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Re: doxycycline trial -- request to Dr. Kellon

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, Lesley Fraser wrote:

Hi Karen

I'm not a vet, I'm a person with chronic Lyme. I wondered if some of these links might of interest too.

http://liphookequinehospital.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/LymeDiseaseinHorses.pdf

http://www.equisearch.com/uncategorized/lyme-disease-horses-requires-health-treatment/

http://www.bada-uk.org/petsproblems/pet-diseases/borreliosishorses.php

http://thelaminitissite.org
Helpful, Lesley, thank you.

I actually wrote the second article, but do not endorse the links to products that are embedded in it now. They weren't in the original article.

Other considerations are that Lyme can exist in an encysted form that will not trigger the usual antibodies and human studies are now finding other forms of Borellia in ticks which cannot be detected by available tests.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Mineral Balancing - Scarlet and Little Red (2nd Posting)

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Diane,
Welcome to the group. The list philosophy is DDT/E.

DIAGNOSIS is by bloodwork. To confirm Cushings aka PPID, you would need an eACTH test. Cushings is controlled by the drug pergolide. To confirm IR ~ you need Insulin/Glucose/Leptin on a NON fasting horse with the samples sent to Cornell. You will know how severely IR the girls are. IR is managed by DIET.

DIET is low sugar/starch forage with minerals balanced to its assay. The minerals for this Diet can be purchased at Walmart or any drugstore. Get Vitamin E natural and feed her 2000ius a day. Get the gel cap that has soy oil in it. It’s a very low amount. This vitamin is excellent for oxidative stress. Then add magnesium, Freshly ground flax and loose iodized table salt. The recipe is in the Start Here file. Pull her off pasture no matter how deep the snow is. Horses paw the snow away to get to the tasty sweet roots. You don’t know how much or little sugar she gets that could make her foot sore That can be a critical factor. We've had horses turn around in days. You can double the smhn's to really slow her eating down thus reducing the chance of an insulin spike. Feed at least 4 meals a day. Yes, your water could be high iron. Send a sample to www.dairyone.com I’m pretty sure they test water too.

TRIM is a balanced foot with toes backed from the top and heels lowered. Boots/pads if foot sore.
EXERCISE is a great way to reduce IR. Let the mares tell you what they can handle. Handwalking is great - long straight lines - sweeping curves so you don’t put any pressure on the walls. No pivoting. Never force a laminitic horse to move. They'll tell you what they can handle.


Diane, IF you ordered the Trainer at EA # 603 you don’t need to soak your hay. If you paid for any other test (601) I would do it over. There could be a big difference in the results.

I would blood test both mares for IR but you can manage that by DIET balancing!

There is a file with a list of ladies that help with balancing. I cant think of the name right now but maybe one of them will email you.

Thank you for being so up to date with your signature and testing! IT is appreciated!

Mandy in VA
EC Primary Response
OCT 2003


Re: Mineral Balancing - Scarlet and Little Red (2nd Posting)

Maggie
 

I joined in November 2012 and am posting for the first time.  My two 10-year-old BLM-adopted Mustang mares (Scarlet and Little Red) were visually diagnosed as insulin resistant late last summer/fall, when Scarlet experienced an episode of laminitis.


Hi Diane,



Welcome!  Sorry we missed you the first time around.  Good to repost if you don't hear back within a couple of days.  Great that you got your CH's done on both of your horses!  And great job on your signature--thanks for the link!  Looks like you've been doing some reading already, but I will give you the details of this group's philosophy and answer your questions.  The groups' philosophy is DDT+E.  That's Diagnosis, Diet, Trim and Exercise.

 

Diagnosis:  Both of your mares are approaching 10 years of this year, which is when we really start to get concerned about PPID.  It's not unheard off under 10, just not as common as in horses over 10.  The reason that making the diagnosis is so important is that the treatment for insulin resistance (IR) and PPID (Cushing's) is different, IR being treated with DIET, and PPID being treated with medicine(pergolide), and a combination diagnosis of IR and PPID treated with both diet and pergolide.  You state in your CH that they both have an aversion to needles.  How do you sedate them to do their feet?  Could you get labs drawn while they are sedated for that?  The labs we recommend to make the correct diagnosis are ACTH, insulin, glucose and leptin sent to Cornell.  The labs require special handling, so have a read here for the details:  http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview/ddt-diagnosis   There's LOTS of great information on that site, so more reading :)

 

Diet:  I see that you have your hay analysis and the sugar + starch is great at 3.5+1.1=4.6, so no you do not need to soak! The Nutrena Empower Balance has 8%starch and 6%sugar, so that's not a safe feed for IR horses.  There are some other safer feeds that you can use as a carrier or taste temper.  One is Ontario Dehy Timothy Balance cubes (ODTB's).  You can add warm water to them to fluff them up and then add your minerals. You can also prepare r/s/r beet pulp in larger quantities and store in little baggies in your freezer for your sitter's use when you are traveling.  Are you adding the emergency minerals?  They are:

Iodized salt - 1 to 2 oz. a day (approximately 1 to 2 heaping Tablespoons,

Magnesium 1.5 grams/day per 500 lbs body weight,

Vitamin E 1000 IU/day per 500 lbs body weight (human supplement may be easiest, i.e. soft gel caps added to beet pulp)  and 

2-4 oz fresh ground flax seed or use stabilized flax

You should be using these until one of the hay gurus can balance your hay for you.  Have you tried to contact anyone yet to do that?  There's a list of members that do the balancing in the files.  Look here: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/files/7%20Help%20with%20Mineral%20Balancing/   It's the 4th file down.  Great that you already got your water analyzed.  They can take that into consideration when doing your balancing. 

You should not be letting them graze, snow or no snow.  The occasional peanut is OK, but no apples, carrots or sugary treats.  The ODTB's make great treats too! You removed the red salt blocks. We recommend that you provide plain white ones in addition to the loose salt that you add to their carrier.



Trim:  This is an extremely important part of the program and often the last thing to fall into place.  A proper trim is toes backed and heels lowered so that the hoof casule closely hugs the coffin bone. You mentioned in Little Red's CH that she doesn't "self trim" any longer.  Domestic horses RARELY get enough exercise to self trim, like the wild mustangs do.  If you can join ECHoof, one of our sister sites, you can post pictures of Little Red's and Scarlet's feet and one of the hoof gurus can take a look and see if you have a proper trim in place. Once you join, look for the file on how to take good hoof pics.



Exercise:  The BEST IR buster there is!  But a laminitic horse should never be forced to move.  If they are able, you can hand walk in long straight lines with no tight turns.  It takes committment too hand walk them, or work them in the round pen (if they are able) everyday, but if they are "pasture ornaments" like stated in your CH, they are not getting enough exercise to help beat IR!



You'll surely have lots more questions as you make this transition to a new way to manage your horses.  Just ask!  We are here to help you help them! 

 
Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC Primary Response
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/files/maggie%20in%20virginia/



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Re: New Diagnosis- Baileys LoCal Balancer & Dengie HI FI Lite

Rebecca Marment <r_marment@...>
 

Hi Sarah

I feed my boy Dengie HiFi Lite which I was told to feed by my vet. In the UK the feed of choice seems to be HiFi Lite for horses with laminitis. My boy seems to be doing ok on it, but as it contains alfalfa and the group does not recommend alfalfa, I am too am a bit confused, especially as it is approved by the laminitis trust. I was going to swap him to the molsasses free one, but then noticed that this feed contains 6.5% soya oil, whereas the lite is only 1.5%. I am trying to keep my boy at the weight he is, so think (but could be wrong) that I will be increasing his calories by feeding the molasses free. The molasses free is also higher in digestible energy.

Why are feeds so difficult!?

Rebecca and Hutch
United Kingdom
September 2012

-----Original Message-----
From: zoma
Sent: 26/01/2013 03:08
Subject: Re: [EquineCushings] New Diagnosis- Baileys LoCal Balancer & Dengie HI FI Lite

-----Original Message-----
From: sezzie22
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:44 AM
To: EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [EquineCushings] New Diagnosis- Baileys LoCal Balancer & Dengie HI
FI Lite

Hi All,

I am very new here so apologise in advance if I am doing this incorrectly!!!

I will upload a case history as soon as possible but will give some
background information here first!

My 22/23 year old Irish Sport Horse Jenny has recently been diagnosed
(bloods confirmed 2 weeks ago) with Cushings.
Up until rencently she was in a loan home (due to my financial constraints)
and when I went to visit in early November noticed a number of things which
led me to believe she was beginning to show symptoms of Cushings.
As such I now have her in a local Stables boarding.

She is over weight with a compromised immune system (WBC 2.4 (should be
between 7-9) and platelets at 58 (170-190 range) These results are from her
initial bloods I had carried out in NOvember which produced a FALSE NEGATIVE
in relation to her cushings.
I did however immediately put her on a low starch low sugar soaked hay diet
as i felt sure this was a false result.
SHe is currently on Dengie HiFI LITE and Baileys Lo-CAL Balancer twice daily
as a feed and soaked hay. She is turned out daily in the sand ring with HI
FI LITE to nibble on.

She has suffered with a bad foot abscess in November (at the time the bloods
were taken) but she was fully sound until last week again when she lamed
again having been shod 2 days before.

Does anybody know if these feeds are ok for her??! I read the Emergency Diet
file but I am concerned about giving her Beetpulp as in my head as she is so
overweight (left out to grass with no restriction in loan home......)it may
not be suitable for her??

She has lost weight- but still has a significant belly which i know is also
a symptom of cushings also......I do hand walk her in the arena a few times
a week but as she is lame again it is difficult for me to help her lose
weight whilst being recurrently lame! Vet has said this is not a laminitic
situation. I feel it may be a recurring abscess and we are in works to get
this out via both Vet and Master farrier.

She is also quite stiff the poor old lady and I would like to commence her
on a joint supplement to help her be more comfortable and have found one
available with no glucosamine

http://www.copa-ireland.com/Liquiflex.html
Your opinion would be much appreciated in this as I am reading so much
information in relation to conflicting information about what is safe and
not safe for her I have confused myself!!!
The vet has commenced her on a herbal alternative for the cushings called
ACTH & Quercus Robur I have found limited clinical research in relation to
this but did find this particular paper with results:

http://www.bahvs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Cushings-Research.pdf

She has now been on this diet since November and the ACTH & Quercus Robur
for 2.5 weeks.

Could anyone please steer me in the correct direction in relation to what I
should be supplementing her with? Vitamin E Magnesium Oxide Flax etc? Should
I move her to the Emergency Diet components? Can I give her a supplement for
her joints as linked above??

Please help as a newbie I am literally drowning in a sea of information!!

your help would be hugely appreciated.

Sarah & Jenny
IRELAND
Diagnosed January 2013



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Re: NIR vs. Wet Chemistry Hay Tests: Was 3 questions (hay analysis

Lorna <briars@...>
 

Thanks for this,Sally.
Saving money is especially important when we are caring for horses who have so many needs.But obviously we have to pay attention to the details,so that our savings don't end up hurting the ones we are trying to help.

Good for you for double checking those numbers.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf

My hay grower travels to find low sugar grass hay every year. He sends the samples to Equi-analytical, and for the sake of economy and fast results he has always used #601 (equi-tech) which uses NIR for sugars and starch. He was very happy to find some nice looking hay that tested 1.1% ESC and .2% starch. I didn't think that looked right, so I asked him to have the lab retest the sample using wet chemistry. The results with wet chemistry came back as 6.6% ESC and .3% starch. That's over 5% difference in ESC.


Re: doxycycline trial -- request to Dr. Kellon

Lesley Fraser
 

On 25 Jan 2013, at 20:51, kshanna92 wrote:

In discussion of issues I'm dealing with re my mare, Rianza, one of the things you mentioned was speaking to my vet about a trial of doxycycline for possible tick borne complications. I brought this up to my local vet, but was told they absolutely didn't think this was necessary -- in other words, not agreeing to prescribe. Any "ammunition" or information you can give me to try and persuade otherwise??

Karen & Rianza in Illinois
2007
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory6/files/Rianza%20%26%20Karen%20in%20Illinois/


Re: 3 questions (hay analysis, ODTB, feeding pill) #nirwetchem

Sally Hugg
 

Just wanted to share our experience with NIR vs wet chemistry testing for ESC/starch last summer.

My hay grower travels to find low sugar grass hay every year. He sends the samples to Equi-analytical, and for the sake of economy and fast results he has always used #601 (equi-tech) which uses NIR for sugars and starch. He was very happy to find some nice looking hay that tested 1.1% ESC and .2% starch. I didn't think that looked right, so I asked him to have the lab retest the sample using wet chemistry. The results with wet chemistry came back as 6.6% ESC and .3% starch. That's over 5% difference in ESC. From now on, we will be using wet chemistry to make our final selections on which hay to buy.

Sally Hugg
N. California
2003

--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, "drkellon" wrote:

NIR determinations are estimates only, not measurements. They are not as accurate as direct measurement of sugar and starch. If the lady can prove differently, she needs to present the studies that show it or their data in detail. Your horse's welfare depends on it.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: exercise for IR when lethargic?

karenclarinet@gmail.com <karenclarinet@...>
 

Vet appt feb 5. stopped alfalfa. trying grass hay pellets in machine tonight. fingers crossed. enjoyed a ride today. sun came out! thank you much.

-----Original Message-----
Date: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:14:08 pm
To: EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com
From: "plwoodbury" <DesertHorses@gmail.com>
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: exercise for IR when lethargic?

Hi Karen ~

Wait for the sixty days from the increase in pergolide, which will be the end of this month - so that's really only a few days away.

Ditto on what Nancy said re exercise and alfalfa. (Thanks Nancy!)

Patti Woodbury Kuvik
Vail AZ 2001
EC Support Team

--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, karen sremac wrote:
snip<<<<
Am I right that I have to retest ACTH again now? Or wait on that? Last test
Nov 19.


Re: New Diagnosis- Baileys LoCal Balancer & Dengie HI FI Lite

zoma <zoma@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sezzie22
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:44 AM
To: EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [EquineCushings] New Diagnosis- Baileys LoCal Balancer & Dengie HI FI Lite

Hi All,

I am very new here so apologise in advance if I am doing this incorrectly!!!

I will upload a case history as soon as possible but will give some background information here first!

My 22/23 year old Irish Sport Horse Jenny has recently been diagnosed (bloods confirmed 2 weeks ago) with Cushings.
Up until rencently she was in a loan home (due to my financial constraints) and when I went to visit in early November noticed a number of things which led me to believe she was beginning to show symptoms of Cushings.
As such I now have her in a local Stables boarding.

She is over weight with a compromised immune system (WBC 2.4 (should be between 7-9) and platelets at 58 (170-190 range) These results are from her initial bloods I had carried out in NOvember which produced a FALSE NEGATIVE in relation to her cushings.
I did however immediately put her on a low starch low sugar soaked hay diet as i felt sure this was a false result.
SHe is currently on Dengie HiFI LITE and Baileys Lo-CAL Balancer twice daily as a feed and soaked hay. She is turned out daily in the sand ring with HI FI LITE to nibble on.

She has suffered with a bad foot abscess in November (at the time the bloods were taken) but she was fully sound until last week again when she lamed again having been shod 2 days before.

Does anybody know if these feeds are ok for her??! I read the Emergency Diet file but I am concerned about giving her Beetpulp as in my head as she is so overweight (left out to grass with no restriction in loan home......)it may not be suitable for her??

She has lost weight- but still has a significant belly which i know is also a symptom of cushings also......I do hand walk her in the arena a few times a week but as she is lame again it is difficult for me to help her lose weight whilst being recurrently lame! Vet has said this is not a laminitic situation. I feel it may be a recurring abscess and we are in works to get this out via both Vet and Master farrier.

She is also quite stiff the poor old lady and I would like to commence her on a joint supplement to help her be more comfortable and have found one available with no glucosamine

http://www.copa-ireland.com/Liquiflex.html
Your opinion would be much appreciated in this as I am reading so much information in relation to conflicting information about what is safe and not safe for her I have confused myself!!!
The vet has commenced her on a herbal alternative for the cushings called ACTH & Quercus Robur I have found limited clinical research in relation to this but did find this particular paper with results:

http://www.bahvs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Cushings-Research.pdf

She has now been on this diet since November and the ACTH & Quercus Robur for 2.5 weeks.

Could anyone please steer me in the correct direction in relation to what I should be supplementing her with? Vitamin E Magnesium Oxide Flax etc? Should I move her to the Emergency Diet components? Can I give her a supplement for her joints as linked above??

Please help as a newbie I am literally drowning in a sea of information!!

your help would be hugely appreciated.

Sarah & Jenny
IRELAND
Diagnosed January 2013


Re: New Diagnosis- Baileys LoCal Balancer & Dengie HI FI Lite

zoma <zoma@...>
 

Does anyone know if weeping crud,from the eyes is a a sign of cushings



Sarah & Jenny
IRELAND
Diagnosed January 2013


Mineral Balancing - Scarlet and Little Red (2nd Posting)

dpeters_14544
 

Hi,

I joined in November 2012 and am posting for the first time.

My two 10-year-old BLM-adopted Mustang mares (Scarlet and Little Red) were visually diagnosed as insulin resistant late last summer/fall, when Scarlet experienced an episode of laminitis.

I have adopted a modified Emergency diet - not soaking hay but using small mesh hay nets. The horses have 24/7 access to pasture, but after a two-week spell of snow cover ceased grazing. I am using a small amount of Nutrena Empower Balance as a mineral carrier. (R/S/R beet pulp did not work given limited facilities and the need to keep things simple for backup when I am traveling.) I have removed red salt blocks. The fat pads over Scarlet's eyes have diminished, and they both seem to be less hungry. Weight is only slightly lower.

I would appreciate help with the following:

1. Balancing minerals in hay and water. I think that our unfiltered well water is high in iron.

2. Confirmation (or correction) that I do not need to soak hay.

3. Scarlet has a fairly reactive personality that seems to have calmed a little on the Emergency diet. Does this indicate a recovery from oxidative stress, and if so, is there anything else that I should be doing for this?

4. We did not do blood tests when the vet was here in the fall due to the seasonal rise… and in fact, drawing blood may not be possible due to the horses' fear of veterinarians and needles. If I am able to have blood drawn, what tests are recommended?

I have posted case histories, hay analysis and (limited) water analysis on ECH6.

Thank you for your help. (and my apologies if I have broken protocol by posting twice - I think that my first posting went into Yahoo limbo.)

Diane, Scarlet and Little Red
Upstate NY
Nov 2012
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory6/files/Diane%20Peters%20NY/


Re: Vet reluctance to order pergolide

 

my vet in California ordered compounded pergolide for me
once<<
 
Where are you located in California? I can let you know who I go to. I called Thriving Pets to get a list, but their list was outdated.

Cynthia Boriskin from CA
Tucker 10/10



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Re: exercise for IR when lethargic?

 

Hi Karen ~

Wait for the sixty days from the increase in pergolide, which will be the end of this month - so that's really only a few days away.

Ditto on what Nancy said re exercise and alfalfa. (Thanks Nancy!)

Patti Woodbury Kuvik
Vail AZ 2001
EC Support Team

--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, karen sremac wrote:
snip<<<<
Am I right that I have to retest ACTH again now? Or wait on that? Last test
Nov 19.


NOW ODTBC : Was Advise on supplement

Lorna <briars@...>
 

what are ODTB cubes?
Hi Mary,


Please remove the old text from your message before you hit Send, the way I just did with your message.


Ontario Dehy Timothy Balance Cubes is what the short form is for.

www.ontariodehy.com


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf


Re: Radar - laminitic attack. HAY mixup. Soft Ride Question

Lorna <briars@...>
 

Hi Kelsey,

I am not sure where to find Radar's history and all his photos now!!
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Radar%20and%20Kelsey/

Attach it to your signature so it doesn't get away from you again :)




Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf


Re: Advise on supplement

Mary Horbianski
 

--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, "Mandy" wrote:

Marie-Josee,
I read your case history on Cashmere. What are the units of the Insulin
(285)? Was it pmol or uiU/L???

If Cashmere was in my barn I would start soaking that hay so she can eat
more hay and get fewer calories. You have to find a way to soak it. Take
a bale home with you and use your back yard or driveway but you need to get
the calories (sugar) down! Then she can eat more and feel full. Eventually
she will ~ I know ~ I have a Haflinger in my barn now that is just now
leaving hay in her nets! I also double bag it, hang it high and let the
bottom swing which goes against my principal of cruelty!!! I t makes my
mare furious! So she's either giving up in frustration (doubt it!) or
lost interest in the work!!!

The way I see it you have two choices ~ feed her ODTB cubes or soak her hay.

How far is your home from the barn? Is there a public place/park that you
can use a couple of storage containers and pleanty of poly hay nets to
soak/drain the hay and then deliver to the barn? Storage containers (18
gallon size) have so many uses! Put the hay in a net- put it in the
container - fill with water - soak one hour - pour off water - put netted
wet hay back in empty container - deliver to the barn.

Let us know when your hay analysis is back. In the meantime - give her
Vitamin E 2000 iu's a day, loose iodized table salt - 2oz a day, freshly
ground flax seed 2 oz a day and magnesium, 3 grams a day. You can
rinse/soak/rinse plain shredded beet pulp till the water runs clear and use
that as a carrier. You can do this in your kitchen or bathroom. HOT water
works best and fastest. She can eat lots of this stuff - up to 30% of her
DIET. You can flavor it with teas or aloe vera juice to entice her to eat!
Its safe and about 5% s/s. Start thinking of ways to accomplish this! The
beet pulp is excellent for cold weather because it gets warm water in her.
You can prepare pounds of it and freeze it so you just grab a bag out of the
freezer , load it up with the correct minerals and deliver to the barn!

Hang in there.
Mandy in VA
EC Primary Response
OCT 2003
what are ODTB cubes?
Mary
6/12/Mich


Re: Results from the Emergency Diet

palomino.1982 <palomino.1982@...>
 

Hi Marie Josee,

Great news for you and your girl!!

When you get the hay analysis, you will start on another journey...
having the hay balanced with necessary minerals.

The journey is priceless and wonderful seeing our horses bloom!

Susan
EC Primary Response
San Diego 1.07

--------------------------------------------------


My question : Is it possible that after only one week of been on the Emergency Diet, the result are already there and that is the reason why she is much better?


Im so HAPPY...Equi-Analytical told me I should have the result by next wednesday and hopefully someone from the group can help me to balance Cashmere diet.


Re: Radar - laminitic attack. HAY mixup. Soft Ride Question

taigabarks
 

Hi Lorna
Thanks. We haven't gone to capsules yet, but are working on it. Trying to determine his dosage right now.

I am not sure where to find Radar's history and all his photos now!! I think it was EC4 or 3.
Can you help me?

THANKS.
Kelsey
Cochrane, AB
RADAR
Nov 2011

--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, "Lorna" wrote:

Hi Kelsey,

We have increased his pergolide hoping this will help combat, a wee bit from 5ml to 7.5 ml of 0.2 mg. We had been noticing his Cushing symptoms increasing
December, cresty neck, fat deposits, laminitis, thirst.

It sounds like you're using the liquid pergolide.If Radar were mine I would go to the capsules.The liquid has stability issues.

Can you attach his case history link to your signature when you post so that we can review it?

Sorry about this setback.
Hang in.It's really tough.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf


Re: Results from the Emergency Diet

Lorna <briars@...>
 

It's been one week on the Emergency Diet and her feet are great. No heat at all, pulse is harder to find. And for the last week the weather here has been -4 degrees fahrenheit during the day....

Way to GO, Josee Marie!!

Happy dance for Cashmere. And you!


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf


Re: Results from the Emergency Diet

mjlegault <mjlegault@...>
 

Wonderful news! And yes, changing the diet can, and usually does bring about observable changes very quickly.
Linda
Wow is that amazing, just after one week...
I am so grateful for this group and pray too god that Cashmere
continues to get better :)
Thank You
Marie Josee
Morin-Heights / Canada
Sept.2012

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