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Buffered Bute

Ellen and Chance in MO
 


This is a follow-up on a question I wrote last week (but had no responses) regarding "buffered" bute.  I found out that the compounded form my friend is using is not really buffered, but contains sucralfate.  Sucralfate seems to be a "physical barrier" that can be useful to coat ulcers while they are being treated by something like Ulcerguard.  Her vet says that in this combination, the bute can be given over an extended period of time.  Has anyone used/heard of this type of bute preparation?

Ellen and Chance in MO

2005 


"Buffered" Bute - second post

Ellen and Chance in MO
 


This is a follow-up on a question I wrote last week (but had no responses) regarding "buffered" bute.  I found out that the compounded form my friend is using is not really buffered, but contains sucralfate.  Sucralfate seems to be a "physical barrier" that can be useful to coat ulcers while they are being treated by something like Ulcerguard.  Her vet says that in this combination, the bute can be given over an extended period of time.  Has anyone used/heard of this type of bute preparation?

Ellen and Chance in MO

2005 


Re: Trimming sole [was ugh! I am always a " day late " in proper protocal...]

bigwhitevan2002
 

Linda,
Thanks for that extra explanation on Ponys foot, I think what I am getting from you is the concavity in her feet, is basically artificial due to how long her walls have been being kept so the farrier carves out a nice little cup , BUT , what I want to have happen is for those heels to be brought down, leaving the sole alone,------- 

Also, We have always considered Kayla, a 'flat footed' horse , but what your saying is that is not necessarily a 'bad' thing but just her foot balancing itself out , she is kept in a hard packed paddock ( 3/4 minus crushed rock base , keeps out the mud and drains well) as well as pasture, no shoes.
Julie
Oregon 06


---In EquineCushings@..., <PapBallou@...> wrote :

>>>>>>>>>>>OK -  maybe talking two things here.  In one of Julie's posts, she mentioned something about a concern of a hoof sloughing off.  


Re: Thanks for the Database!!!

Ange Moore
 

Hi LeeAnne,

great stuff and I'll try to get my entry to you tonight!  One thought, would it be of any value to add the age of the horse when PPID was first suspected or diagnosed?

Cheers, Ange.

Ange & Millie Moore

UK, Sept 2013

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/files/Ange%20Moore%20and%20Millie/  (not up-to-date, sorry)


Re: Thanks for the Database!!!

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

AW shucks folks, 'tis nothing.  Ha ha.  You guys are so welcome.  I love making this stuff usable.  It is kind of like a giant puzzle that just gets addicting.  However the real bonus is how it will help our horses.  With everyone's help (aka: entries) this database will be one amazing tool.  It already has answered some questions. 
Just email me your entries and it will only get better.  If you are able to, save me some time and use the ECIR Pergolide Dosage Database Entry Form  .  Just copy and paste it into an email, add your information and send it to ThePitchforkPrincess at gmail dot com.  

- LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ont
ECIR Archivist 03/04
http://TakenForGraniteArt.webs.com  
Are you in the Pergolide Dosage Database? http://tinyurl.com/m6syzt4    
ECIR Files Table of Contents: http://tinyurl.com/pfk9m4l



Re: Dosage database addition

Ange Moore
 

Hi - you need to use the link in the original post - it's on DropBox now, rather than accesed from the 'More' dropdown.


Re: Trimming sole [was ugh! I am always a " day late " in proper pro

CeAnn Shipley
 

Thanks Linda for the answer.  I was asking those questions in a more generic manner than being specific to Pony. :)  And exfoliate is a much better word than slough.  I wasn't thinking of the walls at all, just the sole.  Sorry for not being clear.
 
What prompted me to ask is we've had some weird, or at least not what we've been use to, sole exfoliation patterns recently - maybe because of the huge temperature and moisture swings we've been having? - which has lead to some discussion of to smooth or not to smooth the sole.  I know that any raised spots on the sole that were not quite ready yet to self exfoliate when other parts are, would eventually wear down.  Wasn't sure how fast, or if it was good for the foot to do so naturally.
 
Sounds like there isn't one right or wrong answer, but that it is dependent on the combination of preference, environmental conditions/footing and I should probably add, the current health of the foot.
 
CeAnn
 
CeAnn Shipley & Del Lamiman
Mythic Morgans
Boyds, MD
301/972-1207
Standing sport stallions - Mythic Aladdin & Mythic Hyperion
Stock for sale
http://mythicmorgans.net

 
     


Re: Dosage database addition

shesky1996
 


I will send my info but i cant seem to get onto the Database? It's greyed out in the drop-down box and wont work when I click on the link


Re: Trimming sole [was ugh! I am always a " day late " in proper protocal...]

PapBallou@...
 

OK -  maybe talking two things here.  In one of Julie's posts, she mentioned something about a concern of a hoof sloughing off.  When you asked the question about the hoof that needed to be removed, I read that as a reference to a sloughing hoof.  Perhaps you meant the 'stuff' that would be trimmed off?

Either way, I hope I answered your question.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Trimming sole [was ugh! I am always a " day late " in proper protocal...]

PapBallou@...
 

CeAnn -

First, no hoof needs to be removed! 

Often an overgrown foot, such as Pony's, will have a lot of unexfoliated dead sole that may need some help in being removed.  Pony's foot has what appears to be a lot of concavity, but in fact, that concavity is simply because the walls, especially in the heel area, are so long as to make the cup of the foot almost appear to be cavernous.

Different people have different individual approaches as to how they manage the remaining sole after removing the excess.  If possible, it is probably best to be able to smooth the sole, with knife, grinder, dremel, or small curved wood finishing rasps.  
In my area, if I pop out dead sole, the horse will do the smoothing in a few strides across the DG, a common natural footing.  

A horse on very firm ground will usually develop what appears to be a somewhat flat sole.  It's just a more full cup of the foot, since the foot always 'wants' to be in contact with the ground.  Since the ground doesn't conform to the foot because the ground is so hard, the foot develops a sole that will contact the unforgiving ground.

OK - much more of an answer than probably the intent of the question!

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Farewell to my friend

Emily Phillips
 

Oh Lisanne. You made me cry and smile all at the same time. To have a relationship like you had with Lacey is very special. She will stay with you in your heart and memories forever. Big hugs from across the pond.. Emily, Cheyenne and Saxon Springmount, Victoria, Australia Jan 2014


Re: Farewell to my friend

janieclougher@...
 

Ah, Lisanne - what a beautiful tribute to your dear Lacey.  Fly free, Lacey - and hugs to you, Lisanne.


Jaini (BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy
BC09
ECIR  mod/support

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory/files/Jaini%20Clougher%2C%20Smithers%20BC/





---In EquineCushings@..., <lisanne@...> wrote :

Farewell my dear friend, beautiful soul. My life was forever changed by you and will be forever changed with your passing. May you run free now, without pain, through green pastures. You deserve that and so much more.

Melody's Merry Lace aka "Lacey"
05.08.1990-02.25.2014


 

Lisanne in Oregon

09/2010


Re: Pics of Ponys feets.

dnlf@...
 

Hi Julie,

Ummmm - I would say that the farrier won't know or he would have done it already. It is likely he was telling you that you should not lower the heels as that will put more pressure on the DDFT (deep digital flexor tendon) and cause more rotation; that you must raise the heels to relieve this tension. This is an unfortunately common (and outdated) misconception.

I put some mark-ups in your folder to give you an idea of what you're looking to accomplish.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/1006585884

 Need to be careful to only drop height in the heels as there appears to be sinking so the total amount of hoof capsule that pony has, which looks excessive, is needed as the bony column is sitting lower inside than it should be. DO NOT lower the wall height in the front part of the foot, esp in the area of the pillars. This is what is protecting the leading edge of the coffin bone. Will also need to back the toes to relieve the lever forces that are tearing the laminar connections with each step.

Need some pics of the sides of the hooves, with the camera at ground level, to be able to show you what these changes would look like from the outside.

Use boots/pads as needed to keep her comfortable. If she walks OK without them then great. The smaller guys generally bounce back much more quickly than the bigger ones.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team


Re: Farewell to my friend

Lisa M. Koch
 


Re: Farewell to my friend

Shari Starr
 

Lisanne, I send you comfort & hugs with your special friend Lacey passing to spirit. I still view this site because I'm sponsoring a draft carriage horse with PPID. I lost my Snickers to a non-cushings related cause last June 25th. Please come visit the hoofbeats in heaven site if you need support from a great group of others that understand as few do about our special relationship that we have with our equines & how deep a grief that we go through. Or, if you would like you can e-mail privately if you like & I'd be glad to e-walk beside for support if you want. Shari, Fly free, Snickers mom. My e-mail address is: lifesongfarm @ yahoo.com (l put in spaces so that yahoo wouldn't edit it)


Re: Alcar and thyroid

reypunky
 

Thank you!  Always appreciate the clarification/correction!
Vicki


Re: Testing -

skylane@...
 

Yay!!!


Re: Thanks for the Database!!!

bizzibizzigirl
 

My bad.  Please ignore my missing info bit  :)


Lisa & Miami (Arab x RP)

Plus Condor & Woody (unchallenged)

Victoria, Australia – 2010

 

CH:   https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Miami%20and%20Lisa/

 

PICS:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHoof/photos/albums/846035640

 



Dosage database addition

bizzibizzigirl
 

Hi LeeAnne
I think I must've missed the step of sending you the info that I'd entered ! Would you please add our info in when you have an opportunity?
Thank you
Lisa & Miami
Victoria, Australia
2010


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From: ThePitchforkPrincess@...
To: EquineCushings@...;
Subject: [EquineCushings] **ANNOUNCING THE NEW PERGOLIDE DOSAGE DATABASE**
THE NEW PERGOLIDE DOSAGE DATABASE:
http://tinyurl.com/m6syzt4 http://tinyurl.com/m6syzt4
Thanks to Neo Yahoo, members could not properly use the Database section. Well the database is back! It has been moved to a Dropbox location and is better than before with Dosage and Breed Statsas well as new columns that will lead to more usefulness to all members.
To view the database: http://tinyurl.com/m6syzt4 http://tinyurl.com/m6syzt4
To enter or edit your horse?s information:
Email LeeAnne: ThePitchforkPrincess at gmail dot com
Pleaseif you have not updated or entered your equine?s information, send LeeAnne an email. It won?t take long, and especially with the new columns, there will be big benefits to all horses with PPID and their owners down the road.
"The only "correct" dose of pergolide is the one that controls his ACTH."
- Dr. Kellon, ECIR Message #132610, Sep 2, 2009.
Thank you for your cooperation and taking the time to ?give back?.
Owners, Moderators & Primary Response Team of the Equine Cushings List


Re: Thanks for the Database!!!

bizzibizzigirl
 

I'll 3rd it!!  THANK YOU!  What a great source of info, especially the breeds.

I've one little problem though..  I can't find Miami and I on it now.  We're not in the 'oops' section either.  I'm sure my entry worked when I did but I'll have another good look through before I add us in again.  That'll make 54 Arabs.......

Lisa & Miami (Arab x RP)

Plus Condor & Woody (unchallenged)

Victoria, Australia – 2010

 

CH:   https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Miami%20and%20Lisa/

 

PICS:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHoof/photos/albums/846035640

 

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