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Re: Stabul 1 can be ordered at Tractor Supply

gypsylassie
 

 



---In EquineCushings@..., <equinecushings@...> wrote:

One more bit of clarification........I just spoke with Randy at Anderson Feed.  The 10 bag minimum is for the store - not the individual.  In other words, the store must commit to 10 bags, not you.  If you can line up a couple of people in your area.....
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Stabul 1 is also still available at any local feed store that is willing to order for us.
Laura K. Chappie & Beau
N.IL.2011


Re: Got some questions

dnlf@...
 

Hi Kathy,

No, you need the ESC+Starch numbers for anything that you are going to feed. NSC was the old method used to measure sugar/starch before the testing was able to differentiate between the various sugar fractions. The NSC number is still being used by many feed companies but doesn't provide the best information you need.


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Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

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Re: Stabul 1 can be ordered at Tractor Supply

Valletta Lochridge
 

One more bit of clarification........I just spoke with Randy at Anderson Feed.  The 10 bag minimum is for the store - not the individual.  In other words, the store must commit to 10 bags, not you.  If you can line up a couple of people in your area who are interested in using the Stabul 1, the TSC manager might be more comfortable ordering the 10 bags.  The manager can call the TSC corporate office or Anderson Feed for assistance placing the order.  The shelf life of the bagged feed is 8-10 months but Randy says that the flavoring will start to lose potency sooner than that.  Woo Hoo!  My sample is on the way!

Valletta with Dot, Roscoe and Nick in central CA
Jan 2012


Re: Stabul 1 can be ordered at Tractor Supply

ferne fedeli
 

Do you have any idea about the shelf life of Stabul 1???  If I ordered 10 bags, it would be lasting me for 3-4 months and I'm worried that it might get bugs in it by then...  Guess I should call them and ask.
Ferne Fedeli
No. California
4/2010


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:05 AM, <kathbrink@...> wrote:
 

Hi Jennifer,


I spoke with Anderson Feed yesterday (Thursday, 10/31) and I was told that one could order Stabul 1 through any Tractor Supply store across the country.  I was, also, told it was a 10 bag minimum. 


Laura's suggestion to get a free sample from Anderson Feed is a good idea.  



Kathy Brinkerhoff


SE/WI  10/12






---In EquineCushings@..., <equinecushings@...> wrote:

I was just talking to Anderson Feed and they said we can now get Stabul 1 at Tractor Supply.  It's a special order item and requires a 10 bag order, but it definitely is now available.  Just have to talk to the store manager and if they're hesitant, they can call Anderson Feed to set up delivery.  Probably a good idea to get the free sample of Stabul 1 from Anderson Feed just to be sure the horse likes it. 
Laura K. Chappie & Beau
N.IL.2011



Hold off on Move-Ease?

lauramollrich
 

I had my vet come do a check-up on P about two weeks ago because he has been really grumpy.  (She also does acupuncture with stimulus.)  We didn't want to scope him because of stress.  He has been on a course of two weeks of UlcerGard and is feeling much happier--not so girthy. 

 

He has been getting Move-Ease for a long time (over a year) because I believe in it.  I notice a difference if I don't give it to him for a week because I forgot to order.

 

My question is, during the healing time of his ulcer(s) should I hold off on giving him the Move-Ease?  I know that the ingredients are proprietary (don't care because it works!), but is there anything in there that can make his stomach irritated?

 

Thanks,

 

Laura

Laguna Beach, CA

1/2012

 

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Iron and Leptin Testing in the UK

Ange Moore
 

Hi,  thought I'd just post to let those of you in the UK know...

 

Liphook can now test Iron levels (still waiting for my results to see exactly what they cover in their test) and are also working on a Leptin test, although it's not yet commercially available from them.

 

Not sure how long they've been doing Iron, so some of you may already know about it, but thought I'd post, just in case, as my vet didn't know about it until he asked them.

 

Cheers,

Ange and Millie Moore

UK, joined Sept 2013


Re: Stabul 1 can be ordered at Tractor Supply

Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Hi Jennifer,


I spoke with Anderson Feed yesterday (Thursday, 10/31) and I was told that one could order Stabul 1 through any Tractor Supply store across the country.  I was, also, told it was a 10 bag minimum. 


Laura's suggestion to get a free sample from Anderson Feed is a good idea.  



Kathy Brinkerhoff


SE/WI  10/12





Re: Got some questions

KC
 

I guess I'm a little confused then. Is the number you looked for to check for starch & sugar
different for hay/grass vs grain? I have been looking at the NSC when evaluating grain
and thought it was the same for hay/grass. It sounds like it might be different numbers that I need
to look at for each.
 
Kathy in Ohio


Re: Requesting Blanketing Guidelines for Apron-Clipped Horse

gypsylassie
 

 



---In EquineCushings@..., <equinecushings@...> wrote:

Can someone please give me some guidelines for when to sheet, blanket, and neck cover my horse?

 

Hi Dana,

A few thoughts to add to the ideas you've gotten so far.  With my boys I don't rush to blanket because the horse's hair coat insulates well and is meant to "stand up" when it gets really cold. The blanket just mooshes the hair down and negates its insulating effect.  But with an older, thinner horse that is clipped,and has health issues,  a blanket may very well be needed.  I would just keep an eye on Lil Bit, (he looks like a sweet old guy) to see if he's shivering, or looks "all tucked up" trying to get warm. Especially if it's windy &/or wet.  As has been mentioned, I also watch the temps. When my old guy Cheech was still alive I did blanket him when the temps and wind chill got bad. (I can't remember the exact temps)  One time Cheech lay down in the snow (not blanketed that day) and fell asleep long enough to get very chilled, to the point where he was quite "out of it".  I got him to his stall and put a wool cooler on him, and once he warmed up, he started to eat and was fine.  But after that, I kept an even closer watch on him and the temps and wind chill.  I also would run my hand under the blanket to be sure he wasn't too hot under there either.  Any blanket or sheet should be waterproof and breathable.  

I haven't been blanketing my 2 current boys much,  but I do like using wool or fleece coolers to put on them when they come in wet and I have to feed their hay inside.  The coolers wick a lot of moisture off and speed drying time.  They should usually only be used indoors, you don't want a wet cooler on them, in the weather, and I have more than one for each boy, so I can change them if they get pretty damp.  I love coolers.  They come in contoured shapes that cover the neck, and are better than the square ones that cover the neck, but also hang down and can be stepped on if they're eating hay from the floor.   

Laura K Chappie & Beau

N.IL.2011



Re: Got some questions

PapBallou@...
 

Gad - I just had a message typed out and then it was gone.

NSC really doesn't tell us much.  It is water soluble carbs (WSC) + starch.  We need to know simple sugars (ESC) + starch since there are plant fractions in the WSC that do not play a role in glucose/insulin response.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004

 



---In equinecushings@..., <kmc_26101@...> wrote:

<Snapshot, yes. Sugar and starch, no> Linda, I went back and look at the reports again after I thought about your message a little more. The NSC values are there just not listed in the main part of the report.
 
1st Cutting - 15.37
2nd Cutting - 13.03
Pasture - 6.60
 
Kathy in Ohio


Re: Stabul 1 can be ordered at Tractor Supply

gypsylassie
 

 



---In EquineCushings@..., <equinecushings@...> wrote:

Laura, is this true for all Tractor Supply stores or just the one near you?  

  


Jennifer, 

Anderson Feed said they have an agreement with the corporate office of Tractor Supply for Stabul 1 to be on their "special order" list in all of their stores.  He did say that some of the managers at some of the T.S. stores might not be "up to speed" on the agreement, but if that happens, the store manager can call Anderson Feed for the details, or  verify with Corporate.  

Laura K. Chappie & Beau

N.IL.2011


Re: Feeding an IR horse during a 25-mile competitive trail ride

 

Thank you Dr. Kellon!  Will save the carrots and beet pulp for immediately after the ride and hopefully there will be grasses along the trail to let him eat small amounts of frequently during the ride. Might stash some orchard grass hay in baggies too, to keep in my saddle bags.  Thanks again for the advice.

 

Jennifer & Shahtahr

Clovis, CA 2012 


Re: Stabul 1 can be ordered at Tractor Supply

 

Laura, is this true for all Tractor Supply stores or just the one near you?  I've been trying to find it for a long time, all I can find around here is TC Lite, which might still be too high in S & S. 

 

Jennifer & Shahtahr

Clovis, CA

2012 


Re: Got some questions

KC
 

Linda, I went back and look at the reports again after I thought about your message a little more. The NSC values are there just not listed in the main part of the report.
 
1st Cutting - 15.37
2nd Cutting - 13.03
Pasture - 6.60
 
Kathy in Ohio


Stabul 1 can be ordered at Tractor Supply

gypsylassie
 

I was just talking to Anderson Feed and they said we can now get Stabul 1 at Tractor Supply.  It's a special order item and requires a 10 bag order, but it definitely is now available.  Just have to talk to the store manager and if they're hesitant, they can call Anderson Feed to set up delivery.  Probably a good idea to get the free sample of Stabul 1 from Anderson Feed just to be sure the horse likes it. 
Laura K. Chappie & Beau
N.IL.2011


Re: Millie Moore's Latest Blood Profiles - Looking Good!?

Ange Moore
 

Thanks Dr. Kellon.  Just the iron to wait for now - have to say that I'm very relieved - I'd convinced myself that she was going to be IR!

 

Ange & Millie Moore


Re: Feeding an IR horse during a 25-mile competitive trail ride

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

There's no one size fits all answer to this question. Some horses do just fine on hay only. Others need more concentrated carb support, especially AFTER exercise, to keep good endurance.

If you feed to raise blood sugar before exercise, you will increase muscle reliance on glucose which is not a good idea unless you need high speed.  If you feed it during the ride, you will have to have closely spaced meals (every 1 to 2 hours, depends on the horse) to avoid peaks and valleys.

It's important to keep intake of hay or pasture up during the  ride to provide chloride needed to avoid the metabolic alkalosis common on endurance rides.  Beet pulp is not a good source. Also give 2 oz of plain salt the night before and 4 oz over the course  of the ride. This should keep him drinking well.

For the first ride, I'd try to stick to predominantly hay. You could try something like filling a large spray  bottle with carrot or apple juice and spraying it on his hay. My go-to recovery meal is 50:50 beet pulp and plain oats within an hour after exercise.  Fine to add carrots or apples to that.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: Got some questions

KC
 

 
After talking with them last week, I got the feeling it wasn't going to be much help. At the time (which was a month ago) when I submitted these samples for testing I had no clue what I was doing. Now, that I have a little better understanding I realized I made a mistake by sending it through them. The only good thing I did was I took a large sample amount so I have enough to do a retest. So, I sent a sample of the 1st cutting to EA a few days ago which is what I'm feeding her right now. I will send the 2nd cutting sample in a week or so once I get paid again. It won't paid me to do my pasture until spring.
 
Even though, the tests aren't ideal. It does make me wonder if my problems with my mare are more nutrition issues than health issues. This whole thing has made me realize that I haven't been doing a very good job with feeding her.
 
Kathy in Ohio
 


Re: Millie Moore's Latest Blood Profiles - Looking Good!?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes, everything looks good. The low lymphs (and elevated monocytes) can just be a nonspecific stress response to recent exercise, anxiety about vet, etc.


Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001

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