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Re: Dr Kellon's new book!

Joan and Dazzle
 

I'm envious. I'm still waiting by my mailbox....

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Marla Spellenberg"
<ketakis_mom@...> wrote:

just arrived! Wow! I started skimming and ended up reading... it's
wonderful! and a great book to go along with our classes on
nutrition!

Now all I have to do is figure out how to get her autograph!

me, marla with Kati and Savannah in sunny, warm MA


Re: Safe treats, Was: Kellogg's Cracklin' Oats ?

Jeanie
 

Kallie used to like plain Rolaids. Rolaids are better, IMO, because of no
aluminum. The tiny amount of dextrose or whatever the sweetener is, compared
to the size of the animal, is minuscule.

Jeanie



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Re: Treats, Was: Kellogg's Cracklin' Oats ?

donna <donnajbrowne@...>
 

What about long term use. Can it cause stomach problems?

Donna


Re: RE Fat Paso

Jeanie
 

Tracy, I am sorry if I forgot his foot status, but if he is not laminitic,
your comment "For now maybe I can keep him up in our 60' round pen " indicates
that you do have a way to exercise him. If he is not laminitic or in the
process of regrowing good laminar attachment post laminitis, just longe him 20
minutes a day at least 3 times a week and that will help a lot. More
exercise is better, but I seem to recall that is about the minimum needed. If he is
laminitic or post laminitic though, then that would not work because
circling work could weaken the new laminae growing in.
Jeanie



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Re: Treats, Was: Kellogg's Cracklin' Oats ?

Melissa
 

Are you giving regular tums or sugar-free tums?
melissa, callie and lil' bit
las vegas, nv

 






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Re: Treats, Was: Kellogg's Cracklin' Oats ?

 

And one of my favorites is mint flavored TUMS (generic brand). And
they don't get messy in your pockets.
They're safe? Not too much sugar?
--

Sandy Su
Two tablets have the same carbs (1g) and sugar (1g) as a medium stalk of celery
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2396/2
plus approx half a gram of calcium.
I started using them after seeing they have less carb/sugar than most "sugar-free" candy,
including "sugar-free" peppermints. And I don't give them out by the handful.

Patti K
Vail AZ


Re: Help--off-the-charts levels for Kasha's bloodwork

grayarabiankasha <kvshopping@...>
 

Was Kasha at all excited at the time the bloodwork was drawn?
Amberlee, Kasha's blood was drawn very quickly (the vet was slick!) so
I don't think the stress had time to reach his blood; howeer, the draw
was at 2 p.m. while his perg dose (once daily) was at around 5 p.m. the
night before. Do you think it would have an effect on the results? I
had asked about this possibility, but the answers I got led me to
believe the results wouldn't be majorly skewed. What do you think?
Kathy & Kasha


Dr Kellon's new book!

Marla Spellenberg <ketakis_mom@...>
 

just arrived! Wow! I started skimming and ended up reading... it's
wonderful! and a great book to go along with our classes on nutrition!

Now all I have to do is figure out how to get her autograph!

me, marla with Kati and Savannah in sunny, warm MA


Re: Help--off-the-charts levels for Kasha's bloodwork

grayarabiankasha <kvshopping@...>
 

it could have been my Scooter you were describing!
Linda, Kasha currently has laminitis and his hooves are sinking as of
the last xrays (they are posted in the files). He is sore, of course. I
do use APF, so I will continue using it with the increase of pergolyde.
Please let me know what Scooter's new results are. Hopefully Dr Kellon
will give me some guidelines on how much to increase his perg--thanks
for your response--
Kathy & Kasha


Re: Safe treats, Was: Kellogg's Cracklin' Oats ?

Cindy McGinley
 

Skode's uses all-natural ingredients in her recipes. That's important to us.

- Cindy & Alf (and entourage) in NY


Re: 'Another discouraged blood work issue in a Pony....sigh .....

Jeanette
 

Julie -- Does the pony drive? If not, would she be amenable to a new
career or even maybe just a new hobby? ;-) Even a small pony can often
handle a light cart and small- to medium-sized adult...maybe that would
expand the exercise options.

Jeanette
Colorado

--- In EquineCushings@..., "bigwhitevan2002"
<bigwhitevan2002@...> wrote:
Yea looking into puttin her up on dreamhorse again for someone to
ponyclub on her again...she needs work..


Re: Newbie here with FAT Paso

Jeanette
 

Tracy --

I second Sandy re the garlic warning. Before I read about potential
problems with too much garlic I had used BugOff myself for two summers
here in Colorado, but quit because I didn't see that it did any good.
The only thing that changed as far as I could tell was that my barn
smelled like an equine pizza parlor. Much as I like horses, garlic and
pizza, I couldn't eat pizza for months after. I'm pretty sure the flies
didn't have the same problem :-D

Once you round up the supplies the "emergency diet" is quite do-able
until you can get a hay analysis back.

Good luck.

Jeanette
Colorado


Re: Safe treats, Was: Kellogg's Cracklin' Oats ?

Wendy Golding
 

Like Sandy, I read all the emails about Skodes and finally ordered -- they're GREAT and Rudy loves them!

Wendy G. (&Rudy)

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Sandra Su <ssu@...>
At 3:20 PM +0000 6/20/08, Claire C. Cox-Wilson wrote:
Skode's Horse Treats


Treats, Was: Kellogg's Cracklin' Oats ?

Sandra Su
 

At 3:20 PM +0000 6/20/08, Patti K wrote:
And one of my favorites is mint flavored TUMS (generic brand). And
they don't get messy in your pockets.
They're safe? Not too much sugar?
--

Sandy Su
ssu@...


Safe treats, Was: Kellogg's Cracklin' Oats ?

Sandra Su
 

At 3:20 PM +0000 6/20/08, Claire C. Cox-Wilson wrote:
Skode's Horse Treats
<http://www.skodeshorsetreats.com/>http://www.skodeshorsetreats.com/
(great cookie mixes you can bake yourself)
or Ms Red's Horse Cookies
<http://www.msredshorsecookies.com/>http://www.msredshorsecookies.com/
(very reasonably priced cookies)
Better safe than sorry.
Claire in AZ
I only knew about Skodes. Thanks for posting another option.
I guess the world is beginning to see there's a market for this kind
of horse treat.
So I ordered Penny's 2 favorite Skodes cookies and a mixture
of the 2 kinds Ms Red's offers. We'll see which my princess prefers.
I know she likes the Skodes, and I've been meaning to order them for
some time. This discussion inspired me to actually go do it.
Oh, boy! Penny's going to love me more than ever when all
these treats come in!
--

Sandy Su
ssu@...


Re: Kellogg's Cracklin' Oats ?

Sandra Su
 

At 3:20 PM +0000 6/20/08, Donna wrote:
I was reading the latest issues of The Horses Hoof and there's a small article on "The Perfect Horse Treat!". ... safe for EPSM horses. I don't know what EPSM and how it differs from IR,
There's a big difference. It's like comparing 2 different human diseases, let's say measels and mumps.

so I was wondering if this list knew anything about the Cracklin' Oats cereal.
No, but I can't think it's a good choice for a horse that can't eat a lot of sugar & starch.

I'm trying to find an inexpensive replacement for treats I like to use for clicker training.
Try celery cut into bite-size chunks. That's safe, if your horse likes it. Mine doesn't, but she's a fussy eater, anyway.
If that doesn't work, you can order Skodes Treats. My Picky Penny does like them very much. In fact, I've just been thinking how I should order some. they are not the cheapest treats, but they are safe, and there are mixes you can bake yourself, which may be a little cheaper than the ready-made Skodes Treats.

It seems most of the safe feeds I read about on this list aren't available to me in Phoenix. Or at least I can't find them.
Look in the files and see if a place near you is listed. See Beet Pulp Sources, I think. There are places listed where others have found feeds we consider safe, and one may be near you. Another option is to e-mail the company of the feeds you are looking for and see who's the closest dealer. But if your horse likes beet pulp, that's probably easier to find and cheaper, too.
--

Sandy Su
ssu@...


Re: Newbie here with FAT Paso - question about reply for Mandy

Mandy Woods
 

Tracy,
You dont need chromium in TN. There is map in the files where chromium is deficient in the US. Magnesium oxide is so inexpensive - and its actually more like $15 a 50# bag (I made a typo) that will last you years. Remission has other things you may not need. The mag/ox is the biggie. At the price of a bag of mag/ox you could add this to all your horses who probably need it too.
Since you have electric fencing, you could make a 'drylot' within their pasture so Salsero is still part of the gang. And yes, the taped shut muzzle creates some problems because you'd have to take it off several times a day to feed soaked hay if you chose not to make a drylot. You're absolutely correct about horses needing good food continuously going through their guts. Nobody said the protocol here is easy. Its different.
The bottom line is to feed *safe* food and to avoid founder at all cost.
Mandy


Re: Newbie here with FAT Paso

Sandra Su
 

At 3:20 PM +0000 6/20/08, Tracy Dore wrote:
Salsero is a 9 yo Paso Fino gelding.
I have had him for about 2.5 years now. He is on pasture 24/7 with
two buddies. He gets a handful (I barely cover the bottom of his
feed pail) of Strategy 1x a day so I can get a supplement called
Remission in him (been on that maybe 2 months now)
Mandy gave you good advice about changing his diet. Do that
ASAP, since Salsero is in real danger of laminitis.

and BugOff Garlic to help with ticks and flies.
Garlic is not good for horses. Search the old messages about
it. It was mentioned quite a bit a while ago. Basically, I think it
causes something called Heinz anemia in horses if they get too much
garlic, and even a little can't be good. There is no definite proof
that giving a horse garlic repels insects, anyway. Your money will
be better spent on a good bug spray. I like Ultrashield, myself.
Recently, there was some mention of neem oil. I've never tried it,
but it sounds good. Check old messages for more info on that, if you
want to try it.

Even with a grazing muzzle he's fat. His neck is cresty. He does not
seem lethargic nor do his feet seem to bother him.
You are very lucky that he hasn't foundered already. It
sounds to me like he's IR. That means that changing his diet is of
utmost importance. Also, he needs exercise. That really helps, too.

She wants me to swing by and we'll try the Thyro-L and restest the
T4 in about 2 months.
Read up on Thyro-L. It has been useful in reducing weight.
See the old messages.

She said she thinks it couldn't hurt to consider putting him on the
new Purina Wellsolve or other low NSC food as well just to be safe.
That's a good idea, but Wellsolve isn't the safest feed out
there. That has recently been discussed, too, so search old messages
about Wellsolve and why other choices are better. If you use
rinsed/soaked/rinsed beet pulp as a carrier for the things you'll
add, you'll probably spend less, anyway. Besides, a lot of those
additives are in powder form, and the moist beet pulp makes them
stick better than pellets.

All that being said I have to admit neither of my horses have been
ridden in about 18 months.
You need to find a way to exercise them, especially Salsero.
If it's not possible for you to ride, might friends ride them for
you? Many horseless people would love a chance to ride. Maybe you can
get a babysitter a few times a week and start riding again?

Salsero sheds out his winter coat so I'm not very worried about Cushings.
He's too young, anyway. Yes, I think it's IR, not Cushing's.

At this point I am wondering if I go ahead with the Thyro-L?
OR
Do I have the vet come out and do more bloodwork and hold off on the
Thyro-L? And IS there an equine TSH test out there?
OR
Do I try a nutritional supplement to boost the thyroid - and if so
which one?
When his IR is under control, his thyroid may regulate
itself. Till then, it's a judgment call about using Thyro-L.

One concern - I stay home with our daughter so I want to spend money
wisely on this.
We understand. A lot of us are on a limited budget. The diet
changes you will make might actually be cheaper, though perhaps more
trouble and expense in the beginning.
For instance, you should start the emergency diet right away,
but as soon as you can, you should test your hay and then adjust
supplementation to what's lacking in the hay. Also, you will need to
soak your hay till you're sure (from the hay test) that the sugar
(ESC) and starch are less than 10%.
But first, the emergency diet. Once you have that set up, ask
about hay testing and move to the next step.
--

Sandy Su
ssu@...


Re: Dr Kellon's new book!

mchambers333@...
 

where did you buy the book ? I would love to purchase one.

Michelle L. Chambers



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Re: Newbie here with FAT Paso - question about reply for Mandy

Tracy Dore
 

Mandy -
I am catching up on reading all the info files...
Why should I stop the Remission and add the mag/ox?
I thought the Remission had magnesium (and chromium) that I should be
giving Salsero.
I am still reading through everything and printing stuff for my vet...

Thanks -
Tracy

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Mandy Woods"
<bittersweetfarm@...> wrote:

Stop the Remission. Get a 50# bag of Mag/Ox at the feed store for
$25. Get
your loose salt at Walmart for 33cents a box. Vitamin E in the
gelcaps too.
1000iu's twice a day.

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