Hi Donna,
It will depend on how sensitive your horse has become. Rabies is a difficult one. The list recommends one shot every 3-4 weeks. You can get them individually packaged. Avoid combo shots. Some people give banamine 12 hours before, during and 12 hours after a vaccination. That used to help Asher however he's foundered now on vaccines as well as wormers. You can do titers or nosodes. I know nothing about either of those alternatives except I"ve read that some people choose that route. Depending on your horses age and if he has had yearly vaccines he might not need any more!
Mandy and Asher in VA

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Marie Milliman" <caillou@...>
wrote:

anyone have any experience, or, tried Goji Berries?

yum- regarded at a superfood & v high in antioxidents- don't know how
that plays out in horses- but a handfull keeps me going for ages.
pauline & jack

anyone have any experience, or, tried Goji Berries?

Marie, Caillou and Player

Are there vaccines that we should be careful with our IR horses?



Donna and Sullivan

Kathy -- Good news for folks in Texas. I have a call into one of the
feed distributors here in Colorado. I know they carry TC products,
but don't see the timothy balance on their list so have asked them to
call me. I'll see if I can get them down here. I know the feed
store I work with is all hot to trot with the new Purina L/C and W/C
product, but I'm not sure it's low enough in s/s for my mare. I'm
also not thrilled with their reticence vis-a-vis full content
disclosure.

Anyway, I appreciate the slap in the fanny that your success in
getting the product down your way has given me. Don't know yet of
too many folks in this area with horses in the same boat as mine, but
they must exist, so this seems a good time to get movin'.

Thanks, again.

Jeanette
Colorado

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Gary & Kathy Saucier"
<gksaucier@...> wrote:

Just a heads up to anyone in Texas wanting these cubes that hasn't

already seen my posts over the last few weeks.

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Joan and Dazzle"
<horsies4luv@...> wrote:

And how much does he weigh?

Hi Joan
at present he is about 220kg ( too heavy) & gets approx 3kg hay daily-
no more than 4kg if its cold

pauline

Just a heads up to anyone in Texas wanting these cubes that hasn't already seen my posts over the last few weeks.
To all the ladies on my list already, we ARE getting them. The deal is done and the truck should be leaving Ontario soon if not already. By next week the shipment will be in Fort Worth at Evergreen Mills.
When I have the word they have gotten here, I will post again. Then you can start bugging your feed guys to get it there for you. Even start letting them know you are wanting this now so they know of your interest. I went to Ontario Dehy and printed off the info sheet on the Timothy Balance cubes for my feed man so he could get familiar with it ahead of time. And he is excited.

I haven't been able to keep up with email and the EC group lately. If you need to ask me anything, go ahead and send me an email personally. That is fine.
gksaucier at verizon dot net

And anyone who was not aware of this coming to TX, if you don't know if you have a Triple Crown dealer in your area, you can go to http://www.evergreenmills.com/ and click on "dealer locator". It is a great tool to find out where to get it. Triple Crown is dealing the Ontario Dehy products including our Timothy Balance. Oh and be sure your feed dealer understand which Timothy cube. The BALANCE cube.
Kathy Saucier
Carrollton, TX

I hit send too soon...

And how much does he weigh?

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Joan and Dazzle"
<horsies4luv@...> wrote:

Pauline,

How much do you feed him per day?

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Pauline" <takarri@> wrote:

G'day
Just got new hay results- will attempt to file out file

later.Have

spent 30 mins playing around with it & have given up.

as sampled
De Mcal/kg 8.7%
protein 8.7%
lysine .3%
ADF 38.6%
NDF 60.6%
ESC 2.3%
starch 1.5%
NFC 14.8%
calcium .31%
Phosphorus .18%
magnesium .18%
Potassium 1.26%
Sodium .292%
Iron 240 ppm
Zinc 28 ppm
Copper 6 ppm
Manganese 101ppm
Molybdenum .90ppm
RFV 80%

Would appreciate any input. Strange how it doesn't look so

foreign

&

daunting anymore

Pauline & Jack

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Pauline,

How much do you feed him per day?

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Pauline" <takarri@...> wrote:

G'day
Just got new hay results- will attempt to file out file later.Have
spent 30 mins playing around with it & have given up.

as sampled
De Mcal/kg 8.7%
protein 8.7%
lysine .3%
ADF 38.6%
NDF 60.6%
ESC 2.3%
starch 1.5%
NFC 14.8%
calcium .31%
Phosphorus .18%
magnesium .18%
Potassium 1.26%
Sodium .292%
Iron 240 ppm
Zinc 28 ppm
Copper 6 ppm
Manganese 101ppm
Molybdenum .90ppm
RFV 80%

Would appreciate any input. Strange how it doesn't look so foreign

&

daunting anymore

Pauline & Jack

Hi Marie,

I do this too. How I solved the problem was to go to the main list and
forward the email to myself. Then, in the subject line, I add the
message number. That way, if I need to go back to read the thread, it's
already there.

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Marie Milliman" <caillou@...>
wrote:

I just started saving my posts and
answers in files on my email, AND, it would be SUPER COOL, if when we
forward a post, it had the message# on it, date of post would be nice
too.

OK, me again! I just went on Cornell's website and there is 11
different thyroid tests. I would like for the most comprehensive to
please be reccommended. I searched files and for T3 and 4 in the search!

Thanks again, and again, and again,

Marie, Caillou and Player

G'day
Just got new hay results- will attempt to file out file later.Have
spent 30 mins playing around with it & have given up.

as sampled
De Mcal/kg 8.7%
protein 8.7%
lysine .3%
ADF 38.6%
NDF 60.6%
ESC 2.3%
starch 1.5%
NFC 14.8%
calcium .31%
Phosphorus .18%
magnesium .18%
Potassium 1.26%
Sodium .292%
Iron 240 ppm
Zinc 28 ppm
Copper 6 ppm
Manganese 101ppm
Molybdenum .90ppm
RFV 80%

Would appreciate any input. Strange how it doesn't look so foreign &
daunting anymore

Pauline & Jack

Hey everyone,

I know, I'm becoming obsessive. but I just started saving my posts and
answers in files on my email, AND, it would be SUPER COOL, if when we
forward a post, it had the message# on it, date of post would be nice
too. So, if we are trying to review info, we could easily track down
related posts. Or, does anyone have another suggestion?

Thanks again,

Marie, Caillou and Player

At 4:26 PM +0000 5/1/08, Jami wrote:

Forgot to ask...what does compensated IR mean exactly? I tried to find an answer in the files but couldn't find it.

Well, I never heard an official explanation, either, but I just figured out on my own that it means your horse isn't seriously IR, but you still have to watch the diet. He's a little bit IR, not a whole lot IR.
--

Sandy Su
ssu@...

I never read anything about feeding more than 2x daily for an I.R. horse.<

Angie,

I don't recall it being a separate topic but ALL horses are better served with either multiple meals per day or access to a continuous supply of hay. (The latter has been a topic recently with regards to feeders designed to provide just that.)

Remember that horses were designed to graze and move all day long and we've taken that away from them via domestication. Their systems like having that near constant trickle of food going through the digestive tract. The closer you can get to that ideal, the better. Also keeps blood glucose and hormones more stable.

If your situation allows (boarding can make it a bit more difficult), I'd add at least a 3rd feeding and more if at all possible.


Valeree

I never read anything about feeding more than 2x daily for an I.R.
horse. Wookie only eats 0900 and 2100. What is recommended? Where
can I find information on this topic?

Angie J

Hello,

My mare Caillou, receiving heaping 1 TBSPN of iodized salt does not
seem to increase her thirst, infact it seems to just increase the
inflammation in her legs(which means it is affecting her feet
circulation too). She isn't moving around much right now, so I've cut
her back to 1 tspn AM and PM. My other horse does great on the
heaping TBSPN, it doesn't affect his "inflammation" at all. She has
never had a big "appetite" for salt, She does have free choice to a
white salt block also. ****Any ideas on why this is, metabolically? I
am soaking her hay for an hour, so, I know this reduces the high
potassium in her diet.**** With this in mind, could her sodium
requirement be reduced as the lower potassium now does not need to be
offset?

ALSO, I would like to supplement with Iodine seperately so I am not
relying on the salt intake for this source. I am having her blood
drawn for a full thyroid panel on Monday, am also retesting her
ACTH/Glucose/Insulin plus a full panel drawn.****Any suggestions on
what I can supplement with on the safest side? I tried Source, and it
seemed OK at 1/2 tspn AM and PM, but, when I inc. it to 2 tspns, she
really took a dive! Her feet pain and also, my colts, seemed to
increase on the 2 tspns a day.****Any comments?

Thanks,

Marie, Caillou and Player

Thanks, Judy, for sharing your experience. And, yes, it's become
obvious to me over time that we need to deal with whatever tooth
issues we're looking at and probably sooner than later. The problem
is that the new x-rays are the first to really show us what **might**
be the problem. The earlier x-rays -- good films -- didn't pick up
the fractures, but they weren't specifically looking for them
either. My dental vet is using state-of-the-art equipment and
dentistry is, after all, his veterinary specialty. Even so, getting
the shots he wanted wasn't easy. Angle and exposure were everything!

We've known there was a broken tooth, but the consensus was to leave
it alone to see whether it would just work itself out, as many do.
(As I've had just that happen in other horses, made sense to me.)

The new radiographs, however, have shown us that the damage is more
than superficial and that, in addition to the tooth broken at the
surface, the adjacent molar has a hairline fracture that travels much
of the distance upward from the bottom of the root. That one also
appears to be encased in an abscess pocket. Now we just need to
figure out what to do about it. Unfortunately, that is going to
depend on how cooperative Manda will be. (A different story for
another time...)

At least we haven't seen much Lyme disease out here -- yet! But,
yes, the whole inflammation piece has seemed to be the common
denominator among the several issues that we're dealing with. I was
hoping the jiaogulan and/or ALC would help, but haven't seen any real
improvement with those.

Judy, I may very well contact you off list vis-a-vis the tooth issues
when I have a better idea what's next. Thanks for the offer.

Jeanette
(4 inches of heavy, wet snow in Colorado this morning)

since january, i got her teeth and hooves caught up. her hooves
looked great and she was going on trail rides with no problems. then
came the spring grass in mid-april and limping.

it has been almost 2 weeks since she has been off of spring grass
completely. grazing muzzle on when out. on wellsolve l/s 1/2 scoop,
r/s/r beet pulp 1 scoop, 1-2 flakes soaked hay, flax, and strongid c2x
TWICE daily. she is eating and drinking very well and always has
something to munch on. still trying to put weight on her...

some days i thought she was getting better as she walked out of her
stall. but most days she wants to be in and not walk. she is not
laying down a lot and is not rocking forward nor back. just not
wanting to walk. hooves less warm to touch than a week ago.

but today she is very gimpy and i don't know anything about how long
it should take to recover? if i should be REALLY worried or if this
is to be expected? the vet wants to come out and xray. will that
change any course of treatment?

please advise on what else i should do?

thank you,

nancy and angel




--- In EquineCushings@..., "luckycharmfarm"
<LuckyCharmFarm@...> wrote:

thank you everyone.
i can put a muzzle on her like cindy does during the day.
i have a stall i can put her in at night. with something to munch on.
this is the best i can come up with today.
what do others here do?
nancy