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Iron and Leptin Testing in the UK

Ange Moore
 

Hi,  thought I'd just post to let those of you in the UK know...

 

Liphook can now test Iron levels (still waiting for my results to see exactly what they cover in their test) and are also working on a Leptin test, although it's not yet commercially available from them.

 

Not sure how long they've been doing Iron, so some of you may already know about it, but thought I'd post, just in case, as my vet didn't know about it until he asked them.

 

Cheers,

Ange and Millie Moore

UK, joined Sept 2013


Re: Stabul 1 can be ordered at Tractor Supply

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Hi Jennifer,


I spoke with Anderson Feed yesterday (Thursday, 10/31) and I was told that one could order Stabul 1 through any Tractor Supply store across the country.  I was, also, told it was a 10 bag minimum. 


Laura's suggestion to get a free sample from Anderson Feed is a good idea.  



Kathy Brinkerhoff


SE/WI  10/12





Re: Got some questions

KC
 

I guess I'm a little confused then. Is the number you looked for to check for starch & sugar
different for hay/grass vs grain? I have been looking at the NSC when evaluating grain
and thought it was the same for hay/grass. It sounds like it might be different numbers that I need
to look at for each.
 
Kathy in Ohio


Re: Requesting Blanketing Guidelines for Apron-Clipped Horse

gypsylassie
 

 



---In EquineCushings@..., <equinecushings@...> wrote:

Can someone please give me some guidelines for when to sheet, blanket, and neck cover my horse?

 

Hi Dana,

A few thoughts to add to the ideas you've gotten so far.  With my boys I don't rush to blanket because the horse's hair coat insulates well and is meant to "stand up" when it gets really cold. The blanket just mooshes the hair down and negates its insulating effect.  But with an older, thinner horse that is clipped,and has health issues,  a blanket may very well be needed.  I would just keep an eye on Lil Bit, (he looks like a sweet old guy) to see if he's shivering, or looks "all tucked up" trying to get warm. Especially if it's windy &/or wet.  As has been mentioned, I also watch the temps. When my old guy Cheech was still alive I did blanket him when the temps and wind chill got bad. (I can't remember the exact temps)  One time Cheech lay down in the snow (not blanketed that day) and fell asleep long enough to get very chilled, to the point where he was quite "out of it".  I got him to his stall and put a wool cooler on him, and once he warmed up, he started to eat and was fine.  But after that, I kept an even closer watch on him and the temps and wind chill.  I also would run my hand under the blanket to be sure he wasn't too hot under there either.  Any blanket or sheet should be waterproof and breathable.  

I haven't been blanketing my 2 current boys much,  but I do like using wool or fleece coolers to put on them when they come in wet and I have to feed their hay inside.  The coolers wick a lot of moisture off and speed drying time.  They should usually only be used indoors, you don't want a wet cooler on them, in the weather, and I have more than one for each boy, so I can change them if they get pretty damp.  I love coolers.  They come in contoured shapes that cover the neck, and are better than the square ones that cover the neck, but also hang down and can be stepped on if they're eating hay from the floor.   

Laura K Chappie & Beau

N.IL.2011



Re: Got some questions

PapBallou@...
 

Gad - I just had a message typed out and then it was gone.

NSC really doesn't tell us much.  It is water soluble carbs (WSC) + starch.  We need to know simple sugars (ESC) + starch since there are plant fractions in the WSC that do not play a role in glucose/insulin response.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004

 



---In equinecushings@..., <kmc_26101@...> wrote:

<Snapshot, yes. Sugar and starch, no> Linda, I went back and look at the reports again after I thought about your message a little more. The NSC values are there just not listed in the main part of the report.
 
1st Cutting - 15.37
2nd Cutting - 13.03
Pasture - 6.60
 
Kathy in Ohio


Re: Stabul 1 can be ordered at Tractor Supply

gypsylassie
 

 



---In EquineCushings@..., <equinecushings@...> wrote:

Laura, is this true for all Tractor Supply stores or just the one near you?  

  


Jennifer, 

Anderson Feed said they have an agreement with the corporate office of Tractor Supply for Stabul 1 to be on their "special order" list in all of their stores.  He did say that some of the managers at some of the T.S. stores might not be "up to speed" on the agreement, but if that happens, the store manager can call Anderson Feed for the details, or  verify with Corporate.  

Laura K. Chappie & Beau

N.IL.2011


Re: Feeding an IR horse during a 25-mile competitive trail ride

 

Thank you Dr. Kellon!  Will save the carrots and beet pulp for immediately after the ride and hopefully there will be grasses along the trail to let him eat small amounts of frequently during the ride. Might stash some orchard grass hay in baggies too, to keep in my saddle bags.  Thanks again for the advice.

 

Jennifer & Shahtahr

Clovis, CA 2012 


Re: Stabul 1 can be ordered at Tractor Supply

 

Laura, is this true for all Tractor Supply stores or just the one near you?  I've been trying to find it for a long time, all I can find around here is TC Lite, which might still be too high in S & S. 

 

Jennifer & Shahtahr

Clovis, CA

2012 


Re: Got some questions

KC
 

Linda, I went back and look at the reports again after I thought about your message a little more. The NSC values are there just not listed in the main part of the report.
 
1st Cutting - 15.37
2nd Cutting - 13.03
Pasture - 6.60
 
Kathy in Ohio


Stabul 1 can be ordered at Tractor Supply

gypsylassie
 

I was just talking to Anderson Feed and they said we can now get Stabul 1 at Tractor Supply.  It's a special order item and requires a 10 bag order, but it definitely is now available.  Just have to talk to the store manager and if they're hesitant, they can call Anderson Feed to set up delivery.  Probably a good idea to get the free sample of Stabul 1 from Anderson Feed just to be sure the horse likes it. 
Laura K. Chappie & Beau
N.IL.2011


Re: Millie Moore's Latest Blood Profiles - Looking Good!?

Ange Moore
 

Thanks Dr. Kellon.  Just the iron to wait for now - have to say that I'm very relieved - I'd convinced myself that she was going to be IR!

 

Ange & Millie Moore


Re: Feeding an IR horse during a 25-mile competitive trail ride

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

There's no one size fits all answer to this question. Some horses do just fine on hay only. Others need more concentrated carb support, especially AFTER exercise, to keep good endurance.

If you feed to raise blood sugar before exercise, you will increase muscle reliance on glucose which is not a good idea unless you need high speed.  If you feed it during the ride, you will have to have closely spaced meals (every 1 to 2 hours, depends on the horse) to avoid peaks and valleys.

It's important to keep intake of hay or pasture up during the  ride to provide chloride needed to avoid the metabolic alkalosis common on endurance rides.  Beet pulp is not a good source. Also give 2 oz of plain salt the night before and 4 oz over the course  of the ride. This should keep him drinking well.

For the first ride, I'd try to stick to predominantly hay. You could try something like filling a large spray  bottle with carrot or apple juice and spraying it on his hay. My go-to recovery meal is 50:50 beet pulp and plain oats within an hour after exercise.  Fine to add carrots or apples to that.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Got some questions

KC
 

 
After talking with them last week, I got the feeling it wasn't going to be much help. At the time (which was a month ago) when I submitted these samples for testing I had no clue what I was doing. Now, that I have a little better understanding I realized I made a mistake by sending it through them. The only good thing I did was I took a large sample amount so I have enough to do a retest. So, I sent a sample of the 1st cutting to EA a few days ago which is what I'm feeding her right now. I will send the 2nd cutting sample in a week or so once I get paid again. It won't paid me to do my pasture until spring.
 
Even though, the tests aren't ideal. It does make me wonder if my problems with my mare are more nutrition issues than health issues. This whole thing has made me realize that I haven't been doing a very good job with feeding her.
 
Kathy in Ohio
 


Re: Millie Moore's Latest Blood Profiles - Looking Good!?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes, everything looks good. The low lymphs (and elevated monocytes) can just be a nonspecific stress response to recent exercise, anxiety about vet, etc.


Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Exacerbated eye problem

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

If related to Prascend at all it  would be because dose is too low, not too high or a side effect. Have her examined and follow your vet's recommendations for symptom control. Also recheck ACTH.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001

>
> Pauli is now two and a half weeks into the prascend treatment and on 1 mg per day.
>
> The hollows above her eyes are still swollen, the eyelids around the eye are swollen as well.
> Should I be patient and wait to see how this develops? Is there an explanation for this recurring again?
> Any ideas or suggestions?
> Thanks for your input!
>
> Marianne ( *Jannepauli*)
> EC June, 2011 - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Marianne/
> The Netherlands
>


Feeding an IR horse during a 25-mile competitive trail ride

 

Hi all,

 

My 19 year old gelding Shahtahr is IR.  He remains in the "high risk" zone despite diet and exercise (I tried pergolide for six weeks to see if it would help and it had no effect).

 

He foundered mildly 2 years ago and we have been steadily bringing him back to work, and have been training to get back into CTR for the past several months.  He is shod in Eponas and is doing great, despite what his numbers say.

 

This Saturday, we will be doing our first 25-mile CTR in several years.  I think this sport can only do him good, considering his IR status, which is one of the reasons I decided to get into it again.

 

I was wondering what I can and should feed him the day before, and the day of, the ride.  His insulin at last blood draw on 9/25 was 35 (upper end of Cornell's range) and glucose 89 - still high risk for laminitis.

 

I used to feed him lots of carrots and apples during a ride to help with energy and hydration and some the night before mixed in his beet pulp to get him to finish it (he gets picky at rides).  Can I feed these during the ride? I imagine he'll be burning off the glucose right away as we'll be trotting many of those 25 miles.  Or am I playing with fire and should stick with celery - his only treat these days which he doesn't love, but will eat.

 

Right now I'm feeding him tested orchard grass hay, minerals in 3 cups TC Lite, and RSR beet pulp.

 

Any tips for the day of the ride would be welcomed.  I'm just not sure what's okay and what's not for an IR horse during a long day of exercise.

 

Thanks,
Jennifer & Shahtahr

Clovis, CA  2012


Re: Got some questions

PapBallou@...
 

Kathy -


Snapshot, yes.  Sugar and starch, no.  Looks like the analysis typically done for cattle/dairy.  Not certain they will be of much help other than to figure energy and major minerals.


Linda

EC Primary Response

West Coast

May 2004




---In EquineCushings@..., <equinecushings@...> wrote:

I finally got my hay test results back from my feed store. They aren't as detailed as what you
get from equi-analytical but it at least gives a snapshot of what's in the hay. There's 3 files under
my case history. They are label 1st cutting, 2nd cutting & my pasture. It covers all that she eats
at least forage wise. What your thoughts on results?
 
 
Before anyone asks, no I haven't got her tested yet. I feel like I'm giving you all excuses around
the testing but my luck this year has sucked. It's been one problem after another. This time
it was my car and what money I had set aside to pay for testing went to my car so the testing is
going to have to wait.
 
Thanks
Kathy in Ohio


Re: Got some questions

KC
 

I finally got my hay test results back from my feed store. They aren't as detailed as what you
get from equi-analytical but it at least gives a snapshot of what's in the hay. There's 3 files under
my case history. They are label 1st cutting, 2nd cutting & my pasture. It covers all that she eats
at least forage wise. What your thoughts on results?
 
 
Before anyone asks, no I haven't got her tested yet. I feel like I'm giving you all excuses around
the testing but my luck this year has sucked. It's been one problem after another. This time
it was my car and what money I had set aside to pay for testing went to my car so the testing is
going to have to wait.
 
Thanks
Kathy in Ohio


Re: deleting

Skylane <skylane@...>
 

Look for the little link re "privacy" or "terms of service" and read it.
I cant take a look at the site because I can not get the URL to work.
I removed the spaces.. did not work. I tried removing the "%" signs... still not working.
Jusr for the heck of it, let me try another way to put a link in...
<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/post?act=reply&messageNum=182993>
If it shows up as a link It just goes to this post.

Michael~
aka Mike & Spike
San Jose, Ca
Oct 10
It appears that hyperlinks no long appear in yahoo groups
--- In EquineCushings@..., <bon.ivey@...> wrote:
"I agree to the terms of service". What terms? What service? Who will get my name and email?


Getting suspicious in my old age, Bonnie Ivey, Ontario 12/08


Re: deleting

Nancy C
 

 Laura, Select all in Windows is *I think* is control+A.


I'm on a MAC


I really appreciate your negotiating the  learning curve. This NEO thing is a PITA especially as we go through our most difficult time for our horses.


In order to function on this platform everyone needs to know  how to drive your computer, basic short cut commands, to help us help you.


Googling HOW TO..... can be helpful.


Nancy C in NH
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