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Re: ontario dehy timothy cubes.

Carol Vincent
 

Hi Val,
I live in Decatur, IN - I'm fairly new to this group - Can you tell me more about the dehy timothy cubes? I may run into a grass hay shortage and need to have something as a backup - Alfalfa is PLENTIFUL here but I can't feed that to my mare.
you can write me off line also.....
Thanks
carol n romka

valdavoli <STOMPERX@...> wrote:
hi again.

i am in south bend indiana. if anyone within driving distance of south
bend is interested in joining forces, i think that i can get a local
store to carry this. the store is obviously concerned about getting in
a product and not having consumer support.
i am contacting a person in ft wayne that wanted this, so there are
now 2 of us. if i can call the local store back and say i have 5
people, or ten people etc, they WILL carry this.
anyone?
val






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Re: It's time to say good-bye

Sue
 

In a message dated 12/20/2007 5:22:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
STOMPERX@... writes:

Despite everything, I want to wish everyone a peaceful and healthy
holiday season. Thanks for all who have helped me, supported me and
cared for me and my amazing equine partner when I first arrived on
this list in December of 2003!


You too hon. You have my prayers and hugs for both you and Party.

Sue T.



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Re: Which Hay?

jvoutdoorz <jvining@...>
 

Thanks everyone for your help. I got a ton of the first cutting same
field today. I'm going to send it in for sugar and starch tomorrow. I
have enough 2nd cutting (tested hay) to last just Copper another month
so I switched Emmy over to the first cutting since she is not IR. If
s/s comes back good for Copper, I will feed half and half for Copper
and keep Emmy on all first cutting. I do wish I could swing a full
mineral panel, but bad timing with 4 children and christmas. There are
regular shipments of this hay coming up all winter. If the s/s is too
high, then I will test the other field and go from there. I'm so
thankful to have you all:) I love reading all the posts.

Jodie


Re: It's time to say good-bye

5 Pine Ranch
 

Dee, with your seniority and experience on this List, I can only hope that many will follow in your shoes. You've helped us grow, learn, hope and cheer. Big <hugs> for you and Party. When the time is right, you know and he's had many blessed extra years in your loving hands. If I come back as a horse one day, I could only hope to have someone like you as an owner. I hope his farewell is a fond one filled with tears of joy as well as sorrow.

Amberlee
www.fivepineranch.com
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Re: It's time to say good-bye

Joan and Dazzle
 

Oh Dee,

I'm so sorry for you. One day when your heart only has a dull ache,
you'll be able to bring out your wonderful photos. You are so lucky
that you've had the extra time with him, and that you've found a
passion in the photos that you take.

I'm a lurker on the D50 group. You're photos have always been breath-
taking.

Know that you're in our hearts.

Joan and Dazzle


--- In EquineCushings@..., "Dagmar" <nwhorselady@...>
wrote:

It's time for me to let my boy Party go.

This summer Party was still galloping around the outdoor arena and
having a good time, he looked amazing and I have photos.


Soak in 20% Peroxide for Abscesses

Lisa M. Koch <lmkoch77@...>
 

I hope this helps someone's horse like it helped mine. When Sammy, my
19 year-old Arabian was abscessing and couldn't walk without pain, I
was given advice to soak her hooves in straight 20% Peroxide from the
Beauty Salon. Not the low dose Peroxide in the drugstore. It has to
be at least 20%. It brings the abscesses to a head without softening
the hoof. It works so much better than Epsom salts. It made a
tremendous difference for Sammy so I wanted to pass this on with the
hope it will help another horse. Good luck!

Lisa M. Koch & Samantha
Aquebogue, NY


Re: It's time to say good-bye

Larson <seahorses3@...>
 

Dee, my heart is breaking for you. You may not remember but you were the one who got me off the applesauce for my Blue's meds, and I think of you every day - it's made a huge difference, and thanks to you and all the things you kept posting, I had to courage to stay. I had hoped not hearing about Party was good news, and it was, thanks to everything you went through for him. That he galloped around this summer says everything. And your courage continues with making the most difficult decision of all - to free him from pain.

Please do not blame yourself for anything - we can only do what we can do, and you have done everything possible for your boy. Our prayers are with you.

Carol and Blue in Maine


Re: It's time to say good-bye

Mandy Woods
 

Dear Dagmar,
Please know that you've gone above and beyond the call of stewardship for Party Lights. I remember your messages to the list from the beginning. I would stay up reading all night about you and Party and his abscesses. Your determination was so strong to help him. Its been years of work for the two of you and you've had such wonderful success against all odds. Party knows you love him. He knows what you did for him. You both helped so many others by sharing your stories of learning how to trim him yourself and teaching us how to make duct tape boots! So please know we all are so sorry for his discomfort now and the choice that you have to make. You'll see him again. He'll always be in your heart.
Mandy and Asher in VA


Re: It's time to say good-bye

Abby Nemec
 

Dagmar wrote:
It's time for me to let my boy Party go. He's endured enough.
We're all thinking of you, Dee. There will be some amazing souls there to meet Party at the Bridge. I know because they're my friends.

Hugs and a few extra tears from here, in case you need spares.

-Abby B

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donkey boots

Abby Nemec
 

Barb S in CT has her mini donk in Sabre Sneakers. They're very cute & seem to work well for her.

-Abby


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Re: No blood for testing - now what?

Abby Nemec
 

Suzanne Clothier wrote:
Hi
Thank you for the advice. As noted in my original email, one cephalic is thrombosed, and despite clipping and 6-8 sticks, could not get more than 4 mls from the remaining cephalic.
How about using the urinary cortisol:creatinine ratio? Eleanor discussed this some time ago - maybe last March? I tried to search but the archive search server is busy.

My pony Tony is being managed with no bloodwork, by symptoms only. He rears and dives onto anyone who tries to get close to his jugular. Even an IM injection has to be REALLY fast, and we can't get accurate EC/IR bloodwork under sedation.

It's tough, but not too bad in his case because his Cushing's symptoms are very severe and include obsessive itching which is easy to spot, and his IR is pretty well controlled by the Pergolide. He's never yet had a major founder. Have been thinking next spring I'm going to try doing urinary cortisol:creatinine, since peeing is something he does in a very predictable manner.

So yes, it can be done, but I wish I didn't have to.

-Abby

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Re: marybeth supplement

ford22256 <ford22256@...>
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., 5 Pine Ranch <fivepineranch@...>
wrote:



[
buddys hay comes from central new york area all info is online under
dairyone could a basic supplement be made up to somewhat match this hay
would be better than the accell he now gets thanks marybeth


Re: It's time to say good-bye

Cindy McGinley
 

Dee, I'm sorry you're going through this. We'll remember you in our prayers.

- Cindy and Alf (and entourage) in NY


Re: It's time to say good-bye

Jackie <stc4qh@...>
 

Dee, my heart goes out to you at this very sad time. Be strong for
Party, you did everything plus more for your boy. He was very
fortunate to have had you love and care for him. I'm very sorry.

Jackie and Gacy

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Dagmar" <nwhorselady@...> wrote:

It's time for me to let my boy Party go. He's endured enough. The last


Re: It's time to say good-bye

STOMPERX@...
 

ahhhh... Dee.....?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dagmar <nwhorselady@...>
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 8:14 pm
Subject: [EquineCushings] It's time to say good-bye






It's time for me to let my boy Party go. He's endured enough. The last
2 weeks he's been in a lot of pain and there just isn't a whole heck
of a lot we can do for him any more. It's time for me to realize that
I have exhausted all venues, opinions, suggestions, many were contrary
to the belief of the mainstream horse community, many were against
what most mainstream vets would recommend, but I always went against
the stream, nothing new there.

This summer Party was still galloping around the outdoor arena and
having a good time, he looked amazing and I have photos.

I know part of this latest laminitis episode is to blame on the beet
pulp we fed to him, this beet pulp had us fooled, I always soaked and
rinsed the beet pulp through my washmachine, have done so for a few
years now, this time the beet pulp had something in it that we missed
because we mix sterett pellets into it, otherwise dear old Party boy
wouldn't eat it, the beet pulp pellets didn't dissolve completely and
there was molasses in them, he foundered again. I blame myself because
I feel as though I have become complacent, trusting the manufacture
and my washmashine to remove all that dirt, I always checked to see
that the water rinsed clear, every day I did this, but didn't see the
glued together beet pulp pellets and didn't notice the difference when
mixing the beet pulp with the sterett pellets because they felt just
like pellets.
But his troubles started before then, the second it became colder he
became sore, still manageable, but I have watched him decline rapidly.
It's hard to medicate him because he has severe stomach ulcers, for
the past 2 weeks he's been on Aleve, fastrack, ration plus, tagamet
and liquid antacid. He's belching a lot and doesn't look happy, he
looks very sad. He did nicker for his food today. I started soaking
hay again, my back is killing me, I have 4 herniated discs in my lower
back and severe spinal stenosis, now severe sciatica as well.

I can't continue watching him suffer, I love him too much. It's very
hard to let go, I fear the pain of his loss already, silly season
makes it that much harder because I had a lot of losses in December.
On December 18th was the death anniversary of my mother and my beloved
dog and another dog I deeply cared for, all different years.
I know I haven't been on here at all. Party was maintaining well and I
re-discovered my passion for photography, that's kept me busy all summer.
I am not sure how many people remember Party or me on this list, but I
thought I needed to let everyone know that he won't be with us much
longer. For my youngest son's sake I may have to wait until Wednesday,
my vet is just a phone call away so any time I feel it's necessary
he'll be there to help my wonderful boy cross over to a life of
freedom, pasture grasses and most importantly no more pain!!!

Despite everything, I want to wish everyone a peaceful and healthy
holiday season. Thanks for all who have helped me, supported me and
cared for me and my amazing equine partner when I first arrived on
this list in December of 2003!

Hug your equine friends for me, soon there will be one wonderful soul
less to love and he'll be sorely missed by many!
Dagmar aka Dee and Party my equine soul mate





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It's time to say good-bye

Dagmar <nwhorselady@...>
 

It's time for me to let my boy Party go. He's endured enough. The last
2 weeks he's been in a lot of pain and there just isn't a whole heck
of a lot we can do for him any more. It's time for me to realize that
I have exhausted all venues, opinions, suggestions, many were contrary
to the belief of the mainstream horse community, many were against
what most mainstream vets would recommend, but I always went against
the stream, nothing new there.

This summer Party was still galloping around the outdoor arena and
having a good time, he looked amazing and I have photos.

I know part of this latest laminitis episode is to blame on the beet
pulp we fed to him, this beet pulp had us fooled, I always soaked and
rinsed the beet pulp through my washmachine, have done so for a few
years now, this time the beet pulp had something in it that we missed
because we mix sterett pellets into it, otherwise dear old Party boy
wouldn't eat it, the beet pulp pellets didn't dissolve completely and
there was molasses in them, he foundered again. I blame myself because
I feel as though I have become complacent, trusting the manufacture
and my washmashine to remove all that dirt, I always checked to see
that the water rinsed clear, every day I did this, but didn't see the
glued together beet pulp pellets and didn't notice the difference when
mixing the beet pulp with the sterett pellets because they felt just
like pellets.
But his troubles started before then, the second it became colder he
became sore, still manageable, but I have watched him decline rapidly.
It's hard to medicate him because he has severe stomach ulcers, for
the past 2 weeks he's been on Aleve, fastrack, ration plus, tagamet
and liquid antacid. He's belching a lot and doesn't look happy, he
looks very sad. He did nicker for his food today. I started soaking
hay again, my back is killing me, I have 4 herniated discs in my lower
back and severe spinal stenosis, now severe sciatica as well.

I can't continue watching him suffer, I love him too much. It's very
hard to let go, I fear the pain of his loss already, silly season
makes it that much harder because I had a lot of losses in December.
On December 18th was the death anniversary of my mother and my beloved
dog and another dog I deeply cared for, all different years.
I know I haven't been on here at all. Party was maintaining well and I
re-discovered my passion for photography, that's kept me busy all summer.
I am not sure how many people remember Party or me on this list, but I
thought I needed to let everyone know that he won't be with us much
longer. For my youngest son's sake I may have to wait until Wednesday,
my vet is just a phone call away so any time I feel it's necessary
he'll be there to help my wonderful boy cross over to a life of
freedom, pasture grasses and most importantly no more pain!!!

Despite everything, I want to wish everyone a peaceful and healthy
holiday season. Thanks for all who have helped me, supported me and
cared for me and my amazing equine partner when I first arrived on
this list in December of 2003!

Hug your equine friends for me, soon there will be one wonderful soul
less to love and he'll be sorely missed by many!
Dagmar aka Dee and Party my equine soul mate


Re: Which Hay?

5 Pine Ranch
 

----- Original Message -----
From: jvoutdoorz



I have two options and need to know which is better. I can re-test
sugar, but not a full panel. Should I get First cutting same field or
same cutting across the street. I know my minerals will no longer be
spot on, but I can't afford to start all over. Thanks for the advice.

>>>>First off, don't panic about the supplement. We'll help you work through that. Secondly - can you test both 1st cut same field and 2nd cut across the street for sugar & starch? I'd make a decision based on which one of these is best first. It is absolutely impossible to predict which would be the lowest sugar/starch levels or the closer minerals between the options you've given above.

>>>>First cut will have been cut & dried under completely different weather conditions than second cut. Second cut across the street may have been cut later in the day, may have been cut 3 days later/earlier, may or may not be irrigated & baled the same? Too many variables.

>>>>If I had to "hedge my bets" I'd check out the field across the street IF cutting/baling conditions were close...

Amberlee
.


Re: Which Hay?

Pam Brewster <pam@...>
 

I also wish the hay gurus would respond - but it has been my experience
with eastern OR hay it has more to do with when it was cut. Because
the extremely cold nights there were only a few windows when the hay
could be cut that it hadn't been stressed. When we tested six cuttings
within 6 weeks from the same farmer (different fields but very close)
the biggest difference was the stretch of weather right before the hay
was cut and how long it sat on the ground before it was baled. Just my
experience, hope it helps.
Pam

On Dec 20, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Mandy Woods wrote:

Jodie,
I wish the hay gurus would respond .... but since they haven't - yet
- I


Re: No blood for testing - now what?

Vicki Kline <vlk@...>
 

Yes, the problem isn't only the size, but the shape - they're so much
more upright. You "might" get away with hind hoofwing boots from
horsesneakers; could try a tracing and/or phone call to see what they
think.

Vicki Kline

--- In EquineCushings@..., "marysutliff" <marysutliff@...>
wrote:

-Have you tried Soft Ride boots. I just bought new ones for El Dazo
and when I talked to Debbie she mentioned they have the boots in
small enough sizes for minis. > Mary Sutliff


-- In EquineCushings@..., Suzanne Clothier <clothier@>
wrote:

Finding boots to fit a donkey - not been successful so far. Donkey
hooves are shaped differently.
Suzanne & Shrimp


Re: Why not go straight to pergolide?

Vicki Kline <vlk@...>
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "minesafety" <MineSafety@...>
wrote:

Personally, had I known about chasteberry to
begin with and understood how it works, I probably would have gone
the
chasteberry "route" versus the "pergolide" route first to see if his
numbers would come down with the chasteberry.
Ellen - FYI, when I found out my gelding tested positive for Cushings,
I did use the CTB first. He shedded out better, seemed better - but
his numbers never came down. If I hadn't retested, I would have
thought it was working great.

The pergolide for my horse is $309 for 3 months.
Agree with Linda - you're paying way too much! Most recent purchase
(for a boarder's horse) was 100 capsules (1.5 mg) for $65.

Vicki Kline

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