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Re: Got 2 of 3 test results back...

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

Hi Ginger -

APF is a mixture of several adaptogens that many members have found helps their horse get over the veil that often comes with introducing pergolide, or increasing it. www.auburnlabs.com

Since your mare has been on pergolide for quite some time, I would suspect that just slowly introducing the increase would be fine.

I keep it on hand for when Pap gets his vax, or we trailer...anything that's a bit of a stress.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Got 2 of 3 test results back...

Ginger Reid
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Linda" <PapBallou@...> wrote:
Ok..will try that with tonights feeding! Don't know what ADF is...can you explain?

Ginger

Hi Ginger -

Just take one of your capsules and *unscrew* it, and put half the contents on the cookie or whatever you use to get the pergolide in and then put the capsule back together. I store my *cannibalized capsule* in a bead container until I need it. So she doesn't get lethargic, just start the first few days with 0.25mg increase and then go up to the 0.5mg. If you have APF on hand, use that, too.


Re: Got 2 of 3 test results back...

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

Hi Ginger -

Just take one of your capsules and *unscrew* it, and put half the contents on the cookie or whatever you use to get the pergolide in and then put the capsule back together. I store my *cannibalized capsule* in a bead container until I need it. So she doesn't get lethargic, just start the first few days with 0.25mg increase and then go up to the 0.5mg. If you have APF on hand, use that, too.

I didn't realize Max-e-glo had RB in it! Thought it was just flax. Great to know!

And you can get the BP with the molasses and just rinse the heck out of it and it will be OK to feed.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Got 2 of 3 test results back...

Ginger Reid
 


Does she have muscle loss/wasting as well?

Looking forward to seeing the insulin results.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004

I don't see as much muscle wasting as in the beginning, but have always been able to see some ribs...thought that perhaps I will always see some ribs with cushings...better than she was in the very beginning 3.5 yrs ago...but yes, she is showing symptoms again...so vet has ordered .5 mg. higher dosage now = my capsules are 1 mg. - would it be safe to give 2 capsules which would be 2 mg. and then continue with the 1.5 when they come in? I will have to get more beet pulp as it is scares and hard to find (non molasses)...will stop the veg. oil then...the max-e-glo has rice bran oil (stabilized) in it as well...always thought that was a safe fat to feed...
Ginger R.


Re: ODTB cubes and nose-it ball

briarskingstonnet <briars@...>
 

Just wondering if anybody has tried another type of treat dispenser with these cubes - maybe even a homemade version?
Suzanne,if you go here - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECPhotos/ - you will get a lot of ideas.That's one of our sister lists,for discussing things such as feeders.

Lorna in Ontario
Moderator
May 2002


Re: Oldest horse with Cushings

Megan Vogel
 

Teage is 31 diagnosed 2 yrs ago, happy and healthy as a 31 yr old
toothless wonder can be. But I believe Billy the "Wonder Pony" is tops. You would
have to look in the archives, I think he is pushing 50+?? Can't remember.
Dr. K has been working with him for several years.


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ODTB cubes and nose-it ball

countrysuz <countrysuz@...>
 

I just picked up his ODTB cubes today and am excited to see if he will eat them! I plan on giving them in a nose-it ball or an amazing graze dispenser outside so he can get out of his stall, keep himself occupied, and without the muzzle (in the roundpen, not pasture).

Anyways, both of those dispensers are around $50 or so with shipping - kind of expensive for me now. Just wondering if anybody has tried another type of treat dispenser with these cubes - maybe even a homemade version?

Thanks.

Suzanne, Florida
03/09
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how soon can I de-worm after finishing gastrogard?

countrysuz <countrysuz@...>
 

My guy just finished a 5-day course of gastrogard for possible ulcers and this treatment fell when he was supposed to get de-wormed.

How long do I have to wait until I de-worm him? I rotate wormers and for July it is the plain Zimecterin, not the gold.

Thanks.

Suzanne, Florida
03/09
mocko4.doc


Re: Powdered Pergolide - Ian Hugings' question

Colleen Harbison <ciharbison@...>
 

Ian,
     How much does powdered pergolide cost when you get a prescription from your vet and where do you purchase it?  Is there an on line source?  Take care, Collee

--- On Wed, 7/29/09, Ian Hudgings <ian@...> wrote:


From: Ian Hudgings <ian@...>
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re:Powdered Pergolide - Ian Hugings' question
To: EquineCushings@...
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 11:37 AM


 




Pergolide is a prescription medication so you will need a script from your vet.

-Ian
ThrivingPets
Colorado 2006

--- In EquineCushings@ yahoogroups. com, "Karen" <karendana@. ..> wrote:

And can I just order the capsules from you, or do I have to have a vet prescription for it?

Karen/nc/09


















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Safe Feeds Sources

susie_gordon <whitneygt@...>
 

I currently maintain the "SAFE FEEDS" Source list in the FILES section at the home page.

Sources are listed for Australia, Canada, and the United States with a few sources for the UK. I would like to add sources for Europe as well.

In the United States, sources are listed by state. This list is only as reliable as the information that is sent to me by the membership. If any of the information currently in the file is incorrect or no longer a valid option, please let me know.

If you have a source for molasses free beet pulp, Ontario Dehy Timothy Balanced Cubes, Sterrett Pellets, etc, please send:

Name of feed store
Street Address
City, State, and Postal Code
Name of contact (if any)
Phone number and/or facsimile number
webpage (if any)
Any other pertinent info to include such things as minimum orders and time frame for ordering

Send to:

Susie Gordon, MD
whitneygt "at" hughes "dot" net


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Oldest horse with Cushings

grayarabiankasha <kvshopping@...>
 

I hope I'm not going off topic, but I am curious--does anyone know the oldest ages (and/or average) of horses with Cushings and IR? I'll post on EQ Photos, too. Thanks
Kathy
SoCal
2003


Re: ODTB Cubes in Arizona?

grayarabiankasha <kvshopping@...>
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Susan" <sbaumgardner@...> wrote:


There are 3 feed stores in my area (SD ,Cal) that will bring in ODTBC if I order a pallet-40 bags.

Again, according to Triple Crown rep-any feed store that carries TC products CAN place an order for ODTBC. So far that has hasn't happened.
That is helpful info, Susan, thank you. I will find a way to get the cubes when I move to AZ. I can be very persistent and persuasive :-)

Kathy
SoCal
2003


Re: Repost :help balancing hay

Teresa Palumbo <teresa@...>
 

Monique,

You have had two responses to your previous requests. See messages
129649 and 131109.

Cheryl offered to help, but needs to know where your info is...a link to
your file would be a big help.

If Cheryl is no longer available to help, I am.



Teresa, Alixia and Ollie

Lititz,PA

October 2006

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--- In EquineCushings@..., "Monique Warren" <tink92065@...>
wrote:

No one has replied for my request to balance hay. >
Monique Warren
san diego
2007


Repost :help balancing hay

Monique Warren
 

I have had my results for 2 weeks now. No one has replied for my request to balance hay. My sister has the spreadsheet to do the minerals but I was really hoping to have a guru that has taken Dr. Kellons classes to do it for me. Always issues w/ each individual I would like to address ! I spend my time studying feet and would like someone that has taken the time to study diet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Any takers ?

Monique Warren
san diego
2007


Re: Got 2 of 3 test results back...

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 


Glucose - 105 (vet said this is in normal range of 75-117)
Insulin - not back yet
ACTH - 52
Hi Ginger -

Yes, the PPID is not controlled. It is possible she is in the fall rise, or the PPID is slowly progressing. Either way, upping the dose is appropriate. I suspect the insulin will be slightly elevated when you get that back.

and also add in veg. oil as she continues to stay just slightly ribby...
This is dangerous. Oil/fat in any form other than the essential fatty acids in your flax is *foreign* to the horses diet, and induces or worsens IR. See this post from Dr Kellon:

<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/message/106608>

There are many other studies in the archives but search simply doesn't search effectively at the moment.

To increase her weight, give her more safe feed. What about beet pulp? Are you soaking her hay since you can't test? Try to give her free choice of the hay and see if you can't get weight on her that way. As a bit of an older horse, she might not have enough protein in the diet as well. BP will help and whey protein at 30 grams/day. And, getting the PPID better controlled with help as well.

Does she have muscle loss/wasting as well?

Looking forward to seeing the insulin results.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Rafiq has rotated again ... (2x in 3wks)

lars_a_swe
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Shannon" <skgserenity@...> wrote:
Later today we expect the new boots to come in (Ultima? - not sure of the brand name), which will elevate his heels a few more degrees and take as much of the pressure off of the deep flexor tendons as possible

Hi Shannon,

This is not the proper forum for a discussion on mechanical issues. However, I just want to say that IMO there is a much better way to deal with a laminitic horse than to raise the heels.

I'm glad you're not thinking of cutting the DFT. It's not the tensile force in the DFT that causes separation and rotation, it's the tensile stress in the laminae.

Lars
July 2008


Got 2 of 3 test results back...

Ginger Reid
 

I will have to figure out how to post on the place to list all this...but it's been 3 weeks and I only have 2 of the 3 blood tests back from Texas A & M! Man...has never taken this long before!
What I have so far is

Glucose - 105 (vet said this is in normal range of 75-117)
Insulin - not back yet
ACTH - 52

My vet says that she def. needs higher dosage of pergolide...has been on 1 mg. for 3.5 yrs. now...he wants to up to 1.5 mg...this is not the original vet who ran original tests and prescribed the original dosage...

Would like some feedback on these numbers I have so far...

I buy my hay from 3-4 different sources and they have numerous pastures they cut from...so getting the hay analysed is very hard and expensive to do...I am feeding Purina Wellsolve L/S as her base feed and add in Max-E-Glo and (2) lg. scoops of Remission per day (was only 1 but I doubled it) and also add in veg. oil as she continues to stay just slightly ribby...she started showing a crest in her neck again after many years of not looking symptomatic...but then I knew we needed to get new bloodwork done...I would also think she has fat pockets about her eyes as with her age, they should be sunken in quite a bit? Coat is fine - she gets wooley in winter but always sheds out normally..

Cassie - 23 y/o Arabian mare
Ginger Reid - joined 3.5 yrs ago..


Re: Rafiq has rotated again ... (2x in 3wks)

Ronia van Gage <rvangage@...>
 

My thoughts are with you through this difficult journey. If possible could you switch to capsule form of Pergolide. Not too great on the conversion of 5 ml to grams but most average size horses are getting .75 to 1mg and eventually higher.
There is info on the files as to where to source Pergolide from approved sources.

Just worried about him not getting the actual dose into his system that he really needs and will help him through this crisis.

Hang in there and keep posting.


Ronia in TO
Member since August 2008

and perhaps more----- Original Message -----
From: Shannon
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 5:38 AM
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re:Rafiq has rotated again ... (2x in 3wks)

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