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donkey boots

Abby Nemec
 

Barb S in CT has her mini donk in Sabre Sneakers. They're very cute & seem to work well for her.

-Abby


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Re: No blood for testing - now what?

Abby Nemec
 

Suzanne Clothier wrote:
Hi
Thank you for the advice. As noted in my original email, one cephalic is thrombosed, and despite clipping and 6-8 sticks, could not get more than 4 mls from the remaining cephalic.
How about using the urinary cortisol:creatinine ratio? Eleanor discussed this some time ago - maybe last March? I tried to search but the archive search server is busy.

My pony Tony is being managed with no bloodwork, by symptoms only. He rears and dives onto anyone who tries to get close to his jugular. Even an IM injection has to be REALLY fast, and we can't get accurate EC/IR bloodwork under sedation.

It's tough, but not too bad in his case because his Cushing's symptoms are very severe and include obsessive itching which is easy to spot, and his IR is pretty well controlled by the Pergolide. He's never yet had a major founder. Have been thinking next spring I'm going to try doing urinary cortisol:creatinine, since peeing is something he does in a very predictable manner.

So yes, it can be done, but I wish I didn't have to.

-Abby

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Re: marybeth supplement

ford22256 <ford22256@...>
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., 5 Pine Ranch <fivepineranch@...>
wrote:



[
buddys hay comes from central new york area all info is online under
dairyone could a basic supplement be made up to somewhat match this hay
would be better than the accell he now gets thanks marybeth


Re: It's time to say good-bye

Cindy McGinley
 

Dee, I'm sorry you're going through this. We'll remember you in our prayers.

- Cindy and Alf (and entourage) in NY


Re: It's time to say good-bye

Jackie <stc4qh@...>
 

Dee, my heart goes out to you at this very sad time. Be strong for
Party, you did everything plus more for your boy. He was very
fortunate to have had you love and care for him. I'm very sorry.

Jackie and Gacy

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Dagmar" <nwhorselady@...> wrote:

It's time for me to let my boy Party go. He's endured enough. The last


Re: It's time to say good-bye

STOMPERX@...
 

ahhhh... Dee.....?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dagmar <nwhorselady@...>
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 8:14 pm
Subject: [EquineCushings] It's time to say good-bye






It's time for me to let my boy Party go. He's endured enough. The last
2 weeks he's been in a lot of pain and there just isn't a whole heck
of a lot we can do for him any more. It's time for me to realize that
I have exhausted all venues, opinions, suggestions, many were contrary
to the belief of the mainstream horse community, many were against
what most mainstream vets would recommend, but I always went against
the stream, nothing new there.

This summer Party was still galloping around the outdoor arena and
having a good time, he looked amazing and I have photos.

I know part of this latest laminitis episode is to blame on the beet
pulp we fed to him, this beet pulp had us fooled, I always soaked and
rinsed the beet pulp through my washmachine, have done so for a few
years now, this time the beet pulp had something in it that we missed
because we mix sterett pellets into it, otherwise dear old Party boy
wouldn't eat it, the beet pulp pellets didn't dissolve completely and
there was molasses in them, he foundered again. I blame myself because
I feel as though I have become complacent, trusting the manufacture
and my washmashine to remove all that dirt, I always checked to see
that the water rinsed clear, every day I did this, but didn't see the
glued together beet pulp pellets and didn't notice the difference when
mixing the beet pulp with the sterett pellets because they felt just
like pellets.
But his troubles started before then, the second it became colder he
became sore, still manageable, but I have watched him decline rapidly.
It's hard to medicate him because he has severe stomach ulcers, for
the past 2 weeks he's been on Aleve, fastrack, ration plus, tagamet
and liquid antacid. He's belching a lot and doesn't look happy, he
looks very sad. He did nicker for his food today. I started soaking
hay again, my back is killing me, I have 4 herniated discs in my lower
back and severe spinal stenosis, now severe sciatica as well.

I can't continue watching him suffer, I love him too much. It's very
hard to let go, I fear the pain of his loss already, silly season
makes it that much harder because I had a lot of losses in December.
On December 18th was the death anniversary of my mother and my beloved
dog and another dog I deeply cared for, all different years.
I know I haven't been on here at all. Party was maintaining well and I
re-discovered my passion for photography, that's kept me busy all summer.
I am not sure how many people remember Party or me on this list, but I
thought I needed to let everyone know that he won't be with us much
longer. For my youngest son's sake I may have to wait until Wednesday,
my vet is just a phone call away so any time I feel it's necessary
he'll be there to help my wonderful boy cross over to a life of
freedom, pasture grasses and most importantly no more pain!!!

Despite everything, I want to wish everyone a peaceful and healthy
holiday season. Thanks for all who have helped me, supported me and
cared for me and my amazing equine partner when I first arrived on
this list in December of 2003!

Hug your equine friends for me, soon there will be one wonderful soul
less to love and he'll be sorely missed by many!
Dagmar aka Dee and Party my equine soul mate





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It's time to say good-bye

Dagmar <nwhorselady@...>
 

It's time for me to let my boy Party go. He's endured enough. The last
2 weeks he's been in a lot of pain and there just isn't a whole heck
of a lot we can do for him any more. It's time for me to realize that
I have exhausted all venues, opinions, suggestions, many were contrary
to the belief of the mainstream horse community, many were against
what most mainstream vets would recommend, but I always went against
the stream, nothing new there.

This summer Party was still galloping around the outdoor arena and
having a good time, he looked amazing and I have photos.

I know part of this latest laminitis episode is to blame on the beet
pulp we fed to him, this beet pulp had us fooled, I always soaked and
rinsed the beet pulp through my washmachine, have done so for a few
years now, this time the beet pulp had something in it that we missed
because we mix sterett pellets into it, otherwise dear old Party boy
wouldn't eat it, the beet pulp pellets didn't dissolve completely and
there was molasses in them, he foundered again. I blame myself because
I feel as though I have become complacent, trusting the manufacture
and my washmashine to remove all that dirt, I always checked to see
that the water rinsed clear, every day I did this, but didn't see the
glued together beet pulp pellets and didn't notice the difference when
mixing the beet pulp with the sterett pellets because they felt just
like pellets.
But his troubles started before then, the second it became colder he
became sore, still manageable, but I have watched him decline rapidly.
It's hard to medicate him because he has severe stomach ulcers, for
the past 2 weeks he's been on Aleve, fastrack, ration plus, tagamet
and liquid antacid. He's belching a lot and doesn't look happy, he
looks very sad. He did nicker for his food today. I started soaking
hay again, my back is killing me, I have 4 herniated discs in my lower
back and severe spinal stenosis, now severe sciatica as well.

I can't continue watching him suffer, I love him too much. It's very
hard to let go, I fear the pain of his loss already, silly season
makes it that much harder because I had a lot of losses in December.
On December 18th was the death anniversary of my mother and my beloved
dog and another dog I deeply cared for, all different years.
I know I haven't been on here at all. Party was maintaining well and I
re-discovered my passion for photography, that's kept me busy all summer.
I am not sure how many people remember Party or me on this list, but I
thought I needed to let everyone know that he won't be with us much
longer. For my youngest son's sake I may have to wait until Wednesday,
my vet is just a phone call away so any time I feel it's necessary
he'll be there to help my wonderful boy cross over to a life of
freedom, pasture grasses and most importantly no more pain!!!

Despite everything, I want to wish everyone a peaceful and healthy
holiday season. Thanks for all who have helped me, supported me and
cared for me and my amazing equine partner when I first arrived on
this list in December of 2003!

Hug your equine friends for me, soon there will be one wonderful soul
less to love and he'll be sorely missed by many!
Dagmar aka Dee and Party my equine soul mate


Re: Which Hay?

5 Pine Ranch
 

----- Original Message -----
From: jvoutdoorz



I have two options and need to know which is better. I can re-test
sugar, but not a full panel. Should I get First cutting same field or
same cutting across the street. I know my minerals will no longer be
spot on, but I can't afford to start all over. Thanks for the advice.

>>>>First off, don't panic about the supplement. We'll help you work through that. Secondly - can you test both 1st cut same field and 2nd cut across the street for sugar & starch? I'd make a decision based on which one of these is best first. It is absolutely impossible to predict which would be the lowest sugar/starch levels or the closer minerals between the options you've given above.

>>>>First cut will have been cut & dried under completely different weather conditions than second cut. Second cut across the street may have been cut later in the day, may have been cut 3 days later/earlier, may or may not be irrigated & baled the same? Too many variables.

>>>>If I had to "hedge my bets" I'd check out the field across the street IF cutting/baling conditions were close...

Amberlee
.


Re: Which Hay?

Pam Brewster <pam@...>
 

I also wish the hay gurus would respond - but it has been my experience
with eastern OR hay it has more to do with when it was cut. Because
the extremely cold nights there were only a few windows when the hay
could be cut that it hadn't been stressed. When we tested six cuttings
within 6 weeks from the same farmer (different fields but very close)
the biggest difference was the stretch of weather right before the hay
was cut and how long it sat on the ground before it was baled. Just my
experience, hope it helps.
Pam

On Dec 20, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Mandy Woods wrote:

Jodie,
I wish the hay gurus would respond .... but since they haven't - yet
- I


Re: No blood for testing - now what?

Vicki Kline <vlk@...>
 

Yes, the problem isn't only the size, but the shape - they're so much
more upright. You "might" get away with hind hoofwing boots from
horsesneakers; could try a tracing and/or phone call to see what they
think.

Vicki Kline

--- In EquineCushings@..., "marysutliff" <marysutliff@...>
wrote:

-Have you tried Soft Ride boots. I just bought new ones for El Dazo
and when I talked to Debbie she mentioned they have the boots in
small enough sizes for minis. > Mary Sutliff


-- In EquineCushings@..., Suzanne Clothier <clothier@>
wrote:

Finding boots to fit a donkey - not been successful so far. Donkey
hooves are shaped differently.
Suzanne & Shrimp


Re: Why not go straight to pergolide?

Vicki Kline <vlk@...>
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "minesafety" <MineSafety@...>
wrote:

Personally, had I known about chasteberry to
begin with and understood how it works, I probably would have gone
the
chasteberry "route" versus the "pergolide" route first to see if his
numbers would come down with the chasteberry.
Ellen - FYI, when I found out my gelding tested positive for Cushings,
I did use the CTB first. He shedded out better, seemed better - but
his numbers never came down. If I hadn't retested, I would have
thought it was working great.

The pergolide for my horse is $309 for 3 months.
Agree with Linda - you're paying way too much! Most recent purchase
(for a boarder's horse) was 100 capsules (1.5 mg) for $65.

Vicki Kline


ontario dehy timothy cubes.

valdavoli <STOMPERX@...>
 

hi again.

i am in south bend indiana. if anyone within driving distance of south
bend is interested in joining forces, i think that i can get a local
store to carry this. the store is obviously concerned about getting in
a product and not having consumer support.
i am contacting a person in ft wayne that wanted this, so there are
now 2 of us. if i can call the local store back and say i have 5
people, or ten people etc, they WILL carry this.
anyone?
val


Re: Which Hay?

briarskingstonnet <briars@...>
 

Should I get First cutting same field or same cutting across the
street.
Hi Jodie,

Just agreeing with Mandy.I'd go with the same field too,with the
caveat that I'm not a guru either.

Lorna


Re: Where and how much Jiaogulan?

papballou <PapBallou@...>
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "summerhorse.geo"
<jaxthewondercat@...> wrote:

Where can you order Jiaogulan and how much does a horse get? =)
Jamie Coughlin
Jamie - you can order it at www.herbal.com and there is plenty of info
in the files section about its use and dosage...dose depends on age of
horse...

Linda


Re: Acetyl-l-carnitine

briarskingstonnet <briars@...>
 

PS - It's acetyl-l-carnitine, with an *n* not *m*...
Someone has already corrected the above,so plese can we change the
subject line for future messages about it?Before I'm forced to jump
from a dizzy height?

Lorna


Re: Which Hay?

Mandy Woods
 

Jodie,
I wish the hay gurus would respond .... but since they haven't - yet - I vote for the same field first cutting. Your minerals would probably be the closest match to that. Your s/s might be lower with the first cutting too. Is the hay mature?
Mandy and Asher in VA


Re: Why not go straight to pergolide?

lindarollins38@...
 

Did you start with pergolide, then switch to chasteberry? Did his ACTH come down if you did?
Pergolide does not have to cost that much. I pay $50 for 3 months at 1 mg/day. Look in the "files" and you will find tons of information about pergolide - and where to get it cheaply, and how much more effective it has proven to be in controlling cushings. Pergolide is worth every penny, in my opinion, experience, and the experiences of many in this group. Really, go through the files and you'll find lots of us who would use pergolide right from the beginning. Chasteberry USED to be one of very options for these horses, but not anymore!
What are his numbers? Pre-chasteberry? Post-pergolide? Pre-pergolide? Have you posted a case history yet? That would be a great place to start, so we can all see what happens & the gurus can offer guidance re: dosage, etc. Have you started the emergency diet? There is A LOT to do at first, but updating your horse's case history is easy after the initial info input.
Linda

http://www.sportshorses.com/cases/rollinslinda.Peanut.htm


Where and how much Jiaogulan?

summerhorse.geo <jaxthewondercat@...>
 

Where can you order Jiaogulan and how much does a horse get? =)
Jamie Coughlin


WAS: Acetyl-l-carmitine NOW: Dr K - when to use ACL?

papballou <PapBallou@...>
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Karen" <karen@...> wrote:

I was told 10 grams, about 3.5 teaspoons.
Karen, Chantilly, Tommi and Koko--- In
EquineCushings@..., "papballou" <PapBallou@> wrote:
Dr Kellon - would one start with j-herb with a low grade but chronic
laminitic horse, or jump to ACL, or use both?

Linda


Why not go straight to pergolide?

minesafety <MineSafety@...>
 

Hi Linda. MY OPINION ONLY. Personally, had I known about chasteberry to
begin with and understood how it works, I probably would have gone the
chasteberry "route" versus the "pergolide" route first to see if his
numbers would come down with the chasteberry. However, when I first got
the cushings diagnosis I was in a panic and did not do any research.
In the last two months I have done a lot of reading about chasteberry,
and it appears to have the same effect as pergolide. The difference?
About $90 a month for me. A month's worth of chasteberry is about $11.
The pergolide for my horse is $309 for 3 months. I am LUCKY in that
this horse is a shared horse with a friend so we split the costs. Now
my horse's ACTH numbers are up, so I am trying chasteberry instead of
increasing the pergolide dosage. As of Jan. 10 he will be on
chasteberry for 6 weeks, and his ACTH retested, and then I plan on
reporting back to everyone on this board whether or not his numbers are
down, the same, or increased while on the chasteberry. If you "google"
chasteberry and cushings, you will find a lot of helpful information. I
think it also depends on what you are comfortable with. Again, had I
known then what I know now, I would have tried the chasteberry first.
-- Ellen Smith

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