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Re: Rafiq has rotated again ... (2x in 3wks)

judy.parley <judy.parley@...>
 

Hi Shannon,

I totally sense your concern for Rafiq. Those darn four legged animals worm their way into our hearts and we do everything and anything to help them.

I was also told to keep my horse's heels high to avoid pull on the dft, but in our case, that was one of our main problems. As soon as the heels were lowered, she felt relief. We are still gradually lowering the heels and she is feeling much better. You may want to view this file before elevating Rafiq's heels. It's under: files, 2.ddt

Rafiq is currently eating soaked timothy hay only, with bute, ulcerguard, and soft-ride boots to try to alleviate some of the pull on the deep flexor tendon. Later today we expect the new boots to come in (Ultima? - not sure of the brand name), which will elevate his heels a few more degrees and take as much of the pressure off of the deep flexor tendons as possible (short of a sling).
There is also another file called: pain medication and alternatives .. that you may find useful.

Keep breathing, take a break for yourself and remember to be in positive spirits when around Rafiq.

Judy Parley
Taber AB
spring 09


devils claw

judy.parley <judy.parley@...>
 

I interested in finding out more information about the use of devils claw for arthritic horses. Is there information in one of this group's files about doseage, side effects etc? Forgive me if it's here somewhere as I've looked and looked and can't seem to find anything other than using devil's claw instead of bute.

The search engine for this site didn't turn up anything either even though I used the 'advanced' search.

Thanks in advance to the moderator who has volunteered for Sunday's posts!

Judy Parley
Taber AB
Spring 09


Re: Help Volunteers Help You

judy.parley <judy.parley@...>
 

Hi Susie.. thanks for the tips and so sorry for having to ask this but I've looked all over and can't seem to find anywhere to insert a signature line for a post. I apologize for my computer ignorance.

To obtain the best, most complete answers to your questions, we ask all members to include the link to your Case History in your signature line.

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Taber AB


Re: Got 2 of 3 test results back...

Saucier Kathy
 

Hi Ginger!
I know you from one of our other groups as well. Remember me.
Although I lost Magic over a year ago I still try to read the EC group digests and saw you on here.
I know that getting plain beet pulp is a bit far. I think the closest you can get is in Temple.
You've gotten good advice from everyone but I wanted to add about keeping that Pergolide dose up (& ACTH testing in the normal range).
One thing I failed to do was ever get our dosage up enough to get relief of symptoms and bring the ACTH into normal range. I was always behind the power curve. I don't know what normal range is from testing at A&M but sounds like it is above normal from other responses. Each time I tried to increase our dose, Magic would go off feed (the veil). I finally did start the APF and sure wish I had done this a whole year sooner.
So I wanted to encourage you to keep up with increasing the dose as needed and go with the APF. It isn't cheap but it helps if the dose gets to a point that Cassie gets lethargic or stops eating. We were somewhere around 3.5-4.0 mg Pergolide a day near the end.
Good luck.

Kathy Saucier
Up in North Texas
January 2005


help with IR horse feed diet

shawna.boll <shawna.boll@...>
 

is there any one out there that knows where one can get supuments, feed for IR horse there is nothing in my area and having no luck!! not sure if i even did this computer list thing right?? hope it gets posted.


have mustang with IR need help

shawna.boll <shawna.boll@...>
 

Hi, i have a Nokota horse that has IR, I need to find what type of menreal and feed i should feed him, i will probly have to order it, as no feed stores in my area carry any thing for IR horses.


Re: Fat pads in IR donkeys

briarskingstonnet <briars@...>
 

Once on a low s/s diet, how long did it take for them to get smaller?
Or did they ever get smaller? Go away?
Hi Claire,

I think one consideration is how long the darn things have been there.My theory is that the longer they have been there the longer they take to get rid of.Just a theory.
I'm working on that,too,with my mule.His pads are really out of control,I'm ashamed to say.His winter coat hid a lot,but I've been going back over old pix,trying to get a handle on things and although the pads along his back/tail head/shoulders have been smaller in the last 2 years,his crest has never been properly controlled.
At the moment he has been on ODTBC for a month+,no grass(before that I thought I could manage things by allowing him to go out after dark and come in early in the morning.Nope.),4,000 E instead of the usual.
His pads are diminishing but it is agonizingly slow.
His crest is a tad softer,and it is decreasing from front to back,and back to front,in tiny amounts,as opposed to getting lower in height.

Lorna in Ontario
Moderator
May 2002


Fat pads in IR donkeys

Claire C. Cox-Wilson <shotgun.ranch@...>
 

Can you all share your experiences with me about donkeys with fat pads?
Once on a low s/s diet, how long did it take for them to get smaller?
Or did they ever get smaller? Go away?
Did you exercise your donkey? How?
Gus, one of the donkeys we adopted from a rescue the end of Dec. came to us with some pretty impressive fat pads. It's hard to tell since I see him every day, but I don't think they really haven't gotten smaller. But they're definitely changing shape. It seems like they have more creases in them....kind of like they're breaking up. I don't know if that makes any sense....
Any donkey owners notice such a thing?

Claire in AZ
EC List Moderator
Aug. 2000

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Re: ODTB cubes and nose-it ball

S Gordon, MD <whitneygt@...>
 

Hi, Suzanne,

I maintain the "Safe Feeds" file in the FILES section at EC List. Could you
please let me know where you purchased the OD Balanced Timothy Cubes so that
I can add it to my list (File 3a)?

I need to make sure it is the CORRECT timothy cubes that you have purchased
as Ontario Dehy makes a generic timothy cube that is not balanced to Dr.
Kellon's specifications. Could you please confirm that the bag you
purchased has a LAVENDER tag? If the lavender tag is present, then I know
it is, indeed, the Balanced timothy cube and not the Generic timothy cube.

Thank you for your help.

Regards,

Susie Gordon, MD
EC List Moderator
Midwestern United States
November 2003


Re: Got 2 of 3 test results back...

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

Hi Ginger -

APF is a mixture of several adaptogens that many members have found helps their horse get over the veil that often comes with introducing pergolide, or increasing it. www.auburnlabs.com

Since your mare has been on pergolide for quite some time, I would suspect that just slowly introducing the increase would be fine.

I keep it on hand for when Pap gets his vax, or we trailer...anything that's a bit of a stress.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Got 2 of 3 test results back...

Ginger Reid
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Linda" <PapBallou@...> wrote:
Ok..will try that with tonights feeding! Don't know what ADF is...can you explain?

Ginger

Hi Ginger -

Just take one of your capsules and *unscrew* it, and put half the contents on the cookie or whatever you use to get the pergolide in and then put the capsule back together. I store my *cannibalized capsule* in a bead container until I need it. So she doesn't get lethargic, just start the first few days with 0.25mg increase and then go up to the 0.5mg. If you have APF on hand, use that, too.


Re: Got 2 of 3 test results back...

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

Hi Ginger -

Just take one of your capsules and *unscrew* it, and put half the contents on the cookie or whatever you use to get the pergolide in and then put the capsule back together. I store my *cannibalized capsule* in a bead container until I need it. So she doesn't get lethargic, just start the first few days with 0.25mg increase and then go up to the 0.5mg. If you have APF on hand, use that, too.

I didn't realize Max-e-glo had RB in it! Thought it was just flax. Great to know!

And you can get the BP with the molasses and just rinse the heck out of it and it will be OK to feed.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Got 2 of 3 test results back...

Ginger Reid
 


Does she have muscle loss/wasting as well?

Looking forward to seeing the insulin results.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004

I don't see as much muscle wasting as in the beginning, but have always been able to see some ribs...thought that perhaps I will always see some ribs with cushings...better than she was in the very beginning 3.5 yrs ago...but yes, she is showing symptoms again...so vet has ordered .5 mg. higher dosage now = my capsules are 1 mg. - would it be safe to give 2 capsules which would be 2 mg. and then continue with the 1.5 when they come in? I will have to get more beet pulp as it is scares and hard to find (non molasses)...will stop the veg. oil then...the max-e-glo has rice bran oil (stabilized) in it as well...always thought that was a safe fat to feed...
Ginger R.


Re: ODTB cubes and nose-it ball

briarskingstonnet <briars@...>
 

Just wondering if anybody has tried another type of treat dispenser with these cubes - maybe even a homemade version?
Suzanne,if you go here - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECPhotos/ - you will get a lot of ideas.That's one of our sister lists,for discussing things such as feeders.

Lorna in Ontario
Moderator
May 2002


Re: Oldest horse with Cushings

Megan Vogel
 

Teage is 31 diagnosed 2 yrs ago, happy and healthy as a 31 yr old
toothless wonder can be. But I believe Billy the "Wonder Pony" is tops. You would
have to look in the archives, I think he is pushing 50+?? Can't remember.
Dr. K has been working with him for several years.


Megan, Guy and Teage
Frederick, MD/Lovettsville, VA
August 2003
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ODTB cubes and nose-it ball

countrysuz <countrysuz@...>
 

I just picked up his ODTB cubes today and am excited to see if he will eat them! I plan on giving them in a nose-it ball or an amazing graze dispenser outside so he can get out of his stall, keep himself occupied, and without the muzzle (in the roundpen, not pasture).

Anyways, both of those dispensers are around $50 or so with shipping - kind of expensive for me now. Just wondering if anybody has tried another type of treat dispenser with these cubes - maybe even a homemade version?

Thanks.

Suzanne, Florida
03/09
mocko4.doc


how soon can I de-worm after finishing gastrogard?

countrysuz <countrysuz@...>
 

My guy just finished a 5-day course of gastrogard for possible ulcers and this treatment fell when he was supposed to get de-wormed.

How long do I have to wait until I de-worm him? I rotate wormers and for July it is the plain Zimecterin, not the gold.

Thanks.

Suzanne, Florida
03/09
mocko4.doc


Re: Powdered Pergolide - Ian Hugings' question

Colleen Harbison <ciharbison@...>
 

Ian,
     How much does powdered pergolide cost when you get a prescription from your vet and where do you purchase it?  Is there an on line source?  Take care, Collee

--- On Wed, 7/29/09, Ian Hudgings <ian@...> wrote:


From: Ian Hudgings <ian@...>
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re:Powdered Pergolide - Ian Hugings' question
To: EquineCushings@...
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 11:37 AM


 




Pergolide is a prescription medication so you will need a script from your vet.

-Ian
ThrivingPets
Colorado 2006

--- In EquineCushings@ yahoogroups. com, "Karen" <karendana@. ..> wrote:

And can I just order the capsules from you, or do I have to have a vet prescription for it?

Karen/nc/09


















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Safe Feeds Sources

susie_gordon <whitneygt@...>
 

I currently maintain the "SAFE FEEDS" Source list in the FILES section at the home page.

Sources are listed for Australia, Canada, and the United States with a few sources for the UK. I would like to add sources for Europe as well.

In the United States, sources are listed by state. This list is only as reliable as the information that is sent to me by the membership. If any of the information currently in the file is incorrect or no longer a valid option, please let me know.

If you have a source for molasses free beet pulp, Ontario Dehy Timothy Balanced Cubes, Sterrett Pellets, etc, please send:

Name of feed store
Street Address
City, State, and Postal Code
Name of contact (if any)
Phone number and/or facsimile number
webpage (if any)
Any other pertinent info to include such things as minimum orders and time frame for ordering

Send to:

Susie Gordon, MD
whitneygt "at" hughes "dot" net


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