My issue is this:
I board, and because of the drought we had this year, the hay is constantly changing. :(

Is there anyway to tell when he should be tested once we get him well again, or just test once a year?
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Pam, when you treat lyme with the meds, you clear the blood of the disease. But the disease goes underground and into the muscles. Now, stress sets off lyme. Trailering, vaccinations, show stress, a new horse brought into the stable etc. In my horse the first signs were agitated easily. Didn't want me touching him for grooming etc (muscle overall soreness), would lay ears back at other horses when never did prior. Lameness in one area for a few days then better, but lameness moved to another area. These are a few signs. I highly suggest you get a small journal and write down what your horse is doing presently. Then you will recognize these signs immediately. This is a life long monitoring that you will be doing to catch the symptoms early. Also additional tick bites that are carrying the disease will re-activate what lies within the muscles.

Now, the horse's immune system is extremely important as generally it will/can handle tick bites with lyme. But being exposed to many tick bites, over a period of time overloads the immune system, and the disease takes over the blood and needs to be medicated again. In order to keep the immune system up and running, Dr. Kellon highly reccommended for me to give a probiotic of Ration Plus (a liquid available from Valley Vet or Google it as I have found it from many stores) or Forco. Both of these products I have used and really do the job. The reason in using them is to promote a good gut flora. Remember the meds you will be treating with are antibiotics and kill all flora in the gut..... Hense you must use the probiotic.

Also reccommended by Dr. Kellon was the use of B complex vitamins that are LOW in iron. B-Plex is what I used. As the disease is blood oriented it zaps the stamina and creates anemia. My horse had an iron overloaded liver, (via testing at Kansas State) so this product was used since I didn't need additional iron.

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I'm sure hoping my Vet will have some answers. Although I seem to have to keep coming back to all of you who actually saved Mr. Frizzer's life last time. Dr. Kellon was the one who said in 2009 after we couldn't get him well to have him tested for it, and I will always be grateful to her.
Pam
Alabama
November 2012
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Pam, don't get discouraged if your vet is grappling at straws here in treatment of lyme. Most vets are overworked. My encounter was 6 yrs ago and 3 vets thought I was insane when I suggested lyme disease. At that time the disease was practically unheard of in horses. Much research and studying has been done since then. Always ask here on the list for help, as no question is a dumb question. This list is cutting edge info, as most have gone down these bumpy roads and are willing to share what did and didn't work on their horse.

I do not post often now, as after all of the problems with lyme and cushings, and penetrated front coffin bones, my horse died this past April due to a fatty tumor that encased his colon deep inside which required surgery. He was 24 yro, insulin resistant and I would not put him thru this again. He had a 5 hr surgery done 7 years prior for the exact same thing.

I realize exactly how you feel when all of this hits, You cry and get it out of your system, and don't be ashamed for caring so much. You need to push onward and be strong for Frizzer. He is depending on you. The current list members and monitors are super here on the list. Dr. Kellon and many others learn from what each of us share. After going thru this ordeal, you will be the person to be posting and helping others find their way.
Keep us posted on Frizzer's progress.
Judy-PA
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This is one of treatment regimes used in the UK, but it would need to be checked with your vet and re compatibility with EC/IR:

1 week of I.V. Oxytetracycline @ 5mg/kg q24h or q12h, followed by 2-3 weeks PO (oral) Doxycycline @ 10mg/kg q12h (every 12 hours). It looks like the IV part isn't a workable option for you, though.

I.M. Ceftiofur sodium (Excenel) @ 2-4mg/kg q12h has also been successful in some cases.

I have chronic Lyme Disease and my pony may have Lyme too, although his blood tests for it were negative. Lyme bacteria are complex and capable of avoiding detection by even the more sophisticated tests, so I remain slightly sceptical that his negative result means he doesn't have it. I'm focusing on the EC/IR for now to try and get that under control for him first.

Lyme can be a difficult infection to shift and ticks are always around to re-infect us. If Mr Frizzer's being troubled by Lyme again more antibiotic treatment should help him feel a lot better.

Best wishes to you both
Lesley


On 4 Dec 2012, at 03:32, runwayknitting2 wrote:

Thank You, the vet is sending it to antech I believe is the name.
I was not able to do the intervanious. The Vet lives quite a ways from here, and I'm just not good at all about the needles. Kind of have to depend on the meds. I do give him pro-bios with his meds to keep the stomach calm and it worked last time. This Vet swears by the Tetracylcine the other one swore by the docyclyclin. So many different opionins it make my head swim.
Thought we were finished with this, and evidently not. Now I'm told he will always have this, but don't know what signs to look for or just have him tested every 6 months or so. It snuck up on us once again. I'm just sick that he is going to have to go through this pain. Hopefully it won't be as bad as last time when it took me over 5 weeks just to find out what was wrong with him before any treatment.
All of you are life savers and i thank you so much for all your help.
At this point I don't care about the expence we already have more in him then most people have in a race horse. We just love him so much, I have to help him. His heart is so big, he's a keeper.
We will hang in there, I just cry when I leave he barn so he doesn't see me.
Thanks
Pam
Alabama
November 2012
--- In EquineCushings@..., "Lavinia" <dnlf@> wrote:

Well all blood work came back ok, and he is sending the Lyme test off today and we should know in a few day's if it's back again.
This Vet is starting him on Tetracycline instead of the Docycline. So I need someone's opinion if this is ok?

Hi Pam,
Sorry to hear Mr. Frizzer is having trouble. Hopefully, the vet is sending the bloodwork to Cornell as they do a much more sophisticated testing now than titres and western blot.
Not Dr. Kellon but have been down this road many times and I live in Lyme central. The best treatment is IV oxy-tetracycline (NOT the same as oral tetracycline) but it is quite a bit more expensive route than doxy. If treating orally, doxy is the way to go. Oral tetracycline is much less readily absorbed than doxy in horses so the risk of colitis is greater and treatment less effective. Sorry, can't find my notes/links for that right now.
Sending healing thought to Mr. Frizzer. Hang in there.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team

Cass for Satra
Sonoma County, Calif
Oct. 2012

Excede is ceftiofur, same drug as Naxcel but slow release formula.

Horses with penicillin allergy may also react to this drug, which is potentially a very bad situation because of the sustained release.

Also of concern is a very high incidence of laminitis observed during the safety studies (page 13 and 14):

<http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AnimalVeterinary/Products/ApprovedAnimalDrugProduc\;
&#92;ts/FOIADrugSummaries/UCM203951.pdf>


Susan
EC Primary Response
San Diego 1.07

I signed up for the yahoo groups equine cushings but don't know how to acess any information.