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Can't access CH

Karen Maruszak
 

I am new to the group.  When I pull up my group and click my name, a blank screen with only the headings pops up.  What am I doing wrong?

Karen - Taz

Beverly Hills, FL

2/2014


Re: Whippoorwill Amulet (Bounce) - ACTH test results and radiographs

Ruth Vale
 


That would be 1 tsp. (small scoop in the container)   .5 mgs.


Re: Whippoorwill Amulet (Bounce) - ACTH test results and radiographs

Lorna Cane
 



Hi Ruth,

>.  He has been on a pergolide (5mg/day) prescription since last November as a precaution.  

Here's a clickable link to Bounce's CH:

Just to clarify is he actually getting 5.0mgs of pergolide? Could it be 0.5mgs, by any chance?

I wouldn't feed Podium to a horse I suspect of being IR (or even one not suspected of being IR,actually).
The fat number is higher than we recommend,at 8%. It also contains molasses, oats, soybean meal - my memory has timed out, but these are not good ingredients for an IR horse.

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Re: Question Feeding Brooks Un-Ti

Ruth Vale
 

I posted Bounce's ACTH results to his Case History this afternoon, but I have a feeding question while I wait for the rest of the test results.
 
In December, at my request, barn owner switched Bounce from MasterFeed Fusion to MasterFeed Podium, along with the ECIR Emergency diet supplement and a handful of Brooks Un-Ti to convince him to eat it.  He doesn't like Podium much - leaves a fair bit behind for later - but will eat it eventually - does not clean it up completely.  He does like the Brooks, looks for it and cleans it up, licks the bowl.   Given the normal ACTH results so far, do you see a problem with switching him over to Un-Ti completely.  During winter, I'm looking for light work, at 2 lbs/day as a maintenance dose to make sure he's getting the trace minerals.  He's an easy keeper but weight is normal - he looks healthy.  I can add the supplement to this feed, until we use up the supplies I have and rule out the need for it.   
 
I'm thinking that I will wean him off pergolide this week, leave him for a month and test again first week of April (we will likely be in winter status at that time given what we've been dealing with up to now!).
 
Masterfeed Podium page here: http://www.masterfeeds.com/equine - scroll down.
Brooks Un Ti here: http://www.masterfeeds.com/equine  - scroll to the bottom.
 
Thanks for your time,


Re: Harvey

takarri@...
 


Deepest sympathies to you Leslie. How special it was for you to spend the last few days together.

Pauline

Jack,Spur

Angel Harry

Australia

Aug 07

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Stabul 1 at Tractor Supply Co./California

ferne fedeli
 

I hadn't realized that Tractor Supply Company stores had been sprouting up like mushrooms in No. California.  I contacted Randy at NuZu Feeds and he recommended that I go to the one in Windsor, so I will stop by next Thursday to talk to someone there named Dean.  If anyone else is interested in the Stabul 1 Feed, let me know.  I'm sure they would be more apt to carry it if several people were interested.
Ferne Fedeli
No. California/Mendocino Country
4/2010


Harvey

Lisa M. Koch
 

Leslie, my heart goes out to you in the loss of Harvey.  Thankfully he passed quickly and you had that extra time with him.  What a GREAT age he lived to be, you took super care of him to have him live this long.  Harvey is watching over you now and running free !

Bless you and Harvey,

Lisa M. Koch
Member 2003
Long Island, NY


Re: Harvey

aet001@...
 

I am so sorry for your loss.  Fly free, Harvey, green grass and blue skies forever.  Amy in PA '06ish (Herbie IR, Darby, and lost beloveds on HIH Echo, Dylan, Pebbles, Cherry, Misty who was C/IR)


---In EquineCushings@..., <Mileslie@...> wrote:

My beautiful first horse Harvey passed away last Monday. Always the gentleman he died instantly at age 30 and I am grateful I had the 5 snow days that week to hang out at home with him. Thanks to this wonderful 

Leslie and Harvey

VA 2011


Whippoorwill Amulet (Bounce) - ACTH test results and radiographs

Ruth Vale
 

I have updated the case history with Bounce's ACTH test results in the file section and provide radiographs taken on 2014-02-25 in the photos section.  Vet finds no significant coffin bone rotation.  (Whew!). 

I am still waiting for results for Leptin, insulin, & non-fasting glucose.   ACTH tests were done at Guelph University.   He is still abscessing - one new abscess hole and one lingering in both heels on RF at last farrier visit.   If we rule out the metabolic issues, we're back to square one trying to find answers for that.

Practically speaking it is difficult to precisely predict if this is due to the pergolide therapy keeping his levels low, or if he is not suffering from PPID at this time.  To differentiate, we will wean down or off the pergolide for a period of time and retest.  He has been on a pergolide (5mg/day) prescription since last November as a precaution.  Next steps is to wean him off pergolide, wait an interval and retest with no pergolide in his system.    Question:  What's the protocol, how long an interval off the pergolide and should re retest before May?   I expect spring to be late, but the earliest grass will be peeking up by mid-April (6wks away - yeah!)

Overall he looks well, and lack of energy could be winter - I haven't been able to do the simplest trail ride arond the quarter track - one or two days a week I ride him in arena, or if it is too cold, turn him loose to play in the arena.  If he bucks & plays he's feeling good.  Other times, he just stands there.    We're in Caledon, Ontario, with to daily temps in the mid teens below zero centigrade, and lows down to -27C and lower.    He's in the barn at night but outside whenever possible, notwithstanding Ice storms, blizzard -  a REAL winter like I've never seen (I'm approaching 60 yrs).

Ruth Vale and Whippoorwill Amulet (Bounce)
joined Sept 2013
Caledon, Ontario CANADA

Case History
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/files/Ruth%20and%20Bounce%20Case%20History%20-%20Ontario%2C%20Canada/
Photos
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/photos/albums/841667078


Re: Requesting Advice From The Group

Nancy C
 

Hi Connie

Do you have a Case History for your boy?

The eye discharge might be from increased insulin levels from the cold. If he is really sore I would not walk him until your trimmer has seen him.

Jiaogulan might be a good idea, or APF.  You'll want to read about them in the FILES section.
Jiaogulan, Nitric Oxide Support, AAKG  Supps tinyurl.com/yge6g9z
APF tinyurl.com/yj575hq
(Read the article on adaptogens)

You can get jherb at mountainroseherbs.com, mybesthorse or herbalcom.com

It's hard to offer more comments or suggestions without seeing all the details.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

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Re: Harvey

Lorna Cane
 





>My beautiful first horse Harvey passed away last Monday. Always the gentleman >he died instantly at age 30 and I am grateful I had the 5 snow days that week to >hang out at home with him. 


Awww,Leslie.I'm so sorry. I know your heart is broken.

You were so blessed  to be home with him,and to know how instantly he left.

Gentleman, indeed.(you made me smile through my tears)


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
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Re: Feed for IR horse ot maintaining weight

Lorna Cane
 



>When Rosie had that problem someone form this group >recommended Buckeye Ultimate 25 - it was great. Just a >half a cup twice a day - she gained 70 lbs in about 2 >months 

**This is very disturbing.**

This Buckeye product would never be recommended by this group.

Here is what Dr. Kellon said about this product yesterday:
We wouldn't recommend a high fat supplement for an IR horse, except for up to 6 oz of flax. That product also contains wheat, rice, oats so likely too much starch.

We cannot emphasize strongly enough the importance of  posts being sent to the  list,as opposed to being sent privately.
 If you receive private advice from a member of this list, please bring it to the group so that it can be examined for appropriateness/safety for your horse.

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Re: Harvey

Cindy McGinley
 

     Leslie, I am so sorry for your loss of Harvey. How kind of him to save you the angst of making choices surrounding his passing. Our first horses are just so very special, and the length of his happy life is a nod to your love for him. Here’s to Harvey without his muzzle! ::: raising a glass :::
 
With Our Deepest Sympathy,
Cindy, Alf, Dare, and Saffron in Central NY
ECIR Support
May 2006
www..blackhorseconsulting.com
 
 

Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:07 AM
Subject: [EquineCushings] Harvey
 


My beautiful first horse Harvey passed away last Monday. Always the gentleman he died instantly at age 30 and I am grateful I had the 5 snow days that week to hang out at home with him. Thanks to this wonderful group for all the help, answering questions and a special thanks to Carol B for balancing my minerals. The wisdom here helped me give him a great quality of life with all the reccomendations. I just did what you told me to do and it worked. I'm always impressed with the compassion and support members give. Thank you again and Harvey is happily in heaven without the darn muzzle!

Leslie and Harvey

VA 2011


Re: Harvey

dnlf@...
 

Awww Leslie,

So sorry for your loss of Harvey. Glad you were able to spend those last few days with him.

Hugs,
Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team



Re: Second Try...Requesting Advice From The Group

Connie Proceviat
 

Hoping someone can advise. Thank you Connie Manitoba Canada Summer 2013


Re: Harvey

Nancy C
 

I'm so sorry Leslie. So glad he had a good end of life. Its one of hte best things we can do for them.

Fly free Sweet Harvey.  Hugs to you Leslie.

Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <Mileslie@...> wrote:

My beautiful first horse Harvey passed away last Monday. Always the gentleman he died instantly at age 30 and I am grateful I had the 5 snow days that week to hang out at home with him. Thanks to this wonderful group for all the help, answering questions and a special thanks to Carol B for balancing my minerals.


feet --boot-- heat-- ice question

bigwhitevan2002
 

Hello Groupies,
----trying to find clever subject lines ,so as not to call up a thread form 1886 and get all confused..my computer keeps doing that.---
Anyhoo, trying to keep Ponys heat and thus inflammation down in her feet requires ice cold hosing etc. this makes sense, I have been vet wrapping frozen peas to her feet and legs while I putt around doing barn chores, she is very tolerant of such things and it works really well rather than standing her in a bucket of ice water,.
She is in her soft rides the rest of the day with Styrofoam inserts that have molded nice little support cups to her feet, for the rest of the day.
???Why are the boots not counter productive? it seems like they would keep heat in, when I take them off her feet are warmer then when I just let her put around in her stall with out them. 
???how long will she have warm feet ?, I am comparing her fronts to her backs and  one back is ice cold one back is slightly warm and the two fronts are warmer but not as bad as last week, some days she is walking all about her stall with no problem and the next day she is walking on egg shells, or laying down a lot more than usual.
Her diet is now 8-10lbs  tested below 6% hay, ( she should weigh about 450lbs) salt, flax, magnesium/chromium, and cal trace. started this on Monday, when I drove like a mad woman to a wonderful supplier 1.5 hours away and procured a ton , 
Pony who has not been allowed hay for years scarfed it down thinking it was a mistake and she should eat it all before I realize it, but now she slowly eats her rations all through the day and night , this is nice to see, as she had been having her voracious appetite back. so I see that change, already but her warm feet bother me,
?? So what about my boot question, do they keep heat in and thus inflammation.?
( my thot process is coming from when 'Shy' our Arab had a high fever we took all blankets off her to help her cool down)
Julie
Oregon06


Trouble finding your way around the ECIR Group lists?

Nancy C
 

There’s so much info here, the links below can help you negotiate the learning
curve and find background to questions and issues:

** DDT+E - Diagnosis, Diet, Trim plus Exercise - What is it?

http://www.ecirhorse.com/index.php/ddt-overview

Once at the above page, click on the list to the left for even more detail.


** What blood testing do I need for diagnosis?

http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview/ddt-diagnosis


** How to get help with Mineral Balancing

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/files/7%20Help%20with%20Miner\
al%20Balancing/



** Table of Contents - searchable document for all the files in three ECIR
Group lists

http://tinyurl.com/6lsvppq


** Archived Messages - How to Search this treasure trove of information and
history in the NEW NEO format

http://tinyurl.com/mntpk67


** Moving OT Topic to sister or related lists

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/message/167167


** Current Case History filing cabinet accepting new member info

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory8/info

Links to ALL Case History Sites  (Scroll down to  Links to ECIR History Sites.pdf) 

tinyurl.com/3hzhwz

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Prascend Experiences and Reporting to the FDA

Nancy C
 


*** Prascend Experiences 

Anxiety is running high over the claim that 1 mg of Prascend (average size horse) will work as well as any dose of compounded pergolide. 

The value of this group lies heavily in members reporting their experiences. 

If you have any information to share about Prascend, either dosage related or side effects, good or bad, please send your story to one of the ECIR Group moderators: 


Lorna Cane <briars@...
Jaini Clougher <merlin5clougher@...
Nancy Collins <threecatfarm@...>. 
Eleanor Kellon VMD <drkellon@...

Your file will be uploaded to the Prascend Experiences File. If you prefer to not have your name used, the moderators will protect your identity. 

All members may read about fellow member experiences here




*** Reporting Adverse Reactions and Ineffective Drugs or Supplements to the FDA  

Failure to respond to the recommended dose is an adverse event that should be reported to FDA as a therapeutic failure.  Evidence of failure to respond can be comprised of observation of clinical signs (lack of change in symptoms) or through blood work.

Information on how to contact the FDA may be found here. 


Reports become part of the permanent Adverse Drug Experience records.



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