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Re: Radar laying down a lot. Soft Rides on today.

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Just a reminder that hoof photos, etc. related to specific IR/PPID horses should be posted here on the main list or into your ECHistory folder, for everyone's benefit.

ECHoof was founded as a place for discussion of general principles and various approaches in general.

The "T" of DDT is of critical importance to every owner of an IR/PPID horse. It's often the most difficult factor to have implemented correctly. At the same time, it is still only one component of DDT so we need to constantly keep the big picture in mind. Keeping all the information is a central, readily accessible, place for all group members facilitates that.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Coat looks like a pig

Lavinia <dnlf@...>
 

Since then, I can still see the clipper marks, his coat is growing in like that of a pig or elephant. There are practically bald areas and then longer hair growing in patches. It seems every day I go out and he has new blacker patches of hair that are longer, shinier and healthier than his regular coat.
Hi Sher,
Many PPID (Cushings) horses have coat/shedding issues. As the days are now getting longer, this signals the body to prepare to shed the winter coat and grow in a "summer" coat. Because he was shaved, it is probably giving him mixed signals as to the type of coat to grow. Plus the PPID will mix up the signals to some degree on top of that. Pergolide many times does not help with the coat issues even when the dose is appropriate to control the ACTH.
Sounds like you'll just need to wait it out and see what kind of coat he will grow in as you get closer to actual spring weather.

Would you please sign your posts with your name, general location and year of joining. Thanks for your help with this.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team


Re: Move-Ease and the USEF/USDF

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, "lauramollrich" wrote:

Can someone please tell me whether or not the ingredients in Move-Ease is on the "Not Allowed" list regarding USEF/USDF/USET sanctioned horse shows?
Yes, it is on the list. There's no equine specific information to give you a withdrawal time though.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Radar laying down a lot. Soft Rides on today.

Lorna <briars@...>
 

Can you kindly tell me where I might post new hoof pics after Radar's big trim yesterday?
Hi Kelsey,

Go to our Photos Folder here - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/photos/album/0/list?order=mtime - or if you are on ECHoof,you can go to the Photos folder there.It's in bar on left side of Messages page,same as here.

Then just add the link to your signature.

Looking forward to seeing them.

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf


Re: Radar laying down a lot. Soft Rides on today.

taigabarks
 

Hi Lorna
Can you kindly tell me where I might post new hoof pics after Radar's big trim yesterday? I'd like some general feedback.

Thank you so much.

Kelsey
RADAR
Nov 2011
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Radar%20and%20Kelsey/

--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, "Lorna" wrote:



Here's the link to add to your signature,Kelsey:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Radar%20and%20Kelsey/


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf


Re: fat pads ?

Nancy C
 

Hi Kathy

You can load your pics here....

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/photos/album/994515116/pic/list>

Or send them to me and I will load. There is plenty of room in the photos section.

Thanks for the offer to share. It will help a lot of folks I think.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

NewEnglandEquineBalance@gmail.com



--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, "Gary & Kathy Saucier" wrote:


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/photos/album/1510741548/pic/lis
t

Album title is Kathy & Magic.
I don't want to load more
on this site as I don't know there is space. Or I can send them to one of
the gurus here to post where appropriate. I didn't have fat pads elsewhere,
just over the eyes plus the swollen sheath.


Re: Source of Doxycilline

CJ Stumpf
 

Hi Chryssa,

Would it be possible to quote a link to the recent studies on doxy vs oxytet that you mentioned please? Or at least quote the institution and authors? I am very interested in the subject of treating Lyme in horses, and the only studies I am aware of in this area are those by YF Chang and TJ Divers at Cornell, on antibiotic treatment of b burgdorferi in ponies, showing oxytet-treated group was apparently be less likely to relapse

Cj 2011 VT

CJ Stumpf
+1.617.816.8766

via iPhone


Re: Peaches is gone: 5-19-86 - 2-1-13

J Amick
 

Melanie, I'm deeply sorry for your loss of Peaches. You have been a super "MOM" thru out the 10 yrs. Rest assurred she is running free in the warm wind and grazing in the lush green pastures until your arrival at the Rainbow Bridge. It's hard to let our horses go. But when you think of her, smile of all the extra good years together. Also, cherish the special bond you both had as that is not always accomplished by many horse persons.

Peaches was special because she had YOU to care for her.....
Will keep you in prayer and thoughts....
Judy-PA
5/06

---- Original Message -----

--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, "Melanie" wrote:

Peaches did not make the night. She went down Wednesday night and has been
in the clinic for the past day and a half and was unable to pass any stools.
We were planning to put her down today. The vet told me that she gave her a
sedative late last evening so she was very relaxed. I am hoping that the
sedative might have helped her cross that bridge as well without too much
more pain. I am thankful for the 24 years she gave me. I am thankful she
could be in a barn in a stall with shavings and pain meds and not outside on
the cold hard ground at 30 below zero. I am sad I wasn't there to comfort
her. Now the monumental task of arrangements to haul her body from the vet
clinic to my property. I cannot get someone to dig (specialized equipment
in this cold hard ground) for a few days so will have to try and tarp her
for now. I am glad I won't have to burn her. I got nearly 10 extra years
with her - she was diagnosed with Insulin Resistance in 2003 - I considered
putting her down back then. She has had a specialized diet and management
since then - and had been treated for Cushings Disease the past two years.
She helped many other horses in those ten years with her story and plight.
It was all good and worth the journey.
Thank you all for your kind thoughts and prayers - she was a gem and a true
ambassador to the Morgan breed. Give your equine beloved an extra scratch
and hug today.. You never know when the last one will be. They are wonderful
teachers and I can't imagine my life without horses.
Run free in those green pastures that have been off limits for 10 years my
dear Peaches!


Melanie













































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Re: Peaches is gone: 5-19-86 - 2-1-13

merlin5clougher <janieclougher@...>
 

Oh, Melanie - Peaches and you have greeted so many of us over the years when we joined this group. She was one very special soul, and you are one very special horse mum. Tears for you today.


Jaini (BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy
BC09
ECIR mod/support

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory/files/Jaini%20Clougher%2C%20Smithers%20BC/


Run free in those green pastures that have been off limits for 10 years my
dear Peaches!



Melanie

Mom to Prairie Hill Peaches

5-19-86 – 2-1-13



Member since 1-04


Re: Peaches is gone: 5-19-86 - 2-1-13

Donna Coughlin
 

Melanie,

You were the best Mom, and Peaches was blessed to have you. As Dr. Kellon just said, "All of our horses leave a legacy" and Peaches' legacy is the love you will feel forever and the learning that she shared with this group.

I'm so glad you can bury her on your farm; she'll watch over all of us.

Donna Coughlin, Duke, Obi and Robin
CT 2009

--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, "Melanie" wrote:

She helped many other horses in those ten years with her story and plight.
It was all good and worth the journey.

Thank you all for your kind thoughts and prayers – she was a gem and a true
ambassador to the Morgan breed. Give your equine beloved an extra scratch
and hug today….
Melanie

Mom to Prairie Hill Peaches

5-19-86 – 2-1-13



Member since 1-04







Re: Peaches is gone: 5-19-86 - 2-1-13

Lisa M. Koch
 

Hi Melanie & Family:

My heart goes out to you in the loss of your gorgeous mare Peaches. Thank you for sharing those wonderful photos of her. The tributes you and your daughter wrote were beautiful ! It's SO HARD to lose your heart horse but know that Peaches will always be with you. Peaches loved you too, she fought a good battle.

Peace and Love to you and your family. I hope your heart heals as you look up and see Peaches galloping thru tall grass and nickering down to you.

Bless you all and Peaches, at rest.

Big Hug,

Lisa M. Koch & Angel Samantha
Long Island, NY
Member 2003


Peaches did not make the night.


WAS: Move-Ease -NOW THREAD CUT

Nancy C
 

In case I wasn't clear enough in last message.

Thread cut.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

NewEnglandEquineBalance@gmail.com


WAS: Move-Ease -NOW thread cut and Posting

Nancy C
 

Sorry Jenny. And all members

You've got the info from here. It's proprietary but the science behind the formula has been discussed. Suggest you write the company.

Trimming is in fact doable on all mobile devices. Please check on it before posting again.

We do have a policy about following posting guide lines and moderated members. Please see message today on posting protocols.

Let's get on with the real business at hand. Helping horses with PPID and IR.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

NewEnglandEquineBalance@gmail.com


Coat looks like a pig

Sher <sher@...>
 

Hi. I know this is probably somewhere on the site but I have not had any success finding it.

My gelding, Carlo, was diagnosed over a year ago with Cushings and IR. He's been on Pergolide and all of a sudden his coat has turned very light (he's a dark bay). I clipped him in December because he was sooo long and we kept having warm spells. Since then, I can still see the clipper marks, his coat is growing in like that of a pig or elephant. There are practically bald areas and then longer hair growing in patches. It seems every day I go out and he has new blacker patches of hair that are longer, shinier and healthier than his regular coat. He's pitiful looking! Anyone else have this problem??????

Other than looking like crap, he seems to be in pretty good spirits and shape.


Re: Peaches is gone: 5-19-86 - 2-1-13

Ronia Gortsos <rvangage@...>
 

Dearest Melanie,


What a lovely tribute to a most wonderful horse. I can tell by your tribute that Peaches was most adored
and loved by you. May she rest peacefully until you meet with her again.




Sincerely,


Ronia & Dillie member since 2008
Toronto

---- Original Message -----
--- In EquineCushings@yahoogroups.com, "Melanie" wrote:
>
> Peaches did not make the night. She went down Wednesday night and has been
> in the clinic for the past day and a half and was unable to pass any stools.
> We were planning to put her down today. The vet told me that she gave her a
> sedative late last evening so she was very relaxed. I am hoping that the
> sedative might have helped her cross that bridge as well without too much
> more pain. I am thankful for the 24 ½ years she gave me. I am thankful she
> could be in a barn in a stall with shavings and pain meds and not outside on
> the cold hard ground at 30 below zero. I am sad I wasn't there to comfort
> her. Now the monumental task of arrangements to haul her body from the vet
> clinic to my property. I cannot get someone to dig (specialized equipment
> in this cold hard ground) for a few days so will have to try and tarp her
> for now. I am glad I won't have to burn her. I got nearly 10 extra years
> with her - she was diagnosed with Insulin Resistance in 2003 - I considered
> putting her down back then. She has had a specialized diet and management
> since then - and had been treated for Cushings Disease the past two years.
>
>
>
> She helped many other horses in those ten years with her story and plight.
> It was all good and worth the journey.
>
>
>
> Thank you all for your kind thoughts and prayers - she was a gem and a true
> ambassador to the Morgan breed. Give your equine beloved an extra scratch
> and hug today.. You never know when the last one will be. They are wonderful
> teachers and I can't imagine my life without horses.
>
>
>
> Run free in those green pastures that have been off limits for 10 years my
> dear Peaches!
>
>
>
> Melanie
>
> Mom to Prairie Hill Peaches
>
> 5-19-86 - 2-1-13
>
>
>
> Member since 1-04
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




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Re: fat pads ?

Saucier Kathy
 

Karen,

Here is an album on our group website of my horse's orbital fat pads and
swollen sheath. I have more photos of the eyes if you want me to send them
to you. Don't think I loaded the best one on this album as the angle is
kind of close. The others show a more normal angle of viewing the horse.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/photos/album/1510741548/pic/lis
t

Album title is Kathy & Magic.

If you want to see other personal photos, PM me. I don't want to load more
on this site as I don't know there is space. Or I can send them to one of
the gurus here to post where appropriate. I didn't have fat pads elsewhere,
just over the eyes plus the swollen sheath.

After getting the eye pads resolved mostly by removing grain from his diet
and before we got the rest of the diet tighter, they didn't return. But we
used his sheath as a barometer when he got fed something he shouldn't have.
That and excessive peeing.

He was IR & C's 2004-2008 when he was put down.

Hope that helps some more.

Kathy Saucier

Texas

2005

(Magic who was IR & C's and no longer with me, and Grayson who isn't either
of those but has EPM, frequent colics and requires joint injections twice a
year - I traded one set of learning opportunities for another)

Side note - my vet at the time had no idea what was up with his eyes or
sheath. He also only did the Dex suppression test & didn't differentiate IR
from C's. Now he understands IR and is on board with the ACTH test! It
pays to help guide your vet along and share knowledge from this group.


Run Free Peaches

Mary Horbianski
 

Melanie
I am so sorry for your loss, Peaches will be waiting for you at the Rainbow Ridge, where she is now running pain free in the meadows of green grass, and able to once again enjoy doing what a horse should be doing, running,eating grass and enjoying fun in the sun with her buddies,she will be watching you and you will hear her from time to time, she will still talk to you, I know I lost my Tess on Jan 4, to IR, and I really miss her, but I know she is with me in spirit. I will keep you in my prayers, run free Peaches, run free


Re: Move-Ease and the USEF/USDF

im_reich_der_tiere
 

My advanced search as recommended only told me what I already knew - that
Dr. Kellon approves it and that nobody will say what's in it. If there is
an article in the Horse Journal that lists the ingredients - someone please
tell me because I can't find it.

I'm not a spy from some manufacturer. I only say that because I can't
understand why else this weird level of paranoia about saying what the
ingredients are (and i've seen posts from others talking about "lurkers." I
am not one of those, my job has nothing to do with animals, supplements or
bioflavonoids). I just want to know the ingredients. Perhaps Judy could
off list me and let me know? I promise I am not looking to steal your
proprietary formula. I just want to know what's in it!

Sorry for not always trimming. When you are replying on a mobile device
it's not always that easy.

All of my very best regards to those of you who know everything,
Jenny Intrepid Athos Boise 2012

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Nancy <threecatfarm@cyberpine.net> wrote:

**




So...about Movease. It is proprietary. It has been discussed at length
here. It is a bioflavonoid.

Do an advanced archive search on "bioflavonoid" with drkellon as the
author.

Thanks.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

NewEnglandEquineBalance@gmail.com



Re: Move-Ease and the USEF/USDF

Lorna <briars@...>
 

I'd like to underline what Nanc has requested.
Please take one more second before hitting Send.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf


Please help us out by trimming your reply posts of the duplicate material from the original post.


Re: Move-Ease and the USEF/USDF

billie hinton
 

I have seen it go both ways, listing and not listing. To be perfectly
clear, I don't think there is anything wrong with any horse advocate asking
for a list of ingredients - I did myself - but in this case I am satisfied
with the answer I got even if it wasn't an exact formula/list of
ingredients. My point is, she is free to keep it proprietary and you are
free not to use it if that doesn't work for you. I don't see it as some top
secret thing - just a decision by a small company that I respect and will
continue to do business with because of the customer service, products I
trust, and yes, this particular product that works really well for many,
many horses.

billie in nc
2010

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Jenny Hunter <roterhund@gmail.com> wrote:

**


No, it's actually fairly common to list ingredients on a label. I don't
know why the ingredients of this particular supplement are so top secret
and I don't think I'm the only one who would just like to know. Isn't the
whole point of this list for all of us to be as informed as we can about
the health of our horses?

Jenny
Intrepid & Athos 2012 Boise

On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:19 PM, billie hinton billiehinton@gmail.com> wrote:

With reference to Mov-Ease and its ingredients, it's fairly common that
proprietary formulas are used when making supplements. My Best Horse is a
terrific and trustworthy company, this product has been approved by Dr.
Eleanor Kellon, and the price is very very good for this product. It has
done wonders for my two senior Hanoverians and I have checked with Joan
when needed to make sure it's okay with other supplements and a
medication
my old mare is on. I have zero concerns about the formula being
proprietary.

If you have concerns, don't use it. That's the bottom line, imo.

billie in nc
2010

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Jenny roterhund@gmail.com> wrote:

Bumping this up. Why can't we know what is in Move Ease? I, for one,
have
no intention of stealing the proprietary formula and making it myself.
I
wouldn't want to go to all that trouble. I just want to know what is in
this so highly endorsed and recommended product. Is that too much to
ask?
So why can't we know what's in it? Proprietary only means 'we won't
tell
you' and it's not the most comforting thing to hear when you are
looking to
do what's best for your beloved horses....why should the ingredients
be a
secret?

Jenny
Intrepid*Athos
Boise 2012

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:29 PM, jackmason100 jackmason100@zoho.com
wrote:
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This highlights the importance of transparency. Isn't it time
manufacturers declared what is in their products. Surely the fact
that it
is endorsed by Dr Kellon misses the point. How can she possibly know
all
the circumstances under which it will be used? Personally I won't buy
anything that doesn't fully declare its ingredients.

Jack
UK. Apr 12





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