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Re: low starch/sugar feed

Saucier Kathy
 

Jennifer,
Hi from a fellow Texan in the DFW area.
Ditto to Susan's response. Check out the 3a Safe Feeds file & look under TX.
The ODTB cubes are your easiest route. To find a Triple Crown dealer, if you don't know of one, check with the contacts under TX - Jerral Seale or the evergreenmills.com contact to find one. They may even know what feedstore is closest to you that carries them. The TC Lite is a choice to feed for getting supplements and medications fed, also.
And if you go the route of beet pulp to feed safe calories and carry supplements, check the contact on that same file called Jupe Mills/Wendland's in Temple TX. Last I knew, they still carried the molasses free plain beet pulp.
Kathy Saucier
Jan 2005
Carrollton, TX
(& in memory of Magic who inspired me to combine the TX people to campaign for the ODTB cubes be brought to TX)


Re: Previcox (equioxx), farriers formula, and other questions

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

In
the meantime, perhaps I can add biotin to his cubes?
Hi Lois -

Sure thing - I'd give him at least 20mg/day.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Previcox (equioxx), farriers formula, and other questions

Lois Stanfield <loisstanfield@...>
 

Thank you Cindy. Maybe this is enough to make me try it anyway. Anything¹s
better than bute.

Any answers out there about feeding this (previcox/equioxx) in addition to
doxy?

Lois & Zeke
9/09 MN


On 11/16/09 10:48 PM, "Cindy Martin" <maddogranch@...> wrote:


I'm not a vet, but I have two horses who get 1/2 of a 227 mg Previcox
tablet


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Re: Previcox (equioxx), farriers formula, and other questions

Stuart Jacob <sjacob1875@...>
 

Is it safe to give a a horse with laminitis Timothy Orchid Alfalfa cubes (aren't they very high in protein)?

Stu
Bucks County, PA
2009



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Aren't you feeding the ODTBC?


Re: Previcox (equioxx), farriers formula, and other questions

Lois Stanfield <loisstanfield@...>
 

Okay. Thanks, Linda. How I look forward to the day I can have Zeke on J. In
the meantime, perhaps I can add biotin to his cubes?

Lois & Zeke
9/09 MN

On 11/17/09 12:33 AM, "Linda" <PapBallou@...> wrote:

Aren't you feeding the ODTBC? You do not need to add another mineral
supplement since the cubes are already balanced. You might want to look at a
plain biotin product. Also, when you are able to switch to J, you will
probably find as many others have, that the increased circulation grows a foot
faster.


Re: sinking founder

Lois Stanfield <loisstanfield@...>
 

Mandy,

Do you suppose that LS fed with Equioxx would also negate each other? Or
jiogulan with equioxx?

Thanks,
Lois & Zeke
9/09 MN

On 11/17/09 7:56 AM, "Mandy Woods" <bittersweetfarm@...> wrote:


YES. I fed LS double dose for years. I also fed it with bute. Little did I
know that they negate each other.


Re: sinking founder

Lois Stanfield <loisstanfield@...>
 

Hi, Missy--

I am interested! Thanks for this insight. I would never have known to keep
Zeke¹s legs and feet warm to promote healing. Temps hover around 0 or below
in these parts through January & February, and we are not in a heated barn.
So I¹ll need to get something for Zeke¹s legs.

I tried to find a heated barn to move Zeke to for the winter, but no one
would have us. There is a lot of fear about founder and I think various barn
owners were afraid he would be DOA. So we¹ll have to stick it out where we
are for now...

Thanks,

Lois & Zeke
9/09 MN


On 11/17/09 8:09 AM, "Melissa Libby" <bigredpony@...> wrote:

A friend sent me this link for Whinny Warmers, which
look like fun and I'm going to get some to try. I can let the group know
how well they work, if anyone is interested.
http://www.whinnywarmers.com/products.html


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Re: Soaking Hay and Vitamin E

Lois Stanfield <loisstanfield@...>
 

Stu,

My horse is very, very picky, and quite certain I am trying to poison him to
death these days. But the soft gels he eats right out of my hand with a
little TCL (or a small handful of what¹s left of my abandoned ReLeve).
They¹re chewy and probably taste okay when mixed with a little of the feed.
He has never spit one out.

He¹ll also eat them if I throw them in his food, but I¹ve started giving him
the Vit E and pergolide capsules in my hand now to be certain they are not
lost.

Lois & Zeke
9/09 MN

On 11/18/09 8:45 PM, "Stuart Jacob" <sjacob1875@...> wrote:


Sorry for being so thick, but soft gels or water soluble, or is that the same
thing?


Re: Soaking Hay and Vitamin E

Missy Libby
 

I always get the softgels. Not sure what the water soluble thing is. The
softgels are available everywhere and mine will basically dissolve in
the warm water.
Missy and Abby in Maine
Nov 2008

-----Original Message-----
From: EquineCushings@...
[mailto:EquineCushings@...] On Behalf Of Stuart Jacob

Sorry for being so thick, but soft gels or water soluble, or is that the
same thing?


Balancing trace minerals question

donna <donnajbrowne@...>
 

I'm working on my mineral analysis and this new hay has higher iron
than I'm used to balancing. I've read the instructions and have a
question about the Fe:Cu ratio vs the Copper not exceeding 4XNRC
value. Which is more important? If I add Copper to make the fe:cu
ratio 4 :1, the Copper = 5.86 X NRC. If I adjust the copper so Copper
= 4X NRC, the fe:cu ratio is 5.9:1 which is still in the acceptable
not > than 10:1 range, but is not the target 4:1.

I put a copy of my analysis and my new worksheet in my folder (link
below). It is currently adjusted to keep Copper = 4X NRC. If you
alter the copper to 435, it will be balanced for an fe:cu 4:1.

Which way should I go? Thanks for your help.

--
Donna Browne
Scottsdale, AZ
May 2008
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory2/files/Donna%20Browne%20and%20Lady/


Re: Soaking Hay and Vitamin E

Stuart Jacob <sjacob1875@...>
 

Sorry for being so thick, but soft gels or water soluble, or is that the same thing?

Stu
Bucks County, PA
2009



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Vit E is simple and one less thing
to worry about.


Re: Cipex - PLEASE comment

cindydaigre
 

Hi,
I used Cipex on an older navicular mare who had previously been on Isoxoprine. The Cipex is in pellet form, palatable and is all herbal. It worked as well as the Isox for her. She is not IR-very arthritic though.
Thanks,
Cindy Daigre

--- In EquineCushings@..., "JMF" <jane@...> wrote:

Question: PLEASE COMMENT!!!!
New-new farrier recommended Cipex, a combination of Active Ingredients: Hawthorne, Buckwheat, Nettle, Willow, Meadowsweet, Rosehip, Echinacea

Miss Kitty is on Thyroid_L any problems with interactions?

More info FYI

Good news:
I have located a natural trim farrier who frequents my area!!! The first thing he wanted to know was what I was feeding my horse, what herbs/supplemnets etc...told me exactly how to make temporary pads until he can get out here....He talked intelligently about IR...Yippee and Praise God!

Bad news is x-rays showed 5 degrees rotation near-fore 6.5 in off-fore. However Kitty is not lame at all at a walk.

Thanks,
Jane and Miss Kitty
NE MS
10/09


Re: Soaking Hay and Vitamin E

Missy Libby
 

Stu, the Vit E is a slam dunk. Don't over think it. I get mine from Rite
Aid, usually a Buy I get 1 free deal. Just get the 400 or 1000IU gel
caps, whichever is cheaper. You can also get them at the grocery store,
CVS, Costco. Fortunately, there's no rocket science involved with them.
They're one of the simpler things to add to TJ's diet. I put mine into
Abby's TCL that I add warm water to and it makes them nice and squishy.
She doesn't know they're in there, not that she even cares. You're doing
great. Simplify where/when you can. Vit E is simple and one less thing
to worry about.
Missy and Abby in Maine
Nov 2008

-----Original Message-----
From: EquineCushings@...
[mailto:EquineCushings@...] On Behalf Of Stuart Jacob

Is there any type of Vit. E I should stay away from?


Re: Cipex - PLEASE comment

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

New-new farrier recommended Cipex, a combination of Active Ingredients: Hawthorne, Buckwheat, Nettle, Willow, Meadowsweet, Rosehip, Echinacea
Jane -

Hadn't heard of Cipex so googled it and first hits were for an organization devoted to BDSM! OY!!!

Only two previous posts here on the list from over 5 years ago about cipex here on the list:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/message/51086
Frankly, would pass on it since it has not been discussed/advised for here, and go for jioagulan when your horse is ready (off bute - if she's on it).

Bad news is x-rays showed 5 degrees rotation near-fore 6.5 in off-fore. However Kitty is not lame at all at a walk.
Don't stress here. There might be some movement (rotation) of the coffin bone but toes that are too long often give the *illusion* of rotation. And I can assure you that most often, toes are too long! It might not be as bad as you're thinking. Just have the images available for when the trimmer comes for the appointment.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Soaking Hay and Vitamin E

Stuart Jacob <sjacob1875@...>
 

Still breathing....or maybe I should say panting. I keep saying the same thing over and over...thanks for all the help and kind thoughts (boy, I sound like the Good Witch in the Wizard of Oz.) Is there any type of Vit. E I should stay away from? I noticed that some are cut with different ingredients and was wondering if anyone has had an adverse effect from the additives.

Stu
Bucks County, PA
2009



________________________________


Are you still breathing??


Re: Icelandic gelding - Numi

Missy Libby
 

Mandy, have you just tossed a gauntlet our way? Sorry, Moderators,
couldn't resist!

Missy and Abby, in Always Willing to Help (cuz that's just the way we
are) MAINE

-----Original Message-----
From: EquineCushings@...
[mailto:EquineCushings@...] On Behalf Of Mandy Woods

Welcome to the list. I think the Canadian contingency is way ahead of
the Mainers now! Maybe we have a friendly competition going on to help
newbies!


Cipex - PLEASE comment

JMF <jane@...>
 

Question: PLEASE COMMENT!!!!
New-new farrier recommended Cipex, a combination of Active Ingredients: Hawthorne, Buckwheat, Nettle, Willow, Meadowsweet, Rosehip, Echinacea

Miss Kitty is on Thyroid_L any problems with interactions?

More info FYI

Good news:
I have located a natural trim farrier who frequents my area!!! The first thing he wanted to know was what I was feeding my horse, what herbs/supplemnets etc...told me exactly how to make temporary pads until he can get out here....He talked intelligently about IR...Yippee and Praise God!

Bad news is x-rays showed 5 degrees rotation near-fore 6.5 in off-fore. However Kitty is not lame at all at a walk.

Thanks,
Jane and Miss Kitty
NE MS
10/09


Re: Icelandic gelding - Numi

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Cindy,
Welcome to the list. I think the Canadian contingency is way ahead of the Mainers now! Maybe we have a friendly competition going on to help newbies! Texas was the biggest group but Canada takes it all!!!

This is great that you are familiar with the Files. We are light years ahead of vet schools and vets in the field. Keep reading ~ its is amazing whats here at your finger tips. This list evolves daily so dont get too comfortable.

I would say Numi is IR. He could be PPID also. Next time you decide to test, ask for the Endogenous ACTH test. Then get Insulin and Glucose from the same draw. A thyroid panel would be nice too.

Numi's IR symptoms are low stamina, chewing on trees could be excessive hunger, lame. His PPID symptoms are lame, swollen sheath with excess smegma, unusual sweating, founder, extra coat etc.

So we implement the DDT/E's which you have. Diagnosis is by bloodwork. Have an Insulin/Glucose #? That will confirm IR. Start the Temporary Emergency Diet tomorrow. Soak that hay! Remove all graze, grains, treats, fruits, etc. Even the eaten down paddock could be too high in sugar for him. Drylot. The ODTB cubes are perfect. Feed him 1.5% his weight in dry cubes...spread it over 4 meals a day. Just add vitamin E, freshly ground flax seed and loose iodized table salt. Recipe in the "start here'' file. You can give him a flake of soaked hay for 'chew time. Your long range goal is to test your hay and have minerals balanced to it. All your equines will benefit from this diet!

Trim a balanced foot with toes backed and heels down. Boots and pads will make him comfortable and keep his feet warm. Polos or shipping boots too. Blanket him if he cant move around to warm up. Warm water to drink is nice too!

Exercise if he is able. Listen to him. Muzzle him if he wants to go out with his buddies but there is stuff to eat. Tape the hole shut.

You say "all is in the normal range''. Plug in your I/G numbers in this calulator. We not only check the lab normal ranges, we check the I/G ratio, the RISQI and MIRG score. IR is managed by a low sugar/starch Diet. PPID is treated with pergolide. We get compounded pergolide for equines as Lorna explained. The powder/capsule form has the longest shelf life.

http://www.freil.com/~mlf/IR/ir.html

You are not back at square one. Actually, you have passed GO and get to collect $200! You and Numi have landed in the right place. If you follow the guidlines presented on this list and follow all of them together you will see an amazing transformation.

Read, ask questions and we'll help.

Mandy in VA
EC First Responder
OCT 2003

http://www.ecirhorse.com/


Re: new member - trying to help Loki

CathyF <cathyfieldday@...>
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Mandy Woods" <bittersweetfarm@...> wrote:
EA and Chris recommended the 601 test by NIR. She said it has the same mineral profile as 603. Before you decide tho ~ I want you to read message # 116266 by Joan who is one of our resident scientist. Just something to consider.
Thanks, I read thru that set of messages. I'm still tending toward doing the 601 so I can afford to test all 3 hays. Maybe I'll do the 603 on next year's harvest of either 1st or 2nd, whichever tests better this year. I guess I'm lucky to have a barn full of different hays to choose from! It looks like I can get a hay corer from our extension office. On Sunday we'll put in some new fences to steal back the dry lot area from the cattle. Poor Loki will be in a brown spot surrounded by a sea of green, but that sea is dangerous. My husband's being a very good "Daddy" thru all of this!

Cathy & Loki
ME 11/09


Re: Jasmine & Opie

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

Should I continue with beet pulp or would switching to a grass hay cube for the supplements be better once the beet pulp is gone? I can ask my feed store to order the grass hay cubes.
Hi Jan -

I am going to have to let someone else look over your spreadsheets...I can only do the balancing by hand in my own little way...

I think it's interesting that your hay is as low in s/s as it is, considering where it's grown! While it is indeed below the guideline of 10% s/s, you need to go on how well the horses are doing. For some, knocking on the door that's that close to the limit just won't cut it. I would stick with the BP and not add the grass cubes since you won't know what their s/s content is...unless it's the ODTBC.

Higher NFCs can cause gut disturbances, so it's important that these hays are introduced slowly. But your horses have been on it for awhile, so it's not an issue. NFCs tend to give a bigger yummy factor :-) Actually, what you are feeding is rather close to what I have out here in NFCs.

I assume I keep feeding the 2,000mg Vit E and flax.
Yes.

You will find all the minerals you need at HorseTech as well. I recently switched to them since they are cheaper, shipping is included, and they send you packages of Famous Amos cookies...I'm just sayin'. They also have flax.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004

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