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Re: Advice on Serrano please?

Nancy C
 

Karen

You  need to work out what to do about increasing the pergolide with your vet, however, if I was sure his ACTH may be out of control based on symptoms  would increase.  The lethargy would be one thing that might make me wait for results.

As for lethargy, I did give you info about APF and ginseng.  I want to confirm  it's okay with cancer so you have to wait.  I also think ALCAR is a good energy booster.  Is for me and for my horse.

Baring that, I'd give him a good rub down and maybe a slow hand walk. I had a client tell me the ohter day, a horse who was lethargic and not eating his supps came back like a new man after a little light stroll in the saddle.  I don't know if Seranno can do that but just spending time with him, hand walking may help his endorphin release.

Nancy C in NH
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Re: Karen/Taz

Nancy C
 


Here's an article on how to move you pics from your cell to your desk top or laptop.
http://www.wikihow.com/Send-Pictures-from-Your-Cell-Phone-to-Your-Computer

Hang in  there.  it's hard to go through this but you have to be strong for Taz.  Lots of folks have gone through this before you and come out the other side so hang in.  IF you need some inspiration some of teh Success Stories might help.  I have two more to write - next week I hope.
http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/success-stories

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---In EquineCushings@..., <karenmaruszak@...> wrote :


Thanks everybody. I took a bunch of pictures on my phone. But I don't know how to get from my phone.


Re: Karen/Taz

Emily Phillips
 

Karen, Every day you get up and try to do your best for Taz he gets one day closer to being happy and well again. Try to keep going and let people here help. I learnt the hard way, and so did my mare, that sadly not all vets and not all barefoot trimmers / farriers know enough about laminitis to help Taz. The trim is really important and could explain his pain. My mare seemed like she was recovering really well 2 weeks after her acute episode but then I had her trimmed and she was crippled all over again. I was heartbroken. Turns out she had / has very thin soles and the trim would have whacked her straight on to them. No recommendation to have boots or soft ground. So she didn't lie down. Just stood in one spot in pain. So get pics of her feet from every angle and somehow get them on here so people can tell you what is going on. Xrays too tell so much, just make sure they are taken weight bearing for the whole picture. Give him a nice big soft bed to lie down on. And if he is lying down a lot it means he is in pain standing up. This way it takes the weight off the laminae and pedal bone and prevents more damage. No grass however short. You want to give him a few weeks to grow strong new laminae and stop the damage then you can reassess. The boots and flat pads will help him feel more comfortable on his feet, especially if he has thin soles or trim needs some work. And he will stand up and move about more when he feels comfortable to. Then you can handwalk him to give him more exercise and help blood flow to his feet. After over 3 months I am trying to find a new vet for my mare who knows enough to be of help or at least to support me in the tests I now need to do. And I am on to my 3rd trimmer. Hopefully found a good one. My mare told me she felt happier after her trim! Check the emergency diet stuff too. No point having him off grass then feeding him high sugar hay or other foods. Soak hay for an hour if you're not sure. So great you've found this forum now. We've all been where you are so feel your pain.. Keep asking questions.. Emily, Cheyenne, and Saxon Springmount, Victoria, Australia Jan 2014


Re: Karen/Taz

Karen Maruszak
 


Thanks everybody. I took a bunch of pictures on my phone. But I don't know how to get from my phone. There must be a cable connection of something.  Yes, I did shave the wedge off the pads to make flatter. His legs just buckle out from under him.  Im just having a really bad day. Sorry.

Karen/Taz

Beverly Hills, FL

2/2014


Re: Karen/Taz

Karen Maruszak
 


BTW, bute is down  to 1/4 g. and tomorrow morning will be the last dose.

Karen/Taz

Beverly Hills, FL

2/2014


Re: Karen/Taz

PapBallou@...
 

Hi Karen -

We don't have the luxury of seeing your horse or assessing any of the things that may be causing him problems.  I understand your need to trust your team on the ground, and that is fine.  When you post something like "meltdown", we can't just sit back, but will get into high gear to help you as best as is possible.  We all take this seriously.  We all have been there, done that, and know exactly what you are going through, and probably more!  It's what keeps us wanting to keep you and all others and your horse(s) from going through some of what we have been through.  If you want assistance from us, we need to know exactly what is happening as far as D - diagnosis, D - diet, T- trim, E- exercise as able.

So please do follow the steps Nancy listed for uploading the photos into your photo album...

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Karen/Taz

Valletta Lochridge
 

> If he's not off the bute, taper off.  You can use Phyto Quench for pain instead.
First - Karen, sending thoughts of healing and support to you and Taz...........keep your spirits up - you're doing a good job for him.
 
Unsure as to whether to start a new thread..........Questions about PhytoQuench:  1) I see Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) and Grape Seed Extract.  So these are ok in these amounts for  IR horses?  2) Is there a benefit to giving this along with Mov-Ease for pain control?  3) How long can a horse be on the PhytoQuench for chronic pain?  (arthritis and navicular syndrome)
 
Valletta in CA
Jan 2012


Re: Karen/Taz

Nancy C
 

PS...Meant also to say Karen GREAT NEWS about the dry track. That will really help once in place.

Nancy C in NH
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Re: Karen/Taz

Nancy C
 

Most of us shave the wedge off the purple pad or use flat pads.

Do not give him grass until you know his insulin is under control.  It was sky high in February.  Throw his hay around in various places so he has to move to eat.  Even small piles in a turn out can encourage movement.

His back legs are weak from having to compensate from the pain in the fores.  Do some muscle therapy on him, either yourself, or call a muscle therapist.

If he's not off the bute, taper off.  You can use Phyto Quench for pain instead.

http://equine.uckele.com/phyto-quench.html

Loading pictures is easy.  Take the pics of the feet as described at the link below, then go to the PHOTOS section of ECHisotry8 to load them.  It's just a few short clicks.
Here's how to take pics

http://www.all-natural-horse-care.com/good-hoof-photos.html

Here's where to post them
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory8/photos/albums
Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <karenmaruszak@...> wrote :

I had  Farrier looked at the boots and she did not like them, too high in the heel.  I got the soft ride with the torquoise/purple pads. 


Re: Karen/Taz

Karen Maruszak
 


Sorry, forgot to sign post again.

Karen/Taz

Beverly Hills, FL

2/2014


Re: Karen/Taz

Karen Maruszak
 

Here's what I am seeing.  He does not move around. If I leave the muzzle off he will graze and move about. The MINUTE I put that muzzle on, he's down.  His back legs are so weak from lack of exercise he can hardly stand. So which is the lesser of two evils? Grazing (limited and very short grass in this pasture) and up moving  or down 90% of the day? I am managing to get him up to at least eat his hay and drink. I had the farrier out on the 3rd.  She is one of the most well known in the Ocala area, especially treating laminitis/founder.  I can take pictures of his feet but do not know how to download but I can text them to somebody. Farrier looked at the boots and she did not like them, too high in the heel.  I got the soft ride with the torquoise/purple pads.  I know this is not what you guys believe but I HAVE to trust this farrier and my new vet.  I am so confused. BTW, we are scraping grass off of large portion of pasture today and fencing going up Monday for a dry lot. Maybe that will keep him up if he doesn't have to wear a muzzle.


Karen/Taz

PapBallou@...
 

I tried to answer to your post, but neo won't take me there.

Please post photos of the feet.  We need to see what they look like after the trim.  The x-rays aren't that bad so I'm a little confused as to why his reaction.  Often when a horse has laminitis, the worst of it may come after the owner recognizes something is wrong.  IOWs, it hadn't peaked, and sometimes that will still happen (continue downward) even when diet changes are in place, or medication as appropriate.  Then a plateau and healing.

Does he have boots/pads on?

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004  


meltdown

Karen Maruszak
 

This horse is breaking my heart. Please give me some words of encouragement.

Karen/Taz

Beverly Hills, FL

2/2014


Advice on Serrano please?

Kc <karenclarinet@...>
 

I don't have results of ACTH yet.

 But what can I do for Serrano? He is very lethargic... And...


Serranos neck tumor is growing very fast and has more than doubled in last 2 months and near lymph nodes at base of neck. 

Should I start increasing pergolide ASAP or wait for test results? It takes time to adjust dosages
and tumor so very aggressive...

So far he doesn't seem to be suffering from cancer...
Karen and Serrano
Sept 2012
update is test from cornel oct 30... Couldn't update history
ACTH 37.8
Glucose 110
Insulin 68

Sent from my iPad


Re: Carb overload question

PapBallou@...
 

Hi -

I have answered this a number of times, and see that none have made it past neo.

Give this a read -


Carb overload/laminitis is a separate issue, but nowhere near as common as laminitis from metabolic problems.  Carb overload is a potential problem for all equines - that's why we lock up grain/grain products.

Carb overload from pasture continues to be thought to be a significant problem, since that was the initial focus years ago when researchers started looking into pasture associated laminitis.  With the exception of possibly rye grass, and perhaps a few unusually sensitive horses, it is quite rare.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Advice on Serrano please?

Nancy C
 

Hi Karen

Cannot comment on you blood work but I would not give red cell.

Would insist on getting the hard numbers from the vet and begin increasing pergolide slowly if it is warranted based on the numbers.

I would also think about adding APF or Ginseng as adaptogens but I want to flag Dr Kellon about adaptogen use with cancer patients.  It has come up before and I don't have a firm reference to check.  Don't want to use jherb but not sure if/how ginseng for example may differ.

Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <karenclarinet@...> wrote :

I don't have results of ACTH yet.
But vet called this am and said CBC shows low counts and vet says likely ACTH is high and that he is severely anemic and to start red cell ASAP.

Serranos neck tumor is growing very fast

update is test from cornel oct 30... Couldn't update history
ACTH 37.8
Glucose 110
Insulin 68

Sent from my iPad


Re: History update

Lorna Cane
 


History update

JMF
 

I would like to update Miss Kittys history. She is doing fine. I have been swamped and just have not had two spare minutes to rub against each other.

I cannot find the link to get to her history. Could someone tell me how?

Thanks,

Jane Farmer and Miss Kitty

NEMS

10/09


Re: Farewell to my friend

aet001@...
 

Lisanne, I am so sorry for your loss.  I also apologize if this posts twice, yahoo black holes and moodiness.  I wish you peace and happy memories.  Fly free, Lacey, green grass and blue skies forever.  Amy in PA '06ish (Herbie IR, Darby, lost beloveds on HIH site Echo, Dylan, Pebbles, Cherry, Misty who was C/IR)


Re: Whippoorwill Amulet (Bounce) - test results

Ruth Vale
 

Lorna asked:

>Do you have any concerns about the handling of the sample at all? 
>I'm just asking because of the low insulin.

I paused at that reading.   Vet was aware of the protocols and I'm sure he did his best to meet them.  Bounce was the last patient of the day and vet planned to go directly home.  His home office is 15 minutes drive from the barn, and samples were to be processed and frozen on arrival and out by courier the next morning.  Temps were Very Cold (-15C high) so not sure if that affects anything.   He had results back to me within 3 days, so I'm sure every effort was made.   Any other answer is purely speculative.

Leptin reading is slightly elevated as well - that's a "watch" warning.

He'll get a practice to do this again - on the second draw, and if necessary on the third draw.  I'm right now down about $922 for everything so far, but it is nice to have science based answers and a few more questions.

Ruth Vale and Whippoorwill Amulet (Bounce)
joined Sept 2013
Caledon, Ontario CANADA
 

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