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Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

Linda Rollins <lindarollins38@...>
 

I have been following this thread, and am still looking for the Case History and blood work for this horse. Have I missed it?
Linda

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Re: newly discovered cushings & hypothyroid in a fjord horse

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Laurie,
Welcome to the group. Lucky Oz that you found us! I read his case history and he sure sounds IR to me. He could be Cushings too but we need the correct bloodwork to confirm that.

The list philosophy is DDT/E. Diagnosis is by bloodwork. Diet is low sugar/starch/fat. Trim is a balanced foot and E is Exercise **IF** the horse is able.

You started bloodwork. This is what I would do if Oz was my horse. I would reschedule your vet to pull blood for the eACTH test. Read the files on blood testing. This test requires special handling. We can help you with the details. Then get Insulin and Glucose. This will give us a ratio, as well as the normal ranges.

Your labs show insulin of 25. Please always post the units and the lab ranges when you reply. This number is over the '10' we consider IR but we dont know what you fed Oz before the blood pull and how far out from eating the test was done or if he was fasted. So just on the number alone I would say he's IR. His symptoms also fit IR, swollen sheath, cresty neck, ouchie feet, stiff gate. If Oz were here I would put him in a drylot and feed him soaked/drained grass hay. NO GRAZING! NO TREATS!!! Remove the mineral block (has iron/molasses in it) and start him on the Emergency Temporary Diet. You will find that when you get his diet balanced to his hay that his thyroid sluggish thyroid will improve especially with Vitamin E and the iodine salt! The ER minerals can all be purchased at Walmart. You can give them in rinse/soaked/rinsed plain shredded beet pulp. Read the files "Start Here'' for the details. Laurie, you will see a huge improvement in him in days if you start this Diet today. Your long range goals with him are to have his diet balanced, hay tested and minerals added to that assay. We can help you with ideas on how to make a drylot within his normal area so he can 'stay' with his herd. Or ~ you get a muzzle and tape it shut but you will need to feed him at least 4 meals a day of soaked hay/bp w/ minerals.

The Trim is for a balanced foot with toes backed and heels lowered.
Exercise is if the horse is able. Even handwalking is great exercise for both of you. No tight turns or pivots.

The good news. You caught this early before Founder! So start reading and planning for you next step. We know the new information puts many new members on brain overload! Its over whelming in the beginning but we'll coach you. It can be done!

Read, keep a journal, take photos, ask questions and we'll help.
Mandy in VA
EC First Responder
OCT 2003


Re: How tyo give thyroxine without syringe - horse on grain restriction

Patricia Hunter <phunter27@...>
 

Ive been giving thyroid powder mixed in with my geldings low starch pellets, I have mixed in sugar free applesauce and some water. He also gets loads of other supplements mixed in and gobbles it up.  Good luck!




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From: brubaker1045 <brubaker1045@...>
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 9:42:46 PM
Subject: [EquineCushings] How tyo give thyroxine without syringe - horse on grain restriction

 
I Am searching for low carb treat madewith thyroxine powder to make it more palatable. My mare needs two teaspoons/day. I've been giving the med mixed with applesauce by syringe but this is getting increasingly more difficult to administer. The thyroxine does not go into solution very well. Thanks for any direction to make this daily ritualy less of a battle.


How tyo give thyroxine without syringe - horse on grain restriction

brubaker1045 <brubaker1045@...>
 

I Am searching for low carb treat madewith thyroxine powder to make it more palatable. My mare needs two teaspoons/day. I've been giving the med mixed with applesauce by syringe but this is getting increasingly more difficult to administer. The thyroxine does not go into solution very well. Thanks for any direction to make this daily ritualy less of a battle.


newly discovered cushings & hypothyroid in a fjord horse

lauriew <crystalzak@...>
 

hello. i just thought i would introduce myself.

i own a 15 year old fjord gelding who i just discovered today has cushings and a thyroid problem. i posted a document with his test results and such on the history page under the folder "Laurie and Oz".

i am still in the upset stage, though i have a friend with a fjord who referred me to this site and assures me since it's early, we can treat him and he will do well. encouraging, but looking at working the diet and supplements right now is quite daunting.

i hope to learn a lot about the best way to keep him healthy and active. i am not sure what else i should post now, so i will wait and see what comes up as i go along.

thanks

laurie
central minnesota


Re: Purina Wellsolve L/S - Replacement?

palomino.1982 <sbaumgardner@...>
 

Hi Kathryne,

The link below is for Safe Feeds ( in Files section)

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/gJHPSwxMNsI2kJ7__E53LJHHNmMV--eF0Ec-fiYTLVZEoekljqz6gHE8WnFw_KeSLzbFCdBOA4BkzYKs_rs/3a%20Feeds/Safe%20Feeds.pdf

Listed state by state. There is a group of members in NorCal who order Sterrett's pellets every couple of months.

What city/county are you from? There may be a member close by who uses Sterrett's and can direct you to a feed store close by.

I am in San Diego County and we have been able to get Sterrett's delivered down here.....my horses gobble'em up!

HTH,
Susan
ECCPrimaryResponse
San Diego 1.07

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http.www.ecirhorse.com


Re: Purina Wellsolve L/S - Replacement?

kathryne_heath
 

While it is low in s/s, it is very, very high in iron, and very
high in manganese. Depending on if you have a iron overloaded horse,
or suspect so, or a very brittle IR horse, you might not want to feed
this. I think most list members would choose not to.
Linda
Hi there guys! I've been following this thread and, from what I understand about our hay results (can be found in Cerenity's ECHistory2 file) the iron is quite low. I have been supplementing her hay with this at the advice of my vet, probably because he knew it was, at the very least, low in s/s. With this new info, is there something that may be a little bit safer to feed her while still supplementing her food? She does like to eat the WellSolve and is eating all her supplements in it (including Vitamin softgels), so I would like to use a product that someone has had success in feeding. She is by NO means a finicky eater, but was definitely disappointed when she started getting the WellSolve rather than her old, sugar-laden grain. (Although she did warm up to it.)

Thanks for the help in advance.

Kathryne & Cerenity
2010
Northern California


Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

Ronia van Gage <rvangage@...>
 

Hi Vicky,

A close friend of mine at my request and after consulting with her vet gave her mare pergolide. She went from bad to worse they almost put her down. She pulled her off of the drug immediately and her horse began to recover.

This drug has helped thousands mine included. I have not been a big fan of using drugs but it was a last resort.
It does not always work for all as in your case. Sometimes you need to step backwards and only implement one thing at a time so you know which one is working or not.

I hope things get better for you and your horse.



Regards,


Ronia member since 2008

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Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

Heike Bean
 

I don’t know, time will tell. I had the same misgivings, but really no other
choice.



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From: EquineCushings@... [mailto:EquineCushings@...]
On Behalf Of Stacy
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:46 PM
To: EquineCushings@...
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!






Glad that this is working for your horse Heike.

Are there any issues with giving animal derived ingredients to vegetarian
animals (horses)? The product you are giving has Lamb
Pituitary/Hypothalamus. I know that Thyro-L is also from animals (Cows) -
and wouldn't want to feed that either. Is it safe?

Stacy
N. California
2003





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Re: arthritis & excersise

Jean
 

Just a note I forgot to add. She is also having a difficult time getting up from laying down/rolling, which is favorite pasttime. I have had to put her halter on and help her up. Any of you deal with this in an aging horse? Arthritis related or other in your experience.
Thanks,
Jean in CT'2005


Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

Stacy
 

Glad that this is working for your horse Heike.

Are there any issues with giving animal derived ingredients to vegetarian animals (horses)? The product you are giving has Lamb Pituitary/Hypothalamus. I know that Thyro-L is also from animals (Cows) - and wouldn't want to feed that either. Is it safe?

Stacy
N. California
2003


Re: Mag Ox now mag carbonate

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

Dr. K uses magnesium carbonate in Ellie's mix, are some of you using the Mag Ox?
I have always used mag ox. Many will use magnesium carbonate if there is a question about iron overload; this may include those tested as such, or horses that are really struggling with returning to good health.

I was really not giving my horses enough mag. according to Dr. K's protocal
Actually, it's based on the info as published in Nutrient Requirements of Horses by The National Research Council. Dr K has been able to make heads and tails of it for us in her classes!

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Mag Ox now mag carbonate

jgpigger
 

HI Everyone
Dr. K uses magnesium carbonate in Ellie's mix, are some of you using the Mag Ox? I have fed that from Uckele forever and a day, and just purchased some Mag . carb from PureBulk today to give that a try. I was really not giving my horses enough mag. according to Dr. K's protocal for Ellie based on her hay. Just curious? thanks candy 2010 michigan


Re: Mag Ox color

pposey09
 

Pure, pharmaceptical graded MagOx is white in colour and contains 60% magnesium. Feed graded MagOx isn't "pure" but contains contaminants and consequently less magnesium (usually between 55 – 58%). Depending on the contaminants the colour may not be as white as the pure MagOx. The MagOx from Horsetech, for example, contains a rather high amount of iron (the batch that was analysed when I ordered MagOx from HorseTech contained 9 240 ppm iron). This will influence the colour.
Lars,

Thank you for offering this info! Can you also suggest a source for Mag Ox that is not contaminated with iron?

Paula
MT 12/2009


previcox side effect?

tootsie2toes2
 

My 21-year-old IR gelding has come down with heaves in the last month for the first time. I recently started him on previcox for an arthritic knee and I wonder if the heaves could be a side effect or issue with an allergy to the medication. He is also on pergolide and thyroid medication but that is under control.

Thanks,
Judy and Dandy


Re: TCL

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Is TCL Triple Crown Lite? If you can get the Triple Crown products, I use a couple of handfuls of the Triple Crown Safe Starch Forage mixed with their custom blend and my guys love it.

Kathy

SE WI/2007

--- In EquineCushings@..., "jgpigger" <forpets@...> wrote:

I was wondering since Ellie doesn't want to eat her supplements 2 times a day, could I try the TCL for her?


Re: TCL

lindarollins38@...
 

I use TCL as a carrier for Peanut's supplements, but you have to figure that in when balancing the hay.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:36:51
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Subject: [EquineCushings] TCL

I was wondering since Ellie doesn't want to eat her supplements 2 times a day, could I try the TCL for her? I thought that was a balanced feed? Maybe with a little bit of that mixed in with her custom blend she would then eat it readily.
thanks, candy 2010 michigan


TCL

jgpigger
 

I was wondering since Ellie doesn't want to eat her supplements 2 times a day, could I try the TCL for her? I thought that was a balanced feed? Maybe with a little bit of that mixed in with her custom blend she would then eat it readily.
thanks, candy 2010 michigan


Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

jgpigger
 

Hi All

I also have my other IR horse, who had low thyroid, on the Thyroid
supplement from this company. It works well also. He is perkier than he was
and is also able to lose weight.

I take this companies thyroid supplement for myself. Dr. David Brownstein is my holistic doctor and based on my symptoms, (the blood test showed nothing wrong with my thyroid) but because of my symptoms he started me on the Biotics Research supplement that treats low thyroid symptoms. I have been taking this for a while now and feel great. I may after having Ellie's bloodwork done put her on this supplement as I have thought about it and I really suspect a low thyroid issue with her.
candy 2010 michigan


arthritis & excersise

Jean
 

I've updated our profile here
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory2/files/LadyBey/
ACTH level back in the normal range. Yippeee.
I:G level STILL compensated :(((
Lyme titer 1:5120. Please see her history inthe file.
Here's my delema: She has some obvious discomfort in her left rear. Vet came on Mon. she had been turned out all day and was in her stall for an hour. When she came out, vet comented that she looked uncomfortable and in pain. Well, that was the last thing I wanted to hear when I spend every day trying to avoid that very thing. Vet did a lameness exam and could not find anything obvious. She kind of hops off this foot at the trot. After walking around a bit she did loosen up considerably. She suggested 10 days of doxy. to see the effect. We are on day 3.
I have been struggeling with this I:G level and I think excersise is the missing link.....but with arthritis and pain in the mix....how do we know when they are in PAIN????? Im really struggeling with this. Wish they could talk. I will do whatever is best for her, but my worst nightmare (well one of them) is to induce more discomfort than she already has.
How do you all deal with this?
Thanks,
Jean and Lady inCT
2005

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