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Re: Jacks new hay results

Pauline <takarri@...>
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Joan and Dazzle"
<horsies4luv@...> wrote:
And how much does he weigh?
Hi Joan
at present he is about 220kg ( too heavy) & gets approx 3kg hay daily-
no more than 4kg if its cold

pauline


ODTB cubes through TC in Texas

Saucier Kathy
 

Just a heads up to anyone in Texas wanting these cubes that hasn't already seen my posts over the last few weeks.
To all the ladies on my list already, we ARE getting them. The deal is done and the truck should be leaving Ontario soon if not already. By next week the shipment will be in Fort Worth at Evergreen Mills.
When I have the word they have gotten here, I will post again. Then you can start bugging your feed guys to get it there for you. Even start letting them know you are wanting this now so they know of your interest. I went to Ontario Dehy and printed off the info sheet on the Timothy Balance cubes for my feed man so he could get familiar with it ahead of time. And he is excited.

I haven't been able to keep up with email and the EC group lately. If you need to ask me anything, go ahead and send me an email personally. That is fine.
gksaucier at verizon dot net

And anyone who was not aware of this coming to TX, if you don't know if you have a Triple Crown dealer in your area, you can go to http://www.evergreenmills.com/ and click on "dealer locator". It is a great tool to find out where to get it. Triple Crown is dealing the Ontario Dehy products including our Timothy Balance. Oh and be sure your feed dealer understand which Timothy cube. The BALANCE cube.
Kathy Saucier
Carrollton, TX


Re: Jacks new hay results

Joan and Dazzle
 

I hit send too soon...

And how much does he weigh?

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Joan and Dazzle"
<horsies4luv@...> wrote:

Pauline,

How much do you feed him per day?

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Pauline" <takarri@> wrote:

G'day
Just got new hay results- will attempt to file out file
later.Have
spent 30 mins playing around with it & have given up.

as sampled
De Mcal/kg 8.7%
protein 8.7%
lysine .3%
ADF 38.6%
NDF 60.6%
ESC 2.3%
starch 1.5%
NFC 14.8%
calcium .31%
Phosphorus .18%
magnesium .18%
Potassium 1.26%
Sodium .292%
Iron 240 ppm
Zinc 28 ppm
Copper 6 ppm
Manganese 101ppm
Molybdenum .90ppm
RFV 80%

Would appreciate any input. Strange how it doesn't look so
foreign
&
daunting anymore

Pauline & Jack


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Re: Jacks new hay results

Joan and Dazzle
 

Pauline,

How much do you feed him per day?

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Pauline" <takarri@...> wrote:

G'day
Just got new hay results- will attempt to file out file later.Have
spent 30 mins playing around with it & have given up.

as sampled
De Mcal/kg 8.7%
protein 8.7%
lysine .3%
ADF 38.6%
NDF 60.6%
ESC 2.3%
starch 1.5%
NFC 14.8%
calcium .31%
Phosphorus .18%
magnesium .18%
Potassium 1.26%
Sodium .292%
Iron 240 ppm
Zinc 28 ppm
Copper 6 ppm
Manganese 101ppm
Molybdenum .90ppm
RFV 80%

Would appreciate any input. Strange how it doesn't look so foreign
&
daunting anymore

Pauline & Jack


Re: Forwarded posts

Joan and Dazzle
 

Hi Marie,

I do this too. How I solved the problem was to go to the main list and
forward the email to myself. Then, in the subject line, I add the
message number. That way, if I need to go back to read the thread, it's
already there.

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Marie Milliman" <caillou@...>
wrote:

I just started saving my posts and
answers in files on my email, AND, it would be SUPER COOL, if when we
forward a post, it had the message# on it, date of post would be nice
too.


Thyroid Panel

Marie Milliman
 

OK, me again! I just went on Cornell's website and there is 11
different thyroid tests. I would like for the most comprehensive to
please be reccommended. I searched files and for T3 and 4 in the search!

Thanks again, and again, and again,

Marie, Caillou and Player


Jacks new hay results

Pauline <takarri@...>
 

G'day
Just got new hay results- will attempt to file out file later.Have
spent 30 mins playing around with it & have given up.

as sampled
De Mcal/kg 8.7%
protein 8.7%
lysine .3%
ADF 38.6%
NDF 60.6%
ESC 2.3%
starch 1.5%
NFC 14.8%
calcium .31%
Phosphorus .18%
magnesium .18%
Potassium 1.26%
Sodium .292%
Iron 240 ppm
Zinc 28 ppm
Copper 6 ppm
Manganese 101ppm
Molybdenum .90ppm
RFV 80%

Would appreciate any input. Strange how it doesn't look so foreign &
daunting anymore

Pauline & Jack


Forwarded posts

Marie Milliman
 

Hey everyone,

I know, I'm becoming obsessive. but I just started saving my posts and
answers in files on my email, AND, it would be SUPER COOL, if when we
forward a post, it had the message# on it, date of post would be nice
too. So, if we are trying to review info, we could easily track down
related posts. Or, does anyone have another suggestion?

Thanks again,

Marie, Caillou and Player


Re: Compensated IR

Sandra Su
 

At 4:26 PM +0000 5/1/08, Jami wrote:
Forgot to ask...what does compensated IR mean exactly? I tried to find an answer in the files but couldn't find it.
Well, I never heard an official explanation, either, but I just figured out on my own that it means your horse isn't seriously IR, but you still have to watch the diet. He's a little bit IR, not a whole lot IR.
--

Sandy Su
ssu@...


Re: daily feedings

Valeree Smith
 

I never read anything about feeding more than 2x daily for an I.R. horse.<

Angie,

I don't recall it being a separate topic but ALL horses are better served with either multiple meals per day or access to a continuous supply of hay. (The latter has been a topic recently with regards to feeders designed to provide just that.)

Remember that horses were designed to graze and move all day long and we've taken that away from them via domestication. Their systems like having that near constant trickle of food going through the digestive tract. The closer you can get to that ideal, the better. Also keeps blood glucose and hormones more stable.

If your situation allows (boarding can make it a bit more difficult), I'd add at least a 3rd feeding and more if at all possible.


Valeree


daily feedings

Angie <goodnewfgril@...>
 

I never read anything about feeding more than 2x daily for an I.R.
horse. Wookie only eats 0900 and 2100. What is recommended? Where
can I find information on this topic?

Angie J


Salt and Iodine and SOurce

Marie Milliman
 

Hello,

My mare Caillou, receiving heaping 1 TBSPN of iodized salt does not
seem to increase her thirst, infact it seems to just increase the
inflammation in her legs(which means it is affecting her feet
circulation too). She isn't moving around much right now, so I've cut
her back to 1 tspn AM and PM. My other horse does great on the
heaping TBSPN, it doesn't affect his "inflammation" at all. She has
never had a big "appetite" for salt, She does have free choice to a
white salt block also. ****Any ideas on why this is, metabolically? I
am soaking her hay for an hour, so, I know this reduces the high
potassium in her diet.**** With this in mind, could her sodium
requirement be reduced as the lower potassium now does not need to be
offset?

ALSO, I would like to supplement with Iodine seperately so I am not
relying on the salt intake for this source. I am having her blood
drawn for a full thyroid panel on Monday, am also retesting her
ACTH/Glucose/Insulin plus a full panel drawn.****Any suggestions on
what I can supplement with on the safest side? I tried Source, and it
seemed OK at 1/2 tspn AM and PM, but, when I inc. it to 2 tspns, she
really took a dive! Her feet pain and also, my colts, seemed to
increase on the 2 tspns a day.****Any comments?

Thanks,

Marie, Caillou and Player


Re: When it rains, it pours…ANOTHER issue!

Jeanette
 

Thanks, Judy, for sharing your experience. And, yes, it's become
obvious to me over time that we need to deal with whatever tooth
issues we're looking at and probably sooner than later. The problem
is that the new x-rays are the first to really show us what **might**
be the problem. The earlier x-rays -- good films -- didn't pick up
the fractures, but they weren't specifically looking for them
either. My dental vet is using state-of-the-art equipment and
dentistry is, after all, his veterinary specialty. Even so, getting
the shots he wanted wasn't easy. Angle and exposure were everything!

We've known there was a broken tooth, but the consensus was to leave
it alone to see whether it would just work itself out, as many do.
(As I've had just that happen in other horses, made sense to me.)

The new radiographs, however, have shown us that the damage is more
than superficial and that, in addition to the tooth broken at the
surface, the adjacent molar has a hairline fracture that travels much
of the distance upward from the bottom of the root. That one also
appears to be encased in an abscess pocket. Now we just need to
figure out what to do about it. Unfortunately, that is going to
depend on how cooperative Manda will be. (A different story for
another time...)

At least we haven't seen much Lyme disease out here -- yet! But,
yes, the whole inflammation piece has seemed to be the common
denominator among the several issues that we're dealing with. I was
hoping the jiaogulan and/or ALC would help, but haven't seen any real
improvement with those.

Judy, I may very well contact you off list vis-a-vis the tooth issues
when I have a better idea what's next. Thanks for the offer.

Jeanette
(4 inches of heavy, wet snow in Colorado this morning)


Re: Angel

luckycharmfarm <LuckyCharmFarm@...>
 

since january, i got her teeth and hooves caught up. her hooves
looked great and she was going on trail rides with no problems. then
came the spring grass in mid-april and limping.

it has been almost 2 weeks since she has been off of spring grass
completely. grazing muzzle on when out. on wellsolve l/s 1/2 scoop,
r/s/r beet pulp 1 scoop, 1-2 flakes soaked hay, flax, and strongid c2x
TWICE daily. she is eating and drinking very well and always has
something to munch on. still trying to put weight on her...

some days i thought she was getting better as she walked out of her
stall. but most days she wants to be in and not walk. she is not
laying down a lot and is not rocking forward nor back. just not
wanting to walk. hooves less warm to touch than a week ago.

but today she is very gimpy and i don't know anything about how long
it should take to recover? if i should be REALLY worried or if this
is to be expected? the vet wants to come out and xray. will that
change any course of treatment?

please advise on what else i should do?

thank you,

nancy and angel




--- In EquineCushings@..., "luckycharmfarm"
<LuckyCharmFarm@...> wrote:
thank you everyone.
i can put a muzzle on her like cindy does during the day.
i have a stall i can put her in at night. with something to munch on.
this is the best i can come up with today.
what do others here do?
nancy


Re: When it rains, it pours…ANOTHER issue!

Jeanette
 

Thanks, Claire, for the comments and suggestions. I've had Manda
checked a couple times -- tho' not in the last year -- by the
chiropractor who worked a couple times a year on the TB gelding I put
down last summer. She checked out fine from mouth/jaw to the dock of
her tail. Ditto for the saddler who checked her over while fitting a
saddle to her -- which I've since had almost no opportunity to use :-
( About the only time chewing per se seems to be a problem -- no
funny noises ;-) -- is when she's due for a float and then she starts
leaving quids. But, of course, she may still be experiencing
discomfort and/or annoyance from the damage in her mouth.

I've also started to wonder whether she has some scarring or some
kind of obstruction in her nasal passages just above her nostrils as
she'll swell up there also when the jowl swells. Even when she's not
swollen, she'll make funny snorty/gurgling kind of noises -- tho' not
distressed -- when she's working.

And, to be honest, I have thought about getting Dr. M out again ...
just hasn't been near enough the top of my priorities. Thanks,
Claire, for the suggestion. I'll put calling the chiro nearer the
top of my list.

Jeanette
Colorado

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Claire C. Cox-Wilson"
<shotgun.ranch@...> wrote:

Jeanette
First of all, IMO this is not off topic at all.
Teeth issues are common in older horses and the cushings and IR
doesn't help.


Re: Question on ACTH test, please advise, Dr. Kellon

Stacy
 

Hi Jami -

If your vet is still the mobile vet I was using, I would recommend a
different vet. The results didn't 'feel' right to me. She is the
same vet that insisted that my horse was not foundering and did not
want to take x-rays. She thought he had abscesses in both front
feet (x-rays a week later confirmed what I knew was happening).

Anyways, I had my horse tested at the clinic in Placerville, when I
didn't agree with the results from the first vet and I got very
different results. I am not sure that the blood was handled
correctly by the vet you have been working with, if it is the same
person.

It was an expensive lesson for me on picking a vet to work with that
was more knowledgeable about the condition. I think it is hard for
the field vets, as they are jack of all trades so to speak. They
can't know everything. The fact that the one vet didn't want to
take x-rays to confirm founder (which I think should be a very basic
diagnosis tool, particularly when the owner is asking for it), made
me realize that she wasn't the right vet for my horses.

Stacy


Osteoporosis in older horses

Karen <karen@...>
 

I am asking a question that came up on the Photo list.
It was suggested that older female cushing horses often have
osteoporosis. Tilly does have bad arthritis.
I do have my hay balanced so would this take care of the need for extra
calcium for these girls.
It was suggested to give them Boniva but that seems really out of the
question. It is quit expensive for human comsumption.
Karen, Chantilly, Tommi and Koko


Re: Wookies Results/ Dr. Kellon question

Joan and Dazzle
 

Hi Angie,

Obviously, I'm not Dr. Kellon, but I'll chime in.

Your numbers look good. Your ACTH is right in the middle of the
normal range - which it should be for this time of year. If this
were Dazzle, I would not lower the pergolide dosage. At this point
in time, you have a good number. Just to give you a heads up, if
this were Dazzle, I'd start increasing it in August to account for
the seasonal rise.

As for the insulin... that too is a great number. At this point, I
wouldn't be as concerned about the insulin resistance as I would
about keeping on top of the pergolide every single day.

Enjoy Wookie. She has good numbers. - You've taken all the right
steps so far!

Joan and Dazzle


--- In EquineCushings@..., "Angie" <goodnewfgril@...>
wrote:

ACTH (adrenocorticotropic hormone)

WOOKIE Plasma - EDTA ACTH 5.1 2-10 pmol/L

WOOKIE Serum Insulin 42.4 28-390 pmol/L
******************************


Re: Wookies Results/ Dr. Kellon question

Angie <goodnewfgril@...>
 

ACTH (adrenocorticotropic hormone)

WOOKIE Plasma - EDTA ACTH 5.1 2-10 pmol/L

WOOKIE Serum Insulin 42.4 28-390 pmol/L
******************************

I forgot to add... the reason I'm concerned about the results is that
Wookies was fed soaked rinced hay at 06:30 and the draw was done at
08:45....
I need to know if this would give me an incorrect result, and, if so,
how incorrect?
Also, questioning why the Dr. would want to lower the Pergolide from
1.5mg, to 1mg. And if this is typical.

Angie J

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