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Re: vet says FDA pergolide better

Lindsay_Cameron
 

I just have to add my experience to these comments...I switched my horse from compounded pergolide to Pracend about 8 weeks ago. ACTH and insulin tests this past week show both in the normal range. Each batch of compounded pergolide seemed to have various results on my mare's clinical signs. For example, one batch she would do great, the next batch water intake and urine output increased.

So for me, I like knowing that the product and strength is consistent. It seems that there are so many variables already when dealing with Cushings horses...I'm glad to have removed one...

...Just my own experience with this product.

lindsay
oregon
2010


Re: William

gacyandtea <stc4qh@...>
 

I'm so very sorry.

Jackie 2006
Gacy (1996-2011)
Iowa

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Macs McCutcheon" <samccutcheon@...> wrote:

Just to say my beautiful boy William has gone. He fell asleep this
afternoon. My world is shattered.

Maxi

July 2006

Hampshire UK





Re: William

Ronia van Gage <rvangage@...>
 

Dearest Maxi,

My deepest condolences for the loss of your beloved boy William. May he rest peacefully at Rainbows Bridge
until you meet with him again. Gone from this world but his spirit lives on eternally and in your heart forever.




Ronia in TO

----- Original Message -----
From: Amy T
To: EquineCushings@...
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: William>
> Just to say my beautiful boy William has gone. He fell asleep this
> afternoon. My world is shattered.
>
> Maxi


Re: Treating Teddy Arthritis

ermintrudeclaire
 

Shoni has been on an equiflex supplement with chondroitin, msm,glucosamine
for more than 5 years, probably nearer 10 now . We discussed it with the vet
and she was happy for us to give this with the pergolide. She also has one
bute per day now to keep her comfortable - have tried devils claw and a lot
of other things but this is the only thing that keeps her comfortable. The
equiflex doesn’t seem to have any effect on making her more or less prone to
laminitis.
This isn’t scientific - just telling you what we do

claire:-} 

july 10 uk


Re: Advice Sought for Introducing the Emergency Diet and Adding Supplements

jennifer
 

I think the most important thing to remember is to add very little of everything and work up from that. So I would start out with the little amount she tolerates, and probably mask that already with for example powdered anis seed (smells incredibly good).
Although it might not seem much to you, you very probably added too much at once already. :)

Jennifer in Germany
Laramie July 2011

--- In EquineCushings@..., "rainbowfarm140" <brownlovely1@...> wrote:


Last weekend we began adding, a drop of iodine, a part dose of Cu/Zn, an ounce of jiaogalin at the evening feeding and she started leaving part of it each morning.


Re: Jana and Mikado Update still not getting better- now new trim

jennifer
 

Thank you for explaining! It's all a learning process. Actually I'm glad there is so much to learn, makes me feel less helpless and more proactive. :)

Jennifer in Germany
Laramie July 2011

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Barb" <bmccray@...> wrote:

I'm not sure I should be emailing and trying to explain things either right now. :) But as long as we eventually figure it out we're ok I think.


Re: William

barefooted4
 

I'm so very sorry about your loss. May your memories carry you thru this lifetime. :(

Kristie & Sashi
SW OH '04


Re: LEPTIN TESTING

skyappy95
 

Thank you lorna,
but that is 101 pgs. I was hoping for something simpler that I could
send to my vet in the mail since that is his preference.
sky
oregon 2009

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Lorna" <briars@...> wrote:


Hi Catherine,

See message 163401 for the details that Dr. Kellon gave us the other day.The link is there.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf


Re: Laying Down

gypsylassie
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Lindy Max and Matrix joined 8 2010" <lgriff6540@...> wrote:

We have almost made it so many times ...... Matrix has been pretty much flat out since Thursday at 2 pm.....
Sorry to babble - am drained both physically and emotionally right now.
Lindy, My heart aches for you and Matrix tonight. It sounds like you've both been thru so much. There are no words....will be thinking of you tomorrow.
Laura K. Chappie & Beau N.IL. Nov. 2011


Re: William

tomtriv <ThePitchforkPrincess@...>
 

Oh Maxi, I am so sorry. Loss just sucks.

"... what we have enjoyed, we can never lose ... all that we love deeply becomes a part of us."
â€" Helen Keller

Know you are in a group that understands your pain.

- LeeAnne ECIR Archivist
03/04 Newmarket, Ont
Are you in the Pergolide Database? http://tinyurl.com/yfahmda
ECIR Files Table of Contents: http://tinyurl.com/ydvj2ph
http://TakenForGraniteArt.webs.com


Re: Laying Down

skyappy95
 

Have you tho't of trying casting?
www.Equicast.com
sky
oregon 2009

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Lindy Max and Matrix joined 8 2010" <lgriff6540@...> wrote:

Greatly appreciate guidance on these topic - we have been fighting a mechanically induced founder - from a botched resection for the past 25 months - for some time he has been laying down a lot but has been able to stand four or 5 times a day for periods of 20 minutes up to an hour or more - depending on the day. Matrix is a 12 year old QH.
Lindy & Matrix 8/2010


Re: Laying Down

lgriff6540
 

Dr. Kellon,

My friend Susan has 2 + years of photos and radiographs - She helped me after the orginal person almost killed Matrix. I will have her post them into the case history so you can see where we have been. It has been a very long bumpy road.

We have almost made it so many times - as for the original resection (Novemeber of 09) - Matrix had undiagnosed white line - was told by my vet that an anerobic bacteria ate his hoof wall up to the coronet band. My vet said he needed a resection and suggested "the best" person for the job. This was a fatal error on my part - this person turned out to be an absolute disgrace - he almost hit the coffin bone - even with the benefit of radiographs - Matrix had not rotated until the resection. This person put on acrylics, and egg bar shoes (one was cracked when he put it on) no support for the coffin bone. The shoes remained on until I noticed blood from the bottom of the hoof - and was told Matrix had penetrated and he needed a tetenotomy - which I didn't do. In addition to the cracked shoe - there was mold on the hoof as well. It was really quite sad and I hate to even think about it. He has been doing OK in pads and slippers - and sometime soft rides - I greatly appreciate your response - but am afraid most of the value in our photos will be a post mortum. Matrix has been pretty much flat out since Thursday at 2 pm - he has something going on in his shoulder - may have injured it laying down or getting up earlier that day. He had magna wave treatments today some hyperium - some cranial sacral and med point laser - hoping he able to at least sit up soon. He has been slowly losing ground the past few weeks.

Over the past few years we have used medical maggots, body work, natural trims and diet to try to get the hooves under control. Last April it seemed we were almost where we needed to be - Matrix was able to walk about a mile - then he crashed and has made baby steps forward - then set backs - refoundered a few months ago.

Sorry to babble - am drained both physically and emotionally right now.

Greatly appreciate you and everyone else in the group responding. Over the past few years I have leared alot from you and the members. It is an amazing network.

--- In EquineCushings@..., "drkellon" <drkellon@...> wrote:

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Lindy Max and Matrix joined 8 2010" <lgriff6540@> wrote:

Greatly appreciate guidance on these topic - we have been fighting a mechanically induced founder - from a botched resection for the past 25 months -
Hi Lindy,

Do you have a case history and photos/radiographs posted? Why was the resection done in the first place? Was anything done to help stabilize the hoof wall afterwards?

Horses in flat out lateral recumbency for a long period of time can develop lung issues or muscle issues from pressure. If they move frequently and are often sternal, this isn't so much of a problem.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Jana and Mikado Update still not getting better- now new trim

 

Oh - the ridges! No, I don't know of any reason to necessarily rasp them off. Farriers tend to remove them more as a cosmetic thing I think. Jana's farrier probably removed them in the process of removing flared hoof wall and the wedge.

I'm not sure I should be emailing and trying to explain things either right now. :) But as long as we eventually figure it out we're ok I think.

Take care,
Barb in western CO
(with Sierra, Libby, Josie the donkey, Lola and Katie)
2005
EC Primary Response

www.ecirhorse.org


Oh no, I meant the ridges! I thought the ridges are only rasped off for aesthetic purposes, I didn't know it's beneficial to rasp them off


Re: Pauli in trouble.. help needed

Nancy C
 

Hi Marianne

Get rid of the bute. Get the APF. Put on the boots. Keep the leg warmers.

Nite......


Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

NewEnglandEquineBalance@...

--- In EquineCushings@..., "jannepauli" <jannepauli@...> wrote:

Cheryl,

maybe I'm wrong but I would consider hoof boots if the sole would be sensitive. And this isn't the case at all.


Re: Sonny's new blood work

Nancy C
 

Hi Deb

Thanks for hanging in there with me.

Grower is good. It's best if you put the test in Sonny's Case History. If that doesn't work, send it to me and I'll upload to your folder.

When at all possible, the group functions best with info on the list. We have 10,000 members. IMAGINE???

If you've got this issue, so do many others. Our conversation helps countless others.

Sorry to be dense, but maybe your Tractor Supply can special order Mag Ox for you? We could write to Blue Seal - based here in dear New Hampshire - to see what/where you may be able to get it. Not to say that's the ultimate answer but one can hope. Pretty sure you are in their distribution region but I could be wrong.

Yes...in the meanwhile use the Remission. Are you close to using it up? I mean what you have on hand?

Thanks, Deb. Here's to Sonny.....

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

NewEnglandEquineBalance@...


Deb & Sonny
2010 PA
http://pets. groups.yahoo. com/group/ ECHistory4/ files/Deb% 20B%20in% 20PA/


Re: Pauli in trouble.. help needed

Elva J Mico
 

jannepauli wrote:

I looked at your videos and Pauli is a very pretty girl.

Anyway, back on topic: I donot have boots, but will be getting some
legwarmers for her today. I realise that this may not help for the
hooves but I guess when the legs are being kept warm, the bloodflow
will be kept going in a way. We'll see..
I wouldn't say for sure - but I don't believe leg warmers and boots offer the same protection. It is said on here time and time again how much boots and pads have helped. Why do you have a blanket on her but nothing on her legs and feet?

I was wondering: might APF help her - I hate having to give all thos
chemical medications like bute, ascal600, tranquigel or even ace.. :(
If you hate doing it, then stop. At least try the APF and the herbs.

Put some boots and leg warmers on that girl.

Elva and Angel Satin
in NM/June 2004


Re: ODTB cubes/availability

Elva J Mico
 

drkellon wrote:
--- In EquineCushings@..., ejm <ejmico@...> wrote:
I do have some I got last year from Uckele.....do you remember how
much Dr. K told your friend to start with?
Try half a teaspoon and same of zinc if you have it.
I will do that Dr. Kellon. Thank you for the information. I'd love having my little black horse back.

Elva and Angel Satin in NM
June 2004


Re: ODTB cubes/availability

Elva J Mico
 

gypsylassie wrote:
I use a strainer, spoon in a bunch after soaking, rinse it ,put it
in another tupperware with the moistened cubes and then out to the
barn to feed along with his hay. Could you do the rinsing part in
small batches while on the
Thanks so much for the suggestion Laura, I think we can work something out.....
Your gypsy boy sounds beautiful....I have admired that breed. Take care Laura and thanks again.

Elva and Angel Satin (who says thanks for taking care of my boy)
Corrales, NM
June 2004


Re: Advice Sought for Introducing the Emergency Diet and Adding Supplements

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Belinda,
Welcome to the list. We do give you a ton of information in the beginning so we understand you're overwhelmed. We can help you digest it all.

The list philosophy is DDT/E.

Its important that you do all 4 of these to see successful results. The first D is for DIAGNOSIS. This is by bloodwork. You want your vet to pull blood to confirm PPID aka Cushings. This test is the eACTH test scheduled early in the week in a quiet barn. Its a simple blood pull but it requires special handling. To confirm IR, you want your vet to pull blood on a NON fasting horse ~ get Insulin/Glucose/Leptin. Send these to Cornell. A thryoid panel would be a good baseline if you can swing it.

DIET is low sugar/starch/fat. We recommend under 10% total s/s/f a day. The Temporary Emergency Diet is to ''wipe the slate clean'' as safely and quickly as possible. IF you've never had your hay analyzed it could be too high in sugar/starch. Stop all grains, no pasture, no supplements other than the ones in the ER Diet, no apples, no carrots, cookies etc. Soak your hay for one hour in cold water, pouring the water where your mare cant get to it. This can reduce sugar in the hay up to 30%! That could be the difference in safe hay vs founder hay. You did not mention if she is fed one TBS of loose iodized table salt.Do this twice a day. I would add this and hold off on the iodide drops for now. Have you cored your hay yet? Sent it to www.equia-analytical.com to be tested? Trainer/#603/$49. Let us know when you get your results back. Then, one of the hay gurus can help you balance your minerals to the hay analysis. Your goal is a balanced diet! But first we see whats in the hay.

TRIM is a balanced foot with heels lowered and toes backed.
EXERCISE is excellent for the horse if she's able. Never force a laminitic horse to move. Handwalking is a great start. If you have any doubts about stiffness, arthritis or reluctance to move forward then dont force her.

The order of importance of the ER minerals is equal. They can all be purchased at Walmart or any drugstore in one day. This is a safe way to slowly introduce new minerals. The salt is two fold ~ it encourges the horse to drink more and get iodine in them. Always add new products slowly but remove quickly any that would make them ill. You will be adding more minerals depending on your hay analysis.

I hope this answers some of your questions!
Let us know if you have more.
Mandy in VA
EC Primary Response
OCT 2003


Re: Sonny's new blood work

Deb Barnes
 

What do you mean exactly by supplier, please? Is it the grower? If it's remotely from the same field, cut the same time of year it would be better than nothing.
Grower. I can check with him about when and where. We used to get hay from him for years and Sonny never had any problems. It was when we changed hay suppliers a little over 3 yrs ago that he started having problems.


When I said to stop the Remission, it was in favor of using the more cost effective Mag Oxide from Blue Seal or other feed grade product.
Our TSC does not have Mag Oxide by itself, only in other supplements. I'm checking another feed place in our area. So should I use the Remission that I have until I get some Mag Ox?

If you let me know what you decide about the hay thing, there are some suggestions I can make about copper and zinc. It would require that you buy the minerals or a supplement. We can give you a couple of good ideas.
I'm going to send you my hay results from last year, just for you to look at. My vet had it tested, her husband works for a feed mill or something like that so he sent it where he sends other samples. So the results might not look like you are used to.

Where do I add that? To Sonny's history?

Deb & Sonny
2010 PA
http://pets. groups.yahoo. com/group/ ECHistory4/ files/Deb% 20B%20in% 20PA/

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