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Re: "Still need assistance Lexington, KY"

martha williams
 

Many thanks to Sandra Keller and Laura K.

Sandra - I will get in touch with Southern States first thing tomorrow.

Laura K. - Yes she can (and does) eat soaked hay. But the ODBTC have
been part of her regime for a long time, and I feel they have value
because of
the minerals, etc. Also, I fear making changes (she is quite fragile
at the
moment), and I'm thinking that making as few changes as possible would
be a good plan - The hay is different, albeit of good quality. ( I
plan to get it tested.)
Thanks again. M. Williams/D.Dubrow NYC/Hudson ValleyNY
'08


Re: Prascend better am or pm?

reypunky
 

Check message 80571. That was before it seemed that most horse did better on once a day dosing, but it discusses am vs pm.

Vicki
SE/PA 11/02


Re: Please adivse on what to do.

Mule Maid
 

Well, shoot fire...how in the world do I change the CH so it can be opened? It pops right up for me....Cotton picken confusers, anyway. I have been waiting for the vet to fax me the report to even start to update. When I get it, I will try and make a change.
Ears to Ya!

Mulemaid


Re: Which Hay to Buy - Four samples - More info

Chanda
 

I know growing conditions will vary, but I like the looks of the ESC and starch on the Crested, if this is common for Crested; then mine should be pretty safe.
thanks for the info.
chanda
MT 9/04

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Tamara" <tamararutley@...> wrote:
Here are the numbers for those that are not a member of history 7

Crested Wheat Grass
WSC - 21.9
ESC - 6.1
starch - .2

Barker's Brome
WSC - 13.2
ESC - 5.1
starch 1.2

LAST YEARS

#1 Brome - they did really well on this one
WSC - 2.8
ESC - 3.3
starch - .2

Ditch hay - could not have free choice
WSC - 10.9
ESC - 5.4
starch - .2

Thank you
Tamara Sk, Canada

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/echistory7/files/Tamara%2C%20Sask/


Re: Still Need Assistance in Lexington, KY area:

gypsylassie
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., martha williams <mjwd444@...> wrote:

Martha, Can she chew hay, or does she need a softer style food?
Laura K. Chappie & Beau
N.IL.2011


Prascend better am or pm?

Kc <karenclarinet@...>
 

Hi,
I learned here that it is usually better to give Prascend all together, either full dose in am or full dose in pm.
My question is whether It is better to give (5) Prascend in the morning or the night?

I feed late morning about 10 AM and early evening at about 6 PM So that Serrano gets his cimetidine every eight hours. ( I have a pill machine that feeds at 2 AM.)

I usually do the morning feeding and have helpers for the evening because I'm a musician.
If there is no difference on the timing of the Prascend I should probably do it myself in the morning?

Serrano is doing well but has gotten very good at spitting out pills.
Many thanks,
Karen and Serrano September 2012 California

Sent from my iPad


Re: Still Need Assistance in Lexington, KY area:

gypsylassie
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., martha williams <mjwd444@...> wrote:

Martha,
I just sent an email about your dilemma to a friend who lives in Bowling Green, Ky. It's a bit of a distance, but I'll let you know if I get any possible solutions for you.
Laura K. Chappie & Beau
N.IL.2011


Re: Here's to happy donkeys!

 

You made my day, too, Alex!!! Fuzzy nuzzles to those donkettes (and the rest of your crew, of course)!

Jannalee


Re: Still Need Assistance in Lexington, KY area:

 

I just called Southern States in Lexington KY. They can ORDER in the cubes
(buy don't have them in stock). There is nota minimum. Here is the
contact information

Address: 2570 Palumbo Dr, Lexington, KY
Phone:(859) 255-7524
Prices:
$$$$
Hours:

Friday hours 7:30 am6:00 pm

FYI, they know them as Timothy Balancer Cubes. I get them at the Southern
States in Huntington WV about 2 hours north east of your horse. and the
first time I called they were confused but were going to check on ordering
them in. When they found the info we discovered we were talking about the
same thing and they had them in stock. the sad thing is that my SS may be
closing so I'm going to have to look for another source.

Sandi and Cody in WV
2007


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:03 PM, martha williams <mjwd444@...> wrote:

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1 .Since there is no possible source of ODBTC in this area, and since a
very laminitic horse
is used to these cubes as an important part of her diet, what would be
a substitute that
would be feasible in a hospital type situation?
2. Where can we find the information about excessive iron -we have
already checked the file on
that subject. (Maybe didn't look in the right place.)
Question: What ranges are considered acceptable? And is 131 ppm As
Sampled
excessive?
Thank you very much. M. Williams/D.Dubrow NYC/Hudson
Valley, NY '08

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Re: Can sweat wraps in 100+ F weather trigger Laminitis/Founder

loes <loes1@...>
 

Thank you Dr. Kellon and Thank you Suzie.
Loes, SO CAL 2008


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Thank you Laura K Chappie& Beau ODBTC is up north NY state. Horse in hospital in Lexington KY. No truck . IS THERE SOME SUBSTITUTE FOR. ODBTC? ALSO request info re iron in hay. Is 131 As Sampled excessive?

martha williams
 

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Nancy <threecatfarm@...> wrote:

 

Congrats to you, Alex, and to Jannalee! Great story and great example of why we all work so hard at this. You made my day.

Excellent work.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.

ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, Jacksonville Oregon, September 27-29, 2013.

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--- In EquineCushings@..., "Alexandria" <alexandriapallas@...> wrote:

Hi,

Jannalee suggested that I post what I wrote to her about my donkeys.


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Re: Please adivse on what to do.

Connie Proceviat <connieproceviat@...>
 

Just joined the group a couple weeks ago. Have been reading and learning every chance I get. Has been a wealth of info. Wow! I have 2 geldings diagnosed with IR March 2013. Working on implementing emergency diet. Have seen very positive results already. Just posted Sindri's case study. Would appreciate any feedback. Will post Falki's case study and pics of both as quickly as I can.  Almost out of exisitng hay supply but should get new crop next week then will sample and get analyzed.
 
Connie along with Sindri and Falki
Manitoba Canada


Re: Still Need Assistance in Lexington, KY area:

gypsylassie
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., martha williams <mjwd444@...> wrote:

1 .Since there is no possible source of ODBTC in this area, and since a
very laminitic horse is used to these cubes as an important part of her diet, what would be
a substitute that would be feasible in a hospital type situation?...
Hi Martha,
Is the horse already down there? You probably already thought of this, but is there any way someone going to visit the horse could take a load of ODTBCs with them? Up to one pallet of ODTBCs will fit in the bed of a pick up truck that has a topper.
I don't know if it is allowed to give her name, moderators?, but there is a member down in Lexington that may not be following the posts right now. She might have some ideas. She has a great DIY Ice boot in the "emergency protocol - horse got out on grass" folder.
Laura K. Chappie & Beau
N.IL.2011


Re: Here's to happy donkeys!

Nancy C
 

Congrats to you, Alex, and to Jannalee! Great story and great example of why we all work so hard at this. You made my day.

Excellent work.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.

ECIR Group Inc. NO Laminitis! Conference, Jacksonville Oregon, September 27-29, 2013.

Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Alexandria" <alexandriapallas@...> wrote:

Hi,

Jannalee suggested that I post what I wrote to her about my donkeys.


Still Need Assistance in Lexington, KY area:

martha williams
 

1 .Since there is no possible source of ODBTC in this area, and since a
very laminitic horse
is used to these cubes as an important part of her diet, what would be
a substitute that
would be feasible in a hospital type situation?
2. Where can we find the information about excessive iron -we have
already checked the file on
that subject. (Maybe didn't look in the right place.)
Question: What ranges are considered acceptable? And is 131 ppm As
Sampled
excessive?
Thank you very much. M. Williams/D.Dubrow NYC/Hudson
Valley, NY '08


Re: Questions on "veil"

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I would cut back to 1.5 until back to normal. You can give Prascend in 0.25 doses by dissolving a half tab in 8 to 10 mL of water and only giving half. Give the other half the next day.

Is your diet tight?

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Equi-Ananlytical

Lavinia <dnlf@...>
 

Just spoke to Chris at EA. Their mineral analyser broke down last week and has just been repaired so they are somewhat backed up on hay analyses. They are working overtime to catch up so any samples that have been sent in the last week or so will take a few extra days to process.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team


Re: Compensated IR - what is it?

Lavinia <dnlf@...>
 

Hi Connie,
Thanks in advance for the pics and history - they will help us help you more fully. Great that you have an understanding of the theory of diet balancing - sometimes that's the biggest stumbling block. Dr. Kellon offers a course on nutrition and balancing for horses called NRC Plus that might interest you. Check out the particulars here:
www.drkellon.com

Can I sweet talk you into adding your general location and year of joining to your signature, as well as deleting most of the message you are replying to. With the high message volume on the list it helps keep thing running much more smoothly. Appreciate your help with this.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team


Questions on "veil"

Judy Slayton
 

Hi everyone,

I recently updated Katie's history. She has been doing well on 1.5mg Prascend. Retested a few weeks ago and acth had climbed to 22. Because we had been seeing a few symptoms we decided to increase to 2.mg. My feeling was we needed a .25mg increase but since that is not possible with prascend went up .50mg. It is now day 7 and not going well. She is very dopey, sedated almost like everything is on a 9 second delay and will not eat. She has only eaten approx. 5lbs of hay in 3 days. Just stands at the water bucket and zones out. Each day she is getting worse instead of better. This very UNUSUAL for her. Her prior side effects from Prascend when starting or changing dose is agitation, mild neuro type/spacy and will go off minerals but not hay. It is new hay but she had eaten 2 bales prior to the dose increase and my icey is eating the hay fine with no ill effects so definitely because of Prascend. And she is still thin. Will hardly even eat alfalfa. My secret weapon and her favorite food. She is very sensitive to drugs and a Thanksgiving Day crasher. I do no think she can get thru another bout of laminitis. So, would it help to:

1. divide dose morning and evening?
2. Give her 1 more week on higher dose and if no improvement, cut back down to 1.5mg that she can tolerate? I do not want to use APF as she did not do well on it before.
3. Beg vet to write rx for .25 compounded perg and use prascend for balance of dose?
4. Any suggestions?

Thanks so much. We have made such good progress finally, don't want to screw up now.
Best,
Judy&KatieMojaveDesert
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/photos/album/2107429846/pic/list
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory6/files/Judy%26KatieSoCal/


Re: Please adivse on what to do.

Lavinia <dnlf@...>
 

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Vicky%20S.%20IL%20/
Hi Vicky,
Per her history, she was on pasture, Gro Stong minerals and loose mineralised salt. Is she still on these? If so, need to stop them. Also should have vit E up to 1400iu for her size, plus 1.5 oz iodized table salt.
Her insulin value was 16.88, which gives her a RISQ score of 2.24, and leptin was 5.53. This make her compensated IR as well as PPID so need to address the diet side of things as well as the ACTH for the PPID. Have you had your hay analysed and mineral balanced? Do you have foot photos so that we can assess her trim as she did rotate?
Agree with Lorna and Nancy that is also looks as if she may need a pergolide boost as with the rise her ACTH will be going higher. But that will not solve the entire issue if the IR is not being addressed.
Many people cannot open the works document so if you could put the update up as a pdf it would really help. Thansk.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team

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