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Re: unhealthy feet and nutrition
tomtriv <ThePitchforkPrincess@...>
Thanks Nancy,
I think abscess has been ruled out because she is not reacting to hoof testers? Farrier used them on the 6th and again on the 8th. He's coming back on the 22nd. -LeeAnne & Dawn, Newmarket, Ont PPID & IR 03/2004 Case History: http://tinyurl.com/yk7mvd6 Photos: http://tinyurl.com/6h64yh Yahoo Hoof Pics: http://tinyurl.com/6qc79x6 Newer Off-Site Hoof Pics: http://tinyurl.com/6shyrxr Video: http://tinyurl.com/5u2pdkv
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Re: unhealthy feet and nutrition
tomtriv <ThePitchforkPrincess@...>
Canker?Hi Pat Yikes. Just googled it and I sure hope not. Icky yuck gah. I'd say no as there is no growth but a lack of tissue. Thanks for the idea though. Even though the farrier says it isn't thrush (not sure why but will ask next time I see him) it smells like thrush or "toe jam" which likely is just a mild case of thrush? Until I looked into thrush treatments, I thought a line of black goo along the frog edge was pretty much "normal". I think it was on Heiki's site that it was said that, though very common, the line of black goo (thrush?) is not "normal" for a healthy hoof. Now maybe Dawn broke her frog, is sloughing it or did have an abscess (doubtful as she wasn't THAT lame) that ruptured out the back leaving a cavity for thrush to thrive. We're getting that under control but there is still a little pocket that may need further cutting - but she isn't so sore on the foot now. It is now her other front foot that she is limping mostly on. Today I'm going to go armed to the teeth with lots of time, brushes and soap to really clean those feet foot and try her in all four hoof boots to see if it helps with her limping. Thrush - thought I knew all about it. I'm not surprised at the truth of the saying "The more I learn about horses, the more I learn how much I don't know" but it is astounding how often I end up thinking it. ;-) Laminitis, founder and abscess, oh my! -LeeAnne & Dawn, Newmarket, Ont PPID & IR 03/2004 Case History: http://tinyurl.com/yk7mvd6 Photos: http://tinyurl.com/6h64yh Yahoo Hoof Pics: http://tinyurl.com/6qc79x6 Newer Off-Site Hoof Pics: http://tinyurl.com/6shyrxr Video: http://tinyurl.com/5u2pdkv
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Re: unhealthy feet and nutrition
Hi LeeAnne
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Adding in biotin and methionine may be a good idea if she's not growing hoof well. I use 20 mg and 1.5 grams, respectively, for Beau. He's 950 lbs. Lavinia's right the Farrier's Formula could upset the ODTB balance. Abscess, canker can be helped by numotizine pack. www.numotizine.com Slather it on, cover with a bit of gauze or thin sanitary pad, wrap with vet wrap. Over the years have found the thrush issue can be as much about the trim as well as the diet. Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 NewEnglandEquineBalance@...
--- In EquineCushings@..., "tomtriv" <ThePitchforkPrincess@...> wrote:
-LeeAnne & Dawn, Newmarket, Ont PPID & IR 03/2004
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Re: Increase Prascend???
Hi Karen
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Had understood you had planned on retesting. Laid out a road map for you that could help you budget and plan for expenditures here: <http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/message/173109> Based on what you had told us it was #1 Retest to see if diagnosis portion is covered. #2 Go to the emergency diet as outlined in the message above. #3 Move to testing and balancing your hay as funds allow. It is true that on average ACTH begins to come down in November. If his melanomas are increasing, I'd go up on the pergolide. His lack of energy could also be diet related so working through that as suggested is important. Sorry. I wish it were more simple. For me the hardest part was changing old horse keeping practices. Once I got over that, we made real progress. Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 NewEnglandEquineBalance@...
--- In EquineCushings@..., karen sremac <karenclarinet@...> wrote:
I wish I was THAT GOOD, Karen! He may need only 1 mg. With his crest and
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Re: Pookey's 'drinking problem'--need advice!
--- In EquineCushings@..., "Gary & Kathy Saucier" <gksaucier@...> wrote:
Kathy, We are considering the possibility of colonic ulcers/right dorsal colitis, though he does not appear to be uncomfortable at all. My dilemma is this: because he still tests as uncompensated IR, I do not want to give him anything that is going to help his current problem, but trigger laminitis. So does anyone know how one might manage an IR horse suspected of having colonic ulcers? Gastric ulcers I 'get'--we have been there before! Would Succeed be a good option to try, or should I just trickle feed him alfalfa for a bit to see if that helps? He IS eating a bale of nice alfalfa I picked up yesterday. Nancy and Suzie- we did an oral exam (WNL) but could have missed an imbedded grass awn or foreign body. Will try to x-ray. In his youth, when he was on pasture or bad hay, he would occasionally get sore spots in his mouth--but they always drove him to drink MORE water, not less. And he is chewing quite normally when he does eat the grass or alfalfa. Thanks for helping me think this through. Lisa in TX Pookey Bear June 2010
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Re: unhealthy feet and nutrition
Pat
Canker?
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Pat NC, June/12
On Nov 11, 2012, at 7:36 AM, "tomtriv" <ThePitchforkPrincess@...> wrote:
Howdy Group,
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unhealthy feet and nutrition
tomtriv <ThePitchforkPrincess@...>
Howdy Group,
Dawn has been having a lot of foot health issues for the past few weeks. She's been foot sore, limping on different feet on different days. The farrier found a nasty pocket of bacterial growth in her left front and had to take off much of her frog. I've been treating all feet for thrush. Then there is that weird V-shaped thing on her right hind. A B.C. farrier (Heather) thinks it is a bacterial infection of the horn and that all these problems (abscess, bacterial and fungal infections) are due to unhealthy hooves. She suggested this might be helped with a hoof supplement. I don't know if Heather is familiar with ODTB cubes but in message # 149641 Lavinia advised another member using them not to supplement with Farrier's Formula (the one I was considering till someone said it used alfalfa) as it might upset the cubes' balance. However, if Dawn's feet are not doing well (for what ever reason, old age, PPID, etc) would adding more Biotin, Methionine/Zinc, Calcium and possibly Copper be a bad thing? Or should I just get some biotin and give her 20mg per day to see if it helps? -LeeAnne & Dawn, Newmarket, Ont PPID & IR 03/2004 Case History: http://tinyurl.com/yk7mvd6 Photos: http://tinyurl.com/6h64yh Yahoo Hoof Pics: http://tinyurl.com/6qc79x6 Newer Off-Site Hoof Pics: http://tinyurl.com/6shyrxr Video: http://tinyurl.com/5u2pdkv
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Re: Increase Prascend???
karen sremac <karenclarinet@...>
So, my next question is, based on what you have seen all these years, isit possible he only needs 1 mg for now? Or highly unlikely? Should I test now, at 1 mg during seasonal rise?I wish I was THAT GOOD, Karen! He may need only 1 mg. With his crest and the melanomas, if he were here, I'd increase to 1.5 mg and retest in three weeks. If the crest doesn't go down with these continued diet changes, I'd look to the Cushing's as driving it. Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 Hi Nancy, I got overwhelmed and confused and never really got clear signals to go up on prascend, so I didn't. Now, however, the weather has cooled down and he still lacks energy and stamina. No other clear symptoms... at least not clear to me. So now I am wondering if I should go up on prascend, or if the seasonal rise is coming back down, and he will be ok to stay on 1 mg. Many thanks, Karen in Calif Serrano 22 yr Arab G new Sept 2012 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory6/files/Karen%20%26%20Serrano%20in%20Calif/
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Ontario Dehydrated BALANCED Timothy Cubes
magnificent.pony <magnificent.pony@...>
My error. I posted regarding the Ontario cubes using an incomplete (and thus inaccurate) heading. The Product is Ontario Dehydrated BALANCED Timothy Cubes. The "Balanced" matters.
They are made by ontariodehy.com the phone number is 1-877-289-3349 the email is info@... They are quite responsive to inquirys and will help you find the product in your area. I talked to Eunice and Aurelio about my pony Spike in Olympia WA. They are helping me get the product to Olympia. They will stick with you until you have what you need. LindaD Olympia WA
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Re: Clarified post Dandy and Rusty re-test results
Thank you (again) Linda,
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I think you've come up with a great plan. He's on a low dose (0.5 mg) and that might be cheap protection through the winter as a 'just in case'. Also, my apologies to the group. I just reread my previous post and there was a slight (ahem) typo... Jan (time to log off and go to bed!)~ Dandy and Rusty PNW (WA) 1/09 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/files/Jan%20Monstad/ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Jan%20Monstad/
--- In EquineCushings@..., "Linda" <PapBallou@...> wrote:
You could leave him on it until April, take him off and test and see what his baseline is during the lowest time of the year. Then decide from there as to how to approach next fall.
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Re: Ontario Dehydrated Timothy Cubes
magnificent.pony <magnificent.pony@...>
I believe what you want is the "Ontario Dehydrated Balanced Timothy Cubes" The "Balanced" matters. You can call the company at 1-877-289-3349 and talk to Eunice or Aurelio. They will help you get what you need. Tell them "Spike the Magnificent" in Olympia WA sent you!
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--- In EquineCushings@..., "minihorse12" <thelittlebarnonwhiteoakfarm@...> wrote:
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Re: Clarified post Dandy and Rusty re-test results
Linda <PapBallou@...>
Well, it was certainly warmer when I tested them the first time (Aug). I wasn't aware I needed to factor the weather in, so I paid no attention to the temp that morning. We did have a warmer than usual October though, a *guess* would be around 40* give or take a few degrees.A couple of previous posts: <http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/message/135891> <http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/message/139434> Not that I know of. That is how I would approach it. Cold induced laminitis is a potential, but that truly seems to be related to the environment.Is it then safe to assume if her ACTH number is good, then her Insulin must be too (in the colder months only)? That is if her diet is tight and I have all her other dicks in a row. You could leave him on it until April, take him off and test and see what his baseline is during the lowest time of the year. Then decide from there as to how to approach next fall.I understand your Leptin comment, I'm about as confused as I can get concerning Rusty's results. Any thoughts as to whether to leave him on 0.5 mg of Pergolide all the time or just through Dec? Jan (who's pulling her hair out and kicking herself!Quite a sight to see actually!!) ~ Dandy and RustyI am too. It's always something. Linda EC Primary Response West Coast May 2004
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Re: Clarified post Dandy and Rusty re-test results
Thank you Linda, I appreciate your reply.
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Well, it was certainly warmer when I tested them the first time (Aug). I wasn't aware I needed to factor the weather in, so I paid no attention to the temp that morning. We did have a warmer than usual October though, a *guess* would be around 40* give or take a few degrees. So, apparently the weather concept plays a factor, is there a formula to use in adjusting for the temp variation? Why would I be testing her Insulin during the peak of the rise then, when it's always colder? Egad, that was stupid! LOL!! Her ACTH has improved, but now there's a good probability the Insulin reading isn't any good. So, technically we have no tools to see how were doing for our PPID/IR horses when the weather is cold, outside of assessing them physically. Is it then safe to assume if her ACTH number is good, then her Insulin must be too (in the colder months only)? That is if her diet is tight and I have all her other dicks in a row. I understand your Leptin comment, I'm about as confused as I can get concerning Rusty's results. Any thoughts as to whether to leave him on 0.5 mg of Pergolide all the time or just through Dec? I could take him off at the end of Dec, but I can't test his G/I in the winter as it wont be accurate anyway (on the off chance he is IR with his current Leptin result). I'm at a loss as to what to do. Physically, he's had no signs of IR. Never had Laminitis, he's not obsessive about food either. No crest or any fat pads either. He's not overweight, nor too thin. He's never cranky and his feet are coming along really nice. Jan (who's pulling her hair out and kicking herself!Quite a sight to see actually!!) ~ Dandy and Rusty PNW (WA) 1/09 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/files/Jan%20Monstad/ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Jan%20Monstad/
--- In EquineCushings@..., "Linda" <PapBallou@...> wrote:
But, as far as the elevated insulin with Dandy - what were the ambient temps when the blood was drawn? Temps below 40* are a confounding factor in assessing equine insulin.
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Re: Pookey's 'drinking problem'--need advice!
Saucier Kathy
Could ulcers cause a horse not to want to drink?
Just throwing that out there. Kathy Saucier Texas 2005
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Re: Giving Glucosamine,...Bad idea?
gypsylassie
--- In EquineCushings@..., Jenny <roterhund@...> wrote:
Hi Jenny, No, I don't know what's in it, but it has Dr. Kellon's "seal of approval" so to speak. It's made by a member here, so she know's what's what for our horses. Hope it helps. Laura K. Chappie & Beau N.IL.2011
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Re: Giving Glucosamine,...Bad idea?
im_reich_der_tiere
Thanks, Laura - do you (or anyone) know what ingredients are in MovEase?
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All the website says is "a proprietary blend" and I'd like to know what's actually in it before I order it....thanks :-) Jenny Boise Member since 2012
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:28 AM, gypsylassie <lcknie@...> wrote:
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Re: Pookey's 'drinking problem'--need advice!
Suzie MacDougall <walking_s_mac@...>
Just a thought are you sure he has not had a small choke episode that
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has made him sore in the throat? another thought Years ago I had a mare do similar we checked everything until I left her with the vet - long story short she had a small piece of wire that had embedded in her tougue and this was only found by x-ray - and once excised she recovered very quickly. I mention this because vet had never seem this before other than 1 refence in a text. She was one of australias leading equine vets so plenty of experience - this happened during a period of drought when all the horses where eating close to the ground and all sorts of odd things where coming to the surface - the wires was from an old netting fence. Suzie in Oz 2000ish
On 11/11/2012 8:13 AM, lonestarquarterh wrote:
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Butte vs. Banamine for Cushings horses
pposey09
In the "Avoid These Items" file, butte is noted for PPID horses. Is banamine a more acceptable alternative for PPID horses or should both be avoided equally?
Thank you, Paula, MT 12/09
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Re: When is it too much pergolide?
pposey09
Thank you Nancy. I will do so ASAP. A lot on my plate, so it may be a few days.
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Again, Thanks. Paula, MT 12/09
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Re: Pookey's 'drinking problem'--need advice!
Lisa
Could he have a mouth or tooth problem? Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 NewEnglandEquineBalance@...
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