Party Lights

shirleysedona <shirleysedona@...>

My prayers and tears are for you. I know the feeling you are
experiencing all too well. Rest assured Party won't be far away, as his
spirit will be close all the time.
You have given him a good life and now you are giving him the respect
and peace he deserves.

Re: ADM hay replacer


thanks Kathy.

? i am not going to be able to get it tested right away, i simply don't have the extra cash until i get my guy more comfortable and moved to new barn.

i will probably only use this as a last resort.? there are simply too many unanswered questions.


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Re: ADM hay replacer

Saucier Kathy

I'm not sure why that file is under safe feeds for IR horses. I hope someone else can answer it. Maybe until tested it should be listed like the other files on feeds (good and bad). But I don't know the answer to that.
As far as testing, go to
I think the one you would run is called Trainer (603). Someone who knows about what to ask for to test a grain or feed hopefully will speak up and either correct or confirm that. The 603 costs $49. I couldn't quickly find how much you send in but I was thinking a couple cups of it. You might call their number on the web site and ask them that question and also they may have a mailer bag to send you to send it in. They did that when I sent in hay years ago. But you don't have to. Just be sure the bag is clean and never had anything in it before to contaminate it.
One thing to remember is that any test run on a feed gives you the figures for that batch. There can be some variation from one batch to another depending on how the individual ingredients are running. Of course unless the company really pursues the end product to be exactly the same each time.

Yes those figures you mentioned are probably from the general analysis like you would find on the bag. Misses a lot of things we are looking for.
Oh and by the way if you only want to know sugar and starch, NSC (or ESC, etc. if they are testing the new way like we have been discussing on the group this year) you can just do that part for a smaller fee. You can even ask them to hold the sample and if you like the sugar and starch numbers and want to use the feed then have them finish out the other testing on it. Their NSC package #644 is $19.

The NFC figure they gave you doesn't make sense. If I have my facts straight, it will always be higher than the NSC and it is hard to get a feed down even to 10% NSC.
And as far as their minerals you or should I say your horse is better off doing your minerals custom. There are several people on here that can help you or pay for a consult with Dr. Kellon, but using the spreadsheet if you are handy with numbers will give you the ability to plug in your hay analysis and your feed analysis to see what is really missing and needs adding. I've not seen a manufactured mineral supplement that exactly matches what a diet is missing. How do they know what your hay will be. Often they won't even come close to some, and too much of another like iron. Then stuff in there you don't even need.

Hope that helps.

Re: It's time to say good-bye

Saucier Kathy

I can never forget you and Party.
You've been on the group a year longer than me and I deeply and lovingly remember you & Party and all you have gone through. You have been a hero
and someone for us to look up to in your dedication and love for Party.
My heart goes out to you. May your last days be comforting in the midst of the sorrow.
Kathy (& Magic and Grayson)

Re: Where and how much Jiaogulan?

Jax The Wonder Cat <jaxthewondercat@...>

Thank you for the websites and dosage. I looked through the files but couldn't find anything on dosage. Obviously I missed it! jamie

Re: grazing muzzle & snow

Katherine Morrow <sunflowerhill07@...>

Hi Linda,

Keep the muzzle on!!! The horses will paw their way thru the snow and eat the grass. Looks funny, I know I have great pictures from last year muzzle and snow. Hummmm, maybe I should find them after Christmas.


Linda <lindarollins38@...> wrote:
We got a foot of snow yesterday. Can Peanut forgo the muzzle today -
and for a few days to come? More snow this weekend too.

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Re: It's time to say good-bye

Jax The Wonder Cat <jaxthewondercat@...>

I'm so sorry Dagmar. jamie coughlin

Re: hay coring vs grab samples

Joan and Dazzle

Hi Clair,

The problem with "grab" samples as opposed to core samples are many.
Although it seems as if that should be a logical way to do it, in
fact, it does not give you a representative sample of what the hay
truly is.

When I look at my hay, there are stems, leaves, sometimes seeds.
There is the thicker, tough stuff and there are "fines". If I were
to grab a handfull of hay, the only thing that I could really hang
on to would be the bigger, thicker stuff. All of the fines, that my
horse also eats, would not be included because I didn't "scoop" out
the grab.

So, what's in the fines? Some of it is hay, some of it is seeds,
some of it is dirt and dust. But whatever it is, she EATS it.

Although her hay doesn't "look" dirty, when I core her hay, there's
an awful lot of this "fine" stuff in the baggie.

Based on the hay that I've tested (and I test every 3 months), I
think that I would have different results if I was missing
those "small pieces".

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "cjspackman" <c.thunes@...>

Has anyone compared hay analysis results from a batch of hay taken
using a corer versus hand grabbing samples and mixing?

Re: It's time to say good-bye

Sherrie Hilliard

My prayers go out to you. Please see the prayer for your situation I
posted yesterday on the ECPhotos yahoo group. I think you'll find it
Blue's Mom

Re: It's time to say good-bye

briarskingstonnet <briars@...>

After it was all said and done, I realized
that I probably didn't make the decision at all - I think he did. I
think he was just tired.
Vicki,so well said.
I think that is a very important thing to remember...after all is said
and done....."I think he was just tired."

And so lucky for the horses whose humans recognize the message ,and
help them cross over,even as their own hearts feel as if they're being
ripped from their chests.

What a dreadful few months this has been,with so many losses.


Re: It's time to say good-bye

Suzie Mac Dougall <walking_s_mac@...>

Dee I know how hard this is for you, you have done a great job and made
Party's last years good, we all come to this stage one way or another
cushings or not it is part of the cycle of life, don't blame yourself -
sometimes these things happen - when Rose departed I wondered if I'd missed
something I should have seen but if I did it was part of the process of
Roses souls journey.

Hugs Suzie in Oz

From: EquineCushings@... [mailto:EquineCushings@...]
On Behalf Of Dagmar
Sent: Friday, 21 December 2007 12:15 PM
To: EquineCushings@...
Subject: [EquineCushings] It's time to say good-bye

It's time for me to let my boy Party go. He's endured enough. The last
2 weeks he's been in a lot of pain and there just isn't a whole heck
of a lot we can do for him any more. It's time for me to realize that
I have exhausted all venues, opinions, suggestions, many were contrary
to the belief of the mainstream horse community, many were against
what most mainstream vets would recommend, but I always went against
the stream, nothing new there.

Re: It's time to say good-bye

Vicki Kline <vlk@...>

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Dagmar" <nwhorselady@...> wrote:

It's time for me to let my boy Party go. He's endured enough. >
Dagmar aka Dee and Party my equine soul mate


I'm so sorry for you. We've had to euthanize 3 in the last 2 years.
One was my soul mate too. After it was all said and done, I realized
that I probably didn't make the decision at all - I think he did. I
think he was just tired.

I've been on this list forever too, and your stories of inspiration and
the help you've given us all will never be forgotten.

Vicki Kline

Dee and Party

laviniamfiscaletti <dnlf@...>

Dee, My heart goes out to you. Many of us remember your struggles and
perseverence thru the years with Party's issues. Your ability to think
outside the box was a beacon to us all. I only hope that I can do half
as well for my guys. May the good memories eclipse the pain you now
Love in this time of sorrow,
Lavinia, George and Nappi

Re: hay coring vs grab samples


has anyone ever did a test where the grab sample differs from core sample ?
How much difference could there be?


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Uckele vs Horsetech

laviniamfiscaletti <dnlf@...>

FWIW, I have always found Uckele prices to be MUCH less expensive than
Horsetech for the custom mixes I've needed. When I priced them out this
year, the Horsetech price was about double the Uckele cost. And I've
had no issues with the quality from
Lavinia, George and Nappi

Re: It's time to say good-bye


I don't know you or Party as I joined this list only this summer.
However I can feel your pain. I just lost my equine friend of 18
years this past tuesday (the 18th) due to a sudden and rapidly
deteriorating condition seemingly unrelated to his cushings. Having
lost my dog earlier this year to another rapidly progressing condition
I know it will get better and you will be blessed by many happy
memories. I also know it is the greatest kindness you can pay to a
dear friend to acknowledge when it is time. It truly is an act of
unconditional love that repays them for that same unconditional love
they have given us over the years. Party is blessed to have you in
his life however guilty you may currently feel. He is well aware of
all you did for him that enabled him to have a new lease of life this
past summer and will be thankful for your ultimate gift of kindness.
Buckskin and all our other past friends are waiting for him.

In peace,

Re: LOOKING FOR: A barefoot trimmer in N.E. Indiana

Carol Vincent

THANKS Rita and Val,

I will try this group and see what I am able to find. I have cruised the internet and its difficult to find anyone within 100 miles willing to travel.

Thanks Again!!!
Merry Christmas to all.......
Carol and Romka


There has been several on the EdGe list (Indiana Trail riders list)
discussing trimmers up in Norther IN.

If you aren't a member of the group, you can join and find names from
the archives. I think Val may be farther north but more to the West
side of the state. I'm in Lafayette, so not much help!

Val may be able to have the names closer at hand than I do.

Good luck,

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Re: It's time to say good-bye


My heart aches for you and Party. I can't find any more words.
Peace to you both.

Re: It's time to say good-bye

K. Currie

No words - just Hugs & Nickers,

Karen & Magic

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Re: It's time to say good-bye



I know that we have talked so many times about our struggles with our
beloved companions but it is never easy to make that final choice. He
is and will always big a huge blessing in your life. I can't believe
how much we learn from them about ourselves. I'm so glad that I got to
meet Party. He reminds so much of my Lady Red.

God Bless and my phone is always on to talk.

Courtney, Lady Red and Walela

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