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previcox side effect?

tootsie2toes2
 

My 21-year-old IR gelding has come down with heaves in the last month for the first time. I recently started him on previcox for an arthritic knee and I wonder if the heaves could be a side effect or issue with an allergy to the medication. He is also on pergolide and thyroid medication but that is under control.

Thanks,
Judy and Dandy


Re: TCL

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Is TCL Triple Crown Lite? If you can get the Triple Crown products, I use a couple of handfuls of the Triple Crown Safe Starch Forage mixed with their custom blend and my guys love it.

Kathy

SE WI/2007

--- In EquineCushings@..., "jgpigger" <forpets@...> wrote:

I was wondering since Ellie doesn't want to eat her supplements 2 times a day, could I try the TCL for her?


Re: TCL

lindarollins38@...
 

I use TCL as a carrier for Peanut's supplements, but you have to figure that in when balancing the hay.
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From: "jgpigger" <forpets@...>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:36:51
To: <EquineCushings@...>
Subject: [EquineCushings] TCL

I was wondering since Ellie doesn't want to eat her supplements 2 times a day, could I try the TCL for her? I thought that was a balanced feed? Maybe with a little bit of that mixed in with her custom blend she would then eat it readily.
thanks, candy 2010 michigan


TCL

jgpigger
 

I was wondering since Ellie doesn't want to eat her supplements 2 times a day, could I try the TCL for her? I thought that was a balanced feed? Maybe with a little bit of that mixed in with her custom blend she would then eat it readily.
thanks, candy 2010 michigan


Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

jgpigger
 

Hi All

I also have my other IR horse, who had low thyroid, on the Thyroid
supplement from this company. It works well also. He is perkier than he was
and is also able to lose weight.

I take this companies thyroid supplement for myself. Dr. David Brownstein is my holistic doctor and based on my symptoms, (the blood test showed nothing wrong with my thyroid) but because of my symptoms he started me on the Biotics Research supplement that treats low thyroid symptoms. I have been taking this for a while now and feel great. I may after having Ellie's bloodwork done put her on this supplement as I have thought about it and I really suspect a low thyroid issue with her.
candy 2010 michigan


arthritis & excersise

Jean
 

I've updated our profile here
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory2/files/LadyBey/
ACTH level back in the normal range. Yippeee.
I:G level STILL compensated :(((
Lyme titer 1:5120. Please see her history inthe file.
Here's my delema: She has some obvious discomfort in her left rear. Vet came on Mon. she had been turned out all day and was in her stall for an hour. When she came out, vet comented that she looked uncomfortable and in pain. Well, that was the last thing I wanted to hear when I spend every day trying to avoid that very thing. Vet did a lameness exam and could not find anything obvious. She kind of hops off this foot at the trot. After walking around a bit she did loosen up considerably. She suggested 10 days of doxy. to see the effect. We are on day 3.
I have been struggeling with this I:G level and I think excersise is the missing link.....but with arthritis and pain in the mix....how do we know when they are in PAIN????? Im really struggeling with this. Wish they could talk. I will do whatever is best for her, but my worst nightmare (well one of them) is to induce more discomfort than she already has.
How do you all deal with this?
Thanks,
Jean and Lady inCT
2005


Re: witchey lady potions

Jean
 

Doesn't the Uckele brand have Yucca in it. I thought that was a no no.
Jean-CT
2005

--- In EquineCushings@..., "J Amick" <happyday23@...> wrote:

I order Devils Claw from Ukele..
Judy-PA
5/06




Has anyone ordered from Claire's site recently? I was redirected to the new site, but could not see anything but one photo. There were not products listed. Help....We need to order Devil's claw.

Jean and Lady in CT
2005



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Confused about salt

Mauri <mauri.levy@...>
 

I'm curious to know what others do about their salt...

When I was on the emergency diet, I gave 2 tbsps. of salt/day in the BP. This started out okay, but eventually, my mare was no longer finishing her food. Around that time, her minerals were balanced to her hay, and we went through quite a process of finding a carrier that she would eat. During this time of her not finishing her feed w/her balanced minerals, I had been putting in all 114.5 g of salt into it. Someone suggested to hold off on the salt until she was reliably eating her minerals in the carrier, which eventually became TC lite. That seemed to do it, but I have not added the salt back in to date. Instead, I poured a container of salt into her mineral feeder in the stall, which is protected from the elements. In fact, I did this for all three of my horses, ie, no longer putting salt in their feed, but offering it free choice in each horses' mineral feeder. Well, its been about 2 mos. or so and not one of them has touched their loose salt. They have white salt blocks too, and at times, show some passing interest in them. I am concerned that lately they may not be drinking as much as they should, especially since our hay is kinda high in protein, which used to make all three of them drink and pee alot. Should I put the salt back into the TC lite, which I mix with the cubes and minerals, the way I used to when on the ER diet, meaning all 114.5 grams per my spreadsheet? In the alternative, if thats too much salt for them, should I just put them back onto 2 tbsps./day in the feed and keep some loose salt in the stall? Or, maybe just wait longer and see if they will eat the loose salt some time in the future?

Thanks,

Mauri and Zoey
Palmerton, PA
11/09


Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

Heike Bean
 

I have no idea how it works, what it does.

I do not monitor his blood levels, I just go by the way he acts.

When his hormone spikes he gets more nervous and uptight, and the one more
pill takes care of that.

I really had no choice but trying it. The chaste berry did nothing for him,
and the Pergolide made him really sick. He was a sad sight. A human
chiro/nutritionist recommended it to. He also has horses.

On this stuff, he is totally himself and doing well. What more can I ask
for.

If it was not so bothersome and expensive, I would do the blood work just
out of curiosity. Maybe some day.



I also have my other IR horse, who had low thyroid, on the Thyroid
supplement from this company. It works well also. He is perkier than he was
and is also able to lose weight. I tried the Thyro-L, it did not seem to do
much, but within 2 weeks his sheath was totally yucky. The same had happened
to another horse of mine. I don’t know why, but omit the Thyro-L, and the
sheath goes back to normal.



All this is totally unscientific, but my boys approve.



Heike VT 2006



Heike Bean

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<http://www.heikebean.de> www.heikebean.de

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From: EquineCushings@... [mailto:EquineCushings@...]
On Behalf Of Linda
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:39 PM
To: EquineCushings@...
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!






My horse is about 1100 lbs. Over the high ACTH months I give him 4,
So it increases the function of the pituitary gland? Or suppresses it?
Considering the PPID type pituitary is *overactive* by tumor or hyperplasia,
how does this supplement help with PPID?

Have you monitored ACTH values?

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Feeling Frustrated

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

Her latest Cornell blood tests came back - and according to G:I ratio - she's still very IR.
Hi Bev -

Let me repost one of your sentences:

***Having said that - she's no longer tender footed - loves to go out - is this what I have to expect for the rest of her life?

You are looking at her and seeing a happy horse. You are looking and numbers and saying what????

Many, many IR horses do not have normal lab work. For some it has taken years to see the numbers come into ranges that our brains say *is better*, but we look at the horse and we say WOW! Happy, with energy!

IR is a metabolic type - it's not like a disease where you can give xxx pill and the disease is gone. It takes consistently staying with what keeps the bad symptoms (laminitis, obesity) of IR at bay - diet...and exercise as much as can be done.

You can only do so much. Would more exercise bring the insulin down? Probably. Are there horses that exercise and insulin is still not where we call normal or even compensated? Oh yes! Last I checked, Pap still had an insulin that gave him a G:I of 4 - not even compensated.

She's 22 this year...any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Has she been tested for PPID? She has improved dramatically from her first tests. It's possible PPID is at play and is keeping the insulin numbers elevated.

Don't feel frustrated!

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Feeling Frustrated

Bev <beevely@...>
 

Hello - it's been a while since I last posted - since I've had Melody - I've followed the diet, exercise, etc. Melly has been on low sugar hay, has had her diet balanced according to the hay - so I was very hopeful this time when I had the vet out to test her blood. According to the lab report - she is still WAY IR - and i'm feeling very frustrated!

Her latest Cornell blood tests came back - and according to G:I ratio - she's still very IR. She is mostly dry lotted - her glucose came back at 91 mg/dl and her insulin at 44.01 uiU/ml - I come up with a ratio of 2. something or other.

Having said this - her glucose is half of what it was last year as is her insulin - I had to look up last year's blood test. I work full time so I can't ride/exercise her daily - she gets out at least 2 days a week and gets exercise when her paddock mate gets taken out to eat grass - she runs the fence line and gets lots of exercise that way. She looks so much better than she did - she's not fat anymore...but I'm feeling rather blue....

The only thing different that I can do is to increase her exercise and I just don't have time to do so..AARGH!!! Having said that - she's no longer tender footed - loves to go out - is this what I have to expect for the rest of her life? She's 22 this year...any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I need to buy more supplements for horsetech to balance her hay and was waiting for the affirmation that all that is being done is helping. Am I deluding myself? What am I missing here?
Bev and Melody
Stafford CT
1/08?


Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

Jennie
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Heike Bean" <heikeb@...> wrote:

I use a human pituitary supplement, and my horse is doing great with it.
Heike
Vermont, 2006
Hi Heike,

Wonderful to hear that your horse is doing great. I was wondering if you would mind sharing you latest ACTH or Insulin test results?
I think knowing the numbers you started with and then seeing the new improved numbers would help others make informed decisions regarding treatment for their Cushings horses.

Jennie Hollis
ECHorsekeeping Support Team
Oct, 2007
GA


Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

My horse is about 1100 lbs. Over the high ACTH months I give him 4,

So it increases the function of the pituitary gland? Or suppresses it? Considering the PPID type pituitary is *overactive* by tumor or hyperplasia, how does this supplement help with PPID?

Have you monitored ACTH values?

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

Heike Bean
 

<http://store.agoodvitamin.com/birecy180ta1.html>
http://store.agoodvitamin.com/birecy180ta1.html



My horse is about 1100 lbs. Over the high ACTH months I give him 4, which is
about Oc

tober through April, then I give him 3.

He has been on it now for 2 years and doing great on it. I even get the
weight off him, and being IR this is crucial.



Heike VT 2006



Heike Bean

<http://www.heikebean.com> www.heikebean.com

<http://www.heikebean.de> www.heikebean.de

heikeb@...

From: EquineCushings@... [mailto:EquineCushings@...]
On Behalf Of jgpigger
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 4:44 PM
To: EquineCushings@...
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!





What are these supplements? I am having Ellie tested this week and if she is
Cushings, then I would perfer to use a supplement and not a drug if
possible. Thanks, candy
2010 michigan

--- In EquineCushings@...
<mailto:EquineCushings%40yahoogroups.com> , "ClaudiaC"
<claudia_cordeiro@...> wrote:


I also use the human pituitary supplement for my 2 cushings( 1 horse and 1
pony). They are doing very well. >
Claudia
Morriston, Fl
2008

I use a human pituitary supplement, and my horse is doing great with it.
He did not do well at all with Pergolide.

Heike

Vermont, 2006

Heike Bean



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Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

Gail <windybond1@...>
 

Please could you tell me how much the dosage of chaste berry you gave, I am
giving my mare chasteberry, but thinking it maybe not enough, would prefer
this before peroglide. She is 15.2 hanoverian/thoroughbred, not too over
weight.

Gail and Peggy
Yorkshire Uk
April 2010

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From: haygirlc
Date: 20/04/2010 17:19:07
To: EquineCushings@...
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!


Have you tried chaste tree berry? I used it for 8+ years before introducing
Pergolide. Saw no side effects at all with CTB and it resolved the
un-shedding, patchy coat and other symptoms within the first year of use.

Christine
Auburn CA
10/09


Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

jgpigger
 

What are these supplements? I am having Ellie tested this week and if she is Cushings, then I would perfer to use a supplement and not a drug if possible. Thanks, candy
2010 michigan

--- In EquineCushings@..., "ClaudiaC" <claudia_cordeiro@...> wrote:


I also use the human pituitary supplement for my 2 cushings( 1 horse and 1 pony). They are doing very well. >
Claudia
Morriston, Fl
2008

I use a human pituitary supplement, and my horse is doing great with it.
He did not do well at all with Pergolide.

Heike

Vermont, 2006

Heike Bean





Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

ClaudiaC <claudia_cordeiro@...>
 

I also use the human pituitary supplement for my 2 cushings( 1 horse and 1 pony). They are doing very well. I could not believe how nicely the older (26) of the 2 shed out this year. Even better than the others without cushings.

Claudia
Morriston, Fl
2008

I use a human pituitary supplement, and my horse is doing great with it.
He did not do well at all with Pergolide.

Heike

Vermont, 2006

Heike Bean


Re: Dr. Kellon / Consultation

helgawagemann
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "helgawagemann" <helgawagemann@...> wrote:
I sent you the information you asked by your last mail twice (April 7. and April 15.), but I recieved no response, though i asked for it.
Dear Dr. Kellon,
sorry to ask again, but I haven´t recieved any feedback regarding my questions until now, though I sent it twice. I am quite desperate that my mails don´t reach you, as my question towards the preparation of the mineral fodder is quite urgent now.
Today I sent a mail again to the adress which your mail was sent from. Could you check please if you recieved it?

Thank you very much in advance.

Greetings

Helga
Aachen/Germany
June 2009


Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!

Heike Bean
 

I use a human pituitary supplement, and my horse is doing great with it.

He did not do well at all with Pergolide.



Heike

Vermont, 2006



Heike Bean

<http://www.heikebean.com> www.heikebean.com

<http://www.heikebean.de> www.heikebean.de

heikeb@...

From: EquineCushings@... [mailto:EquineCushings@...]
On Behalf Of haygirlc
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:04 PM
To: EquineCushings@...
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: ARGH! I absolutely HATE pergolide!!





Have you tried chaste tree berry? I used it for 8+ years before introducing
Pergolide. Saw no side effects at all with CTB and it resolved the
un-shedding, patchy coat and other symptoms within the first year of use.

Christine
Auburn CA
10/09


Re: att. Dr. Kellon ACTH test question

Linda <PapBallou@...>
 

Hi, could you please lead me to some documentation I could download for my vet regarding the blood draw timing in regard to results. 
Hi Helaine -

Not certain if Dr K is readily available. I can totally imagine your frustration so thought I'd see if I could find something that might help.

This post includes a study on how long pergolide is effective in horses, which is a significantly lower amount of time than when the drug was used in humans.

<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/message/127068>

There is a pdf - Pergolide and Vitex that might be of use. It discusses doses of pergolide to achieve effect.

<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/files/Drugs%2C%20Pergolide%2C%20Cushings%20Disease%20Treatments/Pergolide%20Dosage/>

And you might find something here:

<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/files/Drugs%2C%20Pergolide%2C%20Cushings%20Disease%20Treatments/>

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004

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