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Re: Mineral - no way hose'!!

Kathy Baker <kindredspirit58@...>
 

You can get a Variety Sample Pack of 10 flavors from Witchey Lady
Creations<

I looked on the site but did not see this. Any suggestions?

Kathy Baker
Follow Your Bliss Farm
Midway TN
"For lack of a better word, I've taken to calling this the horse's spirit.
The older I get, the more I have come to believe that this aspect of the
horse is the most important and the most overlooked." Tom Dorrance


Turmeric for arthritic conditions?

Jill Allsopp
 

Anyone heard of/fed the spice turmeric for easing stiff joints? And would it be okay with Cushings/IR horses where you can't really give them glucosamine?
My old lady Sabria (31) will eat only soaked food and grass, no forage at all. Her teeth are checked and are fine - I am wondering whether her jaw is stiff and painful. There have been reports over here (UK) of arthritic horses responding well, with or without Devils Claw, so could be worth a try. What does anyone think?
Jill
Shropshire UK
Member since 2009


Re: Abscess?Ellie/was:hay test

Missy Libby
 

So did Abby.
Missy and Abby in Maine
Nov 2008

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From: EquineCushings@...
[mailto:EquineCushings@...] On Behalf Of Lorna

Drummer did this when he was brewing abscesses.


Help for new member in dealing with oral ulcers

Carlynne Allbee
 

Dee,
 
You posted:  "The biggest problem is the oral abcess which is not responding to antibiotics. The area has been x-rayed but the vet is unable to remove the infected tooth without operating on her. "
 
An oral abcess to me is a sore in the mouth, but different from an abcessed tooth.   Which does she have?  I ask because it might make a difference to people who can offer suggestions.  For example, when I have a sore in my mouth, I would use warm salt water or hydrogen peroxide.  An abcessed tooth needs antibiotics.
 
Sending healing thoughts,
 
Carlynne Allbee
Lakeside, CA Mar 07




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Re: Abscess?Ellie/was:hay test

Lorna <briars@...>
 

However another things she's done a week or two ago was biting at >her hoof, on the inside of the left front (the one she's having >problems with now) while she was laying down.
Drummer did this when he was brewing abscesses.I used to soak 2 or 3 times a day...as often as I could manage.Davis boots were great for this because I could leave Drummer while I did other things,and know his foot was contained.

Lorna in Ontario
Support/Moderator
2002


Re: Mineral - no way hose'!!

 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "teddy_and_hero"
<littleblackchevy@...> wrote:

I am experimenting on how to get the horses to eat/except their
minerals and so far failing...


Hi Jen,

Did you find the "Picky eater's checklist
<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kPuvS1OZ8v8-LAvj8E3t4Nv2Mjw1xF4zul_mnRgQEz\;
OPkUhf_qR0ze76IxNm9uhLRVsGmYrbkHByeANO9qI/8%20Pulling%20it%20Together/Pi&#92;
cky%20eater%27s%20checklist.pdf> " in the files? I've used herbal teas
and they seem to like those. When I do that I add the tea right before
feeding to the mix of beet pulp and/or hay pellets that's already
soaked. When I use different herbs as flavorings (anise seed, spearmint,
peppermint, etc) I just sprinkle a few pinches on top of their feed.
I've heard beet root powder is excellent but I've never tried it. You
can get a Variety Sample Pack of 10 flavors from Witchey Lady Creations
- that would give yo a number of things to try.

Hope this helps.

Barb in western CO (with Sierra, Libby, Josie the donkey and Lola)
2005
EC List Support Team

www.ecirhorse.com


Re: Chantilly -Digital Limb Perfusion

jgpigger
 

Hi Karen
When I watch her she does not want to bend that knee and places her foot way out in front and then limps forward.
This is the motion or pretty darn close to what Ellie's movement is? Thats why I think its a tendon/ligament problem.
Hope things look better tomorrow for your girl. candy 2010/1


Re: Abscess?Ellie/was:hay test

jgpigger
 

Hi Lorna
i don't think so there was a creek and she wouldn't cross it because of the ice over it. Ellie's always been lame, better than when we started in Dec. but never without sore footedness. It was about a week or so ago that I brought the horses in from outside and it was windy and cold so they got to the arena and all three of them, (Ellie being one of them) started running and bucking and jumping. I told Ellie she should slow down as she's probably going to pay for her antics. Well, here you have it! That's why I think its a pulled tendon/ligament issue. However another things she's done a week or two ago was biting at her hoof, on the inside of the left front (the one she's having problems with now) while she was laying down. I sat down by her and felt around and found nothing but she really didn't want me probing in that area. She also for the last week or two has been biting at her left side, near her shoulder, or as close to it as she can bend. I told her the other day, "I know you're trying to tell me something, it has to do with the left side, but where or what is it?" Tonight when I was cleaning her stall, she dropped her head and bit at that left foot, but only for a moment. So as for Ellie getting better, yes, but quickly we've made another turn. It has to do with the left side.
I spoke with an animal communicator the other day and she said that Ellie says she has a sore left shoulder, ummm? However, there is something that is causing this shoulder to be sore? Is it an abcess?
I am going to soak her foot in epsom salt tomorrow and do some Equine Muscle work on her to help her relax and maybe something will give soon? I didn't bute her tonight, so I am sure tomorrow she'll be really sore. Not sure if I should leave her in her stall or take her to the arena? Would an abcess open quicker with the movement, but without a diagnoisis of a tendon issue I run the risk of injurying that more. What's a mother to do? Thanks hope this clears up a few things. candy 2010/1 U.P. of Michigan


Candy,I'm missing something here,so please be patient?

Could this be the missing link to her new discomfort?


Lorna in Ontario
Support/Moderator
2002


Re: Chantilly -Digital Limb Perfusion

 

Karen" <karen@...> wrote:
Has anyone had this problem? I am hoping and praying you will tell me this is not permanent. I will be so sad if I have hurt her forever when I was only trying to help.
Hi Karen,

I don't have any answers for you. I just want to tell you to take a deep breath and don't assume the worst. And most importantly of all, don't be hard on yourself. I know that's all easier said than done though.

When I read your posts and see all that you do and have done for Tilly - I'm just in awe. You're definitely an inspiration with your love and dedication to Tilly.

Barb in western CO (with Sierra, Libby, Josie the donkey and Lola)
2005
EC List Support Team

www.ecirhorse.com


Re: abcesses

 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "jgpigger" <forpets@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if I should not give Ellie anymore bute if it is an abcess. Thanks candy 2010/1 U.P. of Michigan
Candy,

No bute if it may be an abscess. Actually no bute if you don't know exactly what it is you're dealing with. Can make diagnosis more difficult for the vet, harder for you to monitor any changes in her condition and may allow her to injure herself more (if she is injured) because pain is actually protective against the horse doing something that will cause more damage.

Barb in western CO (with Sierra, Libby, Josie the donkey and Lola)
2005
EC List Support Team

www.ecirhorse.com


Re: Abscess?Ellie/was:hay test

Lorna <briars@...>
 

See Ellie has never "really" gotten better since I started this low s/s diet etc. Her lameness got less, but never great. She has lost some weight, and appeared more chipper, but when she'd come into the barn and hit the cement floor she would walk gingerly. thanks for your help,
Candy,I'm missing something here,so please be patient?

On March 10 I read your message 139734.You were thrilled, saying how wonderful Ellie was and thanking everyone for their help.

On March 11,I read your message 139754 ,in which you were asking if the dead winter grass would really hurt her.

Did she get to use that little hill of dead grass?
Could this be the missing link to her new discomfort?


Lorna in Ontario
Support/Moderator
2002


Mineral - no way hose'!!

teddy_and_hero <littleblackchevy@...>
 

Good evening!

I was hoping to get a little help.

I am experimenting on how to get the horses to eat/except their minerals and so far failing...

They love the no molasses beet pulp/flax seed/Vit E mix, but as soon as I added the minerals they need, no go! I also tried adding some soaked hay cubes to the mix and still turned up noses!

I tried the low side feed pans, lowering the amount to just get them started. The next step that I am trying tomorrow is putting them into some kind of treats I made up. But, I don't want to always have to feed it to them that way if not necessary, but I am hoping this will make it less strange to them for the first few days/weeks. Then I will switch back to just tossing it into their beet pulp.

I also was wondering thinking about trying some peppermint, chamomile or fengreek, but don't know what would be safe amounts or if just making it into a tea will be safe amounts. I figure the tea could be used to soak into the beet pulp or hay cubes with the minerals mixed in?

Anyone have the same problem?

Thanks!
Jen K
Felton, PA
Teddy - Cushings


abcesses

jgpigger
 

Does anyone know if I should not give Ellie anymore bute if it is an abcess. Thanks candy 2010/1 U.P. of Michigan


Re: Abscess?Ellie/was:hay test

jgpigger
 

Hi Linda
No I did not know that could happen. I kept thinking that maybe there was an abscess brewing but nothing. I fear having someone start digging around in her foot and finding nothing.
How would I go about soaking it? Epsom salts with hot water for how long?Does the water have to go over the top of the cornet band or just the lower part of the hoof?
I do have some Epsom salt somewhere.
See Ellie has never "really" gotten better since I started this low s/s diet etc. Her lameness got less, but never great. She has lost some weight, and appeared more chipper, but when she'd come into the barn and hit the cement floor she would walk gingerly. thanks for your help, candy 2010/1 U.P. of Michigan

--- In EquineCushings@..., "PCFarm" <pecciefarm@...> wrote:

Candy, I don't know if you are aware of this--with all of your current
worries with Ellie--but an acute abscess can cause the leg to swell up, even
to the knee, before the abscess blows out.


Re: Case HX for Fury Sharpless

 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "stephsharpless@..." <stephsharpless@...> wrote:

Yesterday was an incredibly frustrating day for both of us. Fury paced back and forth along the fence in the almost dry lot that I have him enclosed in and called to me everytime he saw me. His persistance was almost more than I could bear.
Hi Stephanie,

You know what crosses my mind when I read the above? If you've ever had a horse down or barely able to walk - there is nothing so delightful as watching them move around and get an attitude just because they feel good. :)

Like the time I was walking Josie the donkey around the yard and she decided to drag me around until she got loose. She then proceeded to run around the yard and got my older mare who was out in the yard involved. I caught my breath when they ran across the concrete apron in front of the garage but no one was injured. And when it was all done, I was delighted that the donkey felt good enough to be that naughty!

Watching a horse with laminitis walk is definitely not the essence of a free spirit. What you are doing for Fury now will likely prevent him from ever being in that scenario.

Barb in western CO (with Sierra, Libby, Josie the donkey and Lola)
2005
EC List Support Team
www.ecirhorse.com


Re: hay test

Cindy McGinley
 

"jgpigger" <forpets@...>wrote:

You make it sound like I am not giving a hoot about my horse, well your wrong, Ellie is my love and I am not going to listen to people on the interenet who try to tell everyone what they should do or not do with their horses. To be honest its people with your attitude that turned my off to this group.
You should re-read what you right.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I was only trying to help you by sharing my own experience (many more years than I care to count as a professional horsewoman, by the way). And I always re-read what I write before sending to be certain that I am clear. You might want to try to read what I wrote again without projecting intent or emotion. I'm pretty sure you misinterpreted my tone.


- Cindy and Alf (with entourage) in NY
EC Primary Response Team
May 2006
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Re: hay test

jgpigger
 

HI Cindy

While how you treat your own horse is certainly your choice, if it was
my horse, I would get a definitive diagnosis immediately so I would know how to proceed from here.

Yes I plan on doing that, but its Sunday, and the only vet we have up here comes to this area periodically and the other vet has an old ultrasound machine that he doesn't think will give clear enough pictures.
You make it sound like I am not giving a hoot about my horse, well your wrong, Ellie is my love and I am not going to listen to people on the interenet who try to tell everyone what they should do or not do with their horses. To be honest its people with your attitude that turned my off to this group.
You should re-read what you right. I know you feel strongly about DSLD but nothing can be done until I can get a vet here,and I already paid her 400.00 for a farm call that resulted in her diagnoises of founder. Pretty costly farm call, wouldn't you say? I can't afford to have her run to me with those kinds of charges, heaven knows I wouldn't have any money left for Ellies treatments if there were any, get my point? Thanks for your brief but sharp opinion. candy 2010/1 U.P. of Michigan


Abscess?Ellie/was:hay test

Linda Peccie
 

Candy, I don't know if you are aware of this--with all of your current worries with Ellie--but an acute abscess can cause the leg to swell up, even to the knee, before the abscess blows out. I have had a couple like that on my rehab horses here and my hunch is it's a case of reduced circulation in the abscess area along with not using that foot/leg for a time. I certainly didn't know about it when first faced with the "hideously lame syndrome." An abscessing foot needs whatever stimulation it can get. Linda in NC-2002


Re: hay test

Cindy McGinley
 

"jgpigger" <forpets@...> wrote:

<< If its not DSLD and just a pulled tendon, then I will damage the tendon more by letting her move about. Kind of a catch 22 in my opinion. When she had this flare up before, my vet said it wasn't DSLD and that she's seen lots of it. >>

I hope it's a pulled tendon, for you and your horse's sake.

While how you treat your own horse is certainly your choice, if it was my horse, I would get a definitive diagnosis immediately so I would know how to proceed from here. And in regard to your vet saying she's seen lots of DSLD, I have a little story for you: the last vet that Alf saw (number 5) for his issues actually had her personal riding horse put down a year before because of DSLD, and yet she did not recognize it for what it was. After I took him for ultrasounds and they showed positive DSLD, I told her, and she was surprised and amazed that she didn't recognize it in him. All DSLD horses present differently.

For what it's worth.

- Cindy and Alf (with entourage) in NY
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May 2006
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Re: hay test

jgpigger
 

HI Cindy
If its not DSLD and just a pulled tendon, then I will damage the tendon more by letting her move about. Kind of a catch 22 in my opinion. When she had this flare up before, my vet said it wasn't DSLD and that she's seen lots of it. So im treating this as a tendon/ligament injury which might be more like it because i think that she pulled the tendon in the mud when walking and also when they came in one day and started racing around, running, bucking and jumping straight up in the air. That behaviour was short lived as she is back down to where we started in Dec. Bummmer :( candy 2010

.

If you think she has DSLD, then you should NOT lock her in a stall and
leave her there!

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