviously has atleast some level of awareness or knowledge of.
Can you get an insulin test atleast to start?







I don't really see why I couldn't - even if I have to get another vet - I
feel that when I talk to him I'm being horrible for not just putting her down -
it's sort of turned me off wanting to even talk to him.

Thanks

Sue



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Re: collection tubes-got any?

lindarollins38@...
 

Rita has sent me a bunch! Yaaaaaa Rita!



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Beet pulp and supplements?

laveen2923 <laveen2923@...>
 

Hi all,
do any of you have experience feeding beet pulp in conjunction w/
bermuda hay... how does that effect the supplements? I've been using
the Arizona Regional Mix (which is tailered to our Az bermuda hay) but
wondered if I'm messing up the balance w/ a relatively high percentage
of beet pulp (about 40%).
The reason I've increased the BP ratio is that it seems to keep my
older gelding's tummy happy.
Is this too off-topic?
If so, sorry,
Krista
Manchado, and Dulce


Re: People Experienced with Founder Cases PLEASE Respond. I'm Desperate!!

aaussie_gal <tarnie_b@...>
 

Karen, don't forget deluxe equine slippers ... rubber pads fit in
there. They have leather soles and cordura uppers and can be worn
for extended periods (unlike Old Macs, Boas, etc.) Best price I
found was from www.bluegrass-equine.com

A disposable diaper can be wrapped round the pad (inside out) and
this will dry the sole if you feel the foot is getting funky.

I was always told not to have the bedding too deep when I padded the
feet.

I used LaminaSaver (@ double dose) and InflammaSaver and Ameera
continued to worsen throughout. The missing piece in her puzzle was
TRIM.

Unless I'm mistaken, LaminaSaver, InflammaSaver and the J-Herb should
not be given while the horse is on Bute.

Hang in there.

Tarn


Re: Problems with Hind End - Need some help

Tarn Beardsley <tarnie_b@...>
 

Slight soreness can manifest as general stiffness. When the front feet are sore it places a much greater strain on the hind end - muscles and back feet. Massage can help tight/sore muscles.
Tarn

Most concerning is that his hind end has gotten much worse. He's very stiff, and barely lifts his back feet when he >walks. We got him off the leaves on Sat, and he is slightly better now.


Re: Smaller manure balls

5 Pine Ranch
 

Do the manure balls have enough moisture? If you squish them with the
toe of your boot, do you see moisture squeezed out of the *niblet* (as
my daughter calls them). Just make sure he is hydrated enough - how
much water & salt?

Amberlee


Re: Chasteberry

5 Pine Ranch
 

JGHIRETIRE@... wrote:
He just flat said no.? He told me the Glucose test cost over $200 and
didn't do one.

Don't throw the vet out yet. He's likely talking about
Euglycaemic hyperinsulinaemic clamp technique" or the "insulin-
modified frequently sampled intravenous glucose tolerance test" and
yes, it would be costly & time consuming too. But it's a valid test
that he obviously has atleast some level of awareness or knowledge of.
Can you get an insulin test atleast to start?

Amberlee


Re: Chasteberry/vitex

5 Pine Ranch
 

----- Original Message -----
From: christipony1

Amberlee

Where is the best place to purchase pergolide these days?

Try these - both used extensively by list members.

http://www.pethealthpharmacy.com/

Or contact Ian here

http://www.vetpetsolutions.com/contact/

Amberlee


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Re: Chasteberry/vitex

christipony1 <christiwey@...>
 

Amberlee

Where is the best place to purchase pergolide these days?

I was purchasing it back in 2003 & 2004 through Island Pharmacy. I used
to get the apple flavored apple scented powder at 2 months for $130.

We took Savyy off of it when Dr Kellon & Robin S helped my vet & I
learn it was IR, not cushings.

Christi


Re: Fire Victim

Carlynne Allbee
 

Yes, I meant Nancy in Ramona, not Linda. My apologies.

Carlynne

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Re: Fire Victim

Carlynne Allbee
 

Linda,
This is Carlynne....I own Sam, who is Belle's father...Belle is Eileens black/white mare that had a mini pinto mule daughter by one of your jacks (love to keep track of her). So sorry to hear about your ranch. I have a bunch of small halters...Can you use them? Anything else you need? No promises but I may be able to get some other equipment for all sizes of equines.

Carlynne Allbee
in Lakeside/El Cajon area



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Re: Is This Alright For A Cushings or IR Horse?

walkercross
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Janet" <cedarcroft@...>
wrote:


.....a product called Ardren/FX for her possibly Cushings or IR
pony.
Who makes it,Janet? I Googled it,to no avail.
Wouldn't it be better to have a diagnosis before putting the
pony
on
an unknown product? Is she in a position to do that?

Lorna
Kingston
Hi Lorna,

I found it. It hadn't been spelled properly. It's Adren FX. Here
is the link http://www.omegaalphaequine.com/site/node/39

Thanks to everyone who responded. I'm sending her info.

Janet


Re: collection tubes-got any?

 

I need PLASTIC red-topped tubes for the iron profile to send to KSU.
My vet gave me glass, but the KSU site specifically states "no glass
tubes." Why does everything seem so hard????????????????sometimes..
Linda
Check with your small animal vet - they should have plastic transport
tubes (do offer to pay for the tubes).

Patti K
Vail, AZ


Re: Problems with Hind End - Need some help

Abby Nemec
 

calpiner wrote:

Most concerning is that his hind end has gotten much worse. He's very stiff, and barely lifts his back feet when he walks. We got him off the leaves on Sat, and he is slightly better now.
My questions:
Could a large spike in sugar from the leaves have caused or contributed to the problem with his back end?
YES.

Could the problem be due to 5 years of problems with his front feet?
In part, yes.

Would pads on the back feet help?
Probably not. Whatever you can do to make him more comfortable in front may help - have you tried icing his front feet?


Any advice for what I should evaluate next?
With the history of winter laminitis, you might try the jiaogulan/AAKG combo to help with circulation. I think there's info on it in the files.


-Abby B



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Equicast for laminitis/founder

Abby Nemec
 

Okay, gang, it's time to fess up.

I've been working with hoof casts for just over a year now, and I've been REALLY happy with the results. I've waited to post about them til I was sure I had a "laminitis protocol" that was working reliably.

So I do.

I also am going to be CRAZY busy for the next couple weeks BUT since the subject has come up tonight I will say that anyone can write me privately with questions about the approach I'm using and I will do my best to answer.

I'm also going to put a separate folder in my inbox for cast questions and will promise to get back to you as soon as I can without losing you (because I will have you safely stowed in the special folder).

You can also write Mandy Woods who may or may not have time to write back, because she might be out trimming & casting Asher. He's been wearing casts since spring, and has finally started a gradual upward climb after a LONG struggle with severe rotation.

Check out the equicast site at www.equicast.us and I will tell you that right now my favorite approach for a sore, laminitic or rotated horse is to put on a reverse shoe with the breakover point below the tip of P3, and cast it in place. Works like a charm, and really seems to provide immediate relief if the trim is right (even if it's not quite right but you're working towards that goal, it can help - but the trim has to be good).

Hoof casts may or may not help with abscessing. I've seen it go both ways.

Happy browsing!

-Abby


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Re: Dr. Kellon and Nutritional Experts

 

He's back to work,
or should be only I have another set back.

Memfis has soft feet - he is "prone" to quarter
cracks, he has shoes and pads on the front and
barefoot at the back.
Hi Sarah ~

How long has he been on the TC Safe Starch forage? A month?
It takes 6-8 months or more to grow out a new hoof capsule.
If you've got him totally on the TC feed now, it is balanced and you
shouldn't need anything else with it. If the TC feed is only part of
his diet (and he's still getting untested hay with it)then a smaller
dose of Farrier's Formula (proportional to the percent of hay in his
total ration) would be appropriate. i.e. - if he's getting half hay,
half TCSS, then a half dose of Farrier's Formula - 3oz (although more
won't hurt him).

Meanwhile, I'd follow Abby's advice concerning hoof care and not be in
a rush to ride - exercise and movement, yes, but not real "rider weight-
bearing work" until he's had a chance to grow new feet. Get your
farrier on board with Abby's ideas to stabilize his feet and have your
farrier show you what good hoof growth by the coronet looks like - when
it's all the way to the ground he'll likely be ready to ride.

Patti K
Vail AZ


Re: Fire Victim

Valeree Smith
 

Nancy,

I'm so sorry for your loss. The devastation caused by these fires has been tremendous (understatement, I know.)

I'm up in Los Angeles. Please let me know if there's anything I can do or help you with.

Valeree (shumist 'at' msn 'dot' com)

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