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Source for minerals in Maine

Erin Weintraub <chf1752@...>
 

Does anyone know of any feed stores in Maine that have zinc, copper and magnesium?

One local feed store would have to order copper and magnesium, but they can't get zinc. The other local feed store says they have them, but for gardening. Not sure if that's ok to feed.

I can travel to the Portland or Augusta area.

Erin
2014

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Re: Uckele's G.U.T. safe for Cushings horses?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


The derglycyrrhized licorice is safe and won't raise cortisol.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001



Re: Uckele's G.U.T. safe for Cushings horses?

Nancy C
 

Hi Nancy

Here's a good link about Licorice (or an y herb interaction)

Licorice

 



The above link says in part: Deglycyrrhizinated licorice (DGL) is often suggested as a treatment for stomach ulcers, although there's only mixed evidence about whether it works. A few studies have found that DGL and antacids helped treat ulcers as well as some prescription drugs. However, since antacids were combined with DGL, it's not possible to know how much of the benefit came from DGL alone.

The whole herb has not been recommended by Dr Kellon (from the files):

Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:02 pm (PST) 
There's one ingredient in there I want to touch on tonight, rest for tomorrow. It's the last one, licorice root.

Licorice has a long history of use as a treatment for Addison's disease. Addison's disease is adrenal insufficiency - inadequate levels of cortisol and other adrenal steroids. It is the direct OPPOSITE of Cushing's disease, which is caused by an overproduction of cortisol.

Licorice works by blocking the activity of the 11-beta-HSD2 enzyme, the tissue enzyme that converts active cortisol into inactive cortisone. There is some recent interesting work on licorice and insulin resistance, but in the framework of true Cushing's disease, elevated 
ACTH and overproduction of cortisol, I would consider this herb to be directly contraindicated.

Eleanor

 
HTH

Nancy C in NH
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Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.

 




---In EquineCushings@..., <tolzar@...> wrote :

 

Does it contain anything I shouldn't feed to my Cushings horse?

 

http://equine.uckele.com/digestive/g-u-t.html   (Click on the "Ingredients" for a complete listing)

 

Nancy and Zar

NW NJ, June 2010

 

 

 

 


 


Re: Blood Test Protocol

Nancy C
 

Hi Sally

If you are testing glucose and insulin, would go with hay only unless you are able to feed about four hours prior to blood draw.  Here's a good review.

DDT - Diagnosis

 



Nancy C in NH
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Re: New test for Cushings?

Nancy C
 

Hi Marianne

In all the discussion we've had on TRH, risk potential has not been identified such as with the Dex Suppression test.

This link is another good one to understand what is being recommended to your vet.

I still can't help but wonder how results from different labs could impact these tests.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eve.12130/full

Nancy C in NH
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http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc



---In EquineCushings@..., <jannepauli@...> wrote :

Dear Nancy,

is there any evidence that the TRH test is safe/ unsafe for PPID/IR horses with possible Low Grade Laminitis?

Marianne/The Netherlands

 



Re: Glycerin in HA gel safe for IR?

Nancy C
 

No risk from glycerin.

Nancy C in NH
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Re: Uckele Lung EQ

 

Linda - thanks for the pictures - I better understand what you were saying.  I will try to be observant.

Jean and Amber
in South Carolina
August 2004


Re: Glycerin in HA gel safe for IR?

martha williams
 

On May 13, 2014 1:20 AM, "martha williams mjwd444@... [EquineCushings]" <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

We would like to use an oral hyaluronic acid gel for arthritis of coffin joint.   The HA products  we know of
all have glycerin.  Does this pose
any risk for an IR/Cushing's horse?
       Williams/Dubrow. NY. '08


Re: New test for Cushings?

Pauli432 . <jannepauli@...>
 

Dear Nancy,

is there any evidence that the TRH test is safe/ unsafe for PPID/IR horses with possible Low Grade Laminitis?

Marianne/The Netherlands
EC 2011


2014-05-13 4:42 GMT+02:00 threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...>:

 

Hi Susan

Was reading the TRH info again and want to bring this to your attention

At present, the TRH stimulation test should only be used between December and June, which is the only period in which cut-off values have been established.

Cut off values IMO can have a huge variable depending on what horses  - age, Dx, PPID status, total number, controls, etc.., - were used to establish the recommended cut off value.

The devil is in the details.  Why we are such sticklers for a case history.

Nancy C in NH
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http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc





---In EquineCushings@..., <threecatfarm@...> wrote :

Hi Susan

He's very likely thinking of the TRH. 
 



(No subject)

martha williams
 

We would like to use an oral hyaluronic acid gel for arthritis of coffin joint.   The HA products  we know of
all have glycerin.  Does this pose
any risk for an IR/Cushing's horse?
       Williams/Dubrow. NY. '08


Blood Test Protocol

larkstabatha
 

I feed my mare about 3 pounds of Mountain Sunrise Timothy Pellets AM & PM to mix in her supplements.  Is it okay to feed this on the morning of her Cornell blood draw?  Or, do I stick to only hay that morning?


Thanks in advance for this clarification,

Sally in N. AZ

April 2013


Re: Update on Permax no longer available in New Zealand

Liz Gillespie
 

Hi,

can anyone in NZ give me the rundown on getting an MPI exemption for importing pergolide?  Do you have to apply every time you want to import, or is it a one off?  I've now got a few people asking me how its done (and a couple of others arguing that it can't be done).
I did send a private email the poster above, but gmail to xtra accounts is frequently blocked.

Cheers,
Liz


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:30 PM, missyechonz <afrench@...> wrote:
 


Well a happy ending to this saga!! The NZ ministry of Primary industries were absolutely awesome and very understanding .They have approved our applications for import exemption and we can now buy pergolide online from overseas suppliers as Prascend or Permax . I did the rounds of the many suggested suppliers and in the end settled on a UK company https://www.viovet.co.uk. Also found that Prascend was cheaper than Permax for us in NZ.

I also can't say enough about the helpful staff and excellent service at Viovet. They are the cheapest suppliers to NZ and their online website and ordering was so simple. You only need to scan in a copy of your prescription and they take it from there. Lots of good add ons like letting your vet put in up to 5 repeats , personalised on line account with reminder you can set for when your prescription is due to expire etc etc.
The cost of 1mg tab was £1.07 and standard postage £10 for any size. The order arrived in 3 days!!!
So we are now better off than before as the total cost of Prascend imported is 30% cheaper than the cheapest Permax I could get although Jenni did have a cheaper supplier where she lived in Auckland but it ran out like all other pharmacies in the country!!

I now have to wait patiently for the pergolide to do its work.. Been 3 months since Echo last had any and we are now into our 12th tablet but as yet not much improvement. I can't remember how long it takes as she's been on it for about 3 years now. Jenni had suggested in an email directly to me to try putting it up by 25% so I started that today.

If there are others in NZ that see this post and want to know how to apply for and get exemption then I'll add the details of who to contact at MPI and what the procedure is

Nice to have such a positive outcome and thanks to everyone who added helpful information and prospective suppliers... I certainly did contact of all of them !!!



Re: New test for Cushings?

Nancy C
 

Hi Susan

Was reading the TRH info again and want to bring this to your attention

At present, the TRH stimulation test should only be used between December and June, which is the only period in which cut-off values have been established.

Cut off values IMO can have a huge variable depending on what horses  - age, Dx, PPID status, total number, controls, etc.., - were used to establish the recommended cut off value.

The devil is in the details.  Why we are such sticklers for a case history.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
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http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc





---In EquineCushings@..., <threecatfarm@...> wrote :

Hi Susan

He's very likely thinking of the TRH. 
 


Uckele's G.U.T. safe for Cushings horses?

tolzarg
 

I recently spoke to a horsewoman/pharmacologist about supplements and mentioned how my horse's mild ulcer symptoms disappeared soon after starting Uckele's GUT.  I mentioned a few ingredients and she was concerned that the licorice powder can raise the cortisol level.  Can this happen?  It contains 1000mg deglycyrrhized licorice powder per serving. 

 

Does it contain anything I shouldn't feed to my Cushings horse?

 

http://equine.uckele.com/digestive/g-u-t.html   (Click on the "Ingredients" for a complete listing)

 

Nancy and Zar

NW NJ, June 2010

 

 

 

 



Latest thoughts on dosage splitting

tolzarg
 

When you start getting to higher doses of Pergolide, is there any benefit in effectiveness when the dose is split? I've searched past posts on this subject and have read different opinions on the half life of Pergolide. My horse may need 6mg or more this seasonal rise (his dose is getting higher every year) and I'd like to know if twice daily may be more effective than once daily.  He hasn't shown any veil symptoms since first starting Pergolide in 2010.

 

Nancy and Zar

NW NJ, June 2010


Re: New test for Cushings?

Nancy C
 

Hi Susan

He's very likely thinking of the TRH.  It's not new but the protocol to push the test is.  Click on this lovely yahoo ad to get to past discussions on eh subject.  The concern is higher sensitivity which *may* lead to more horses being diagnosed.  As with any testing, IMO, the need is to look at symptoms and lab work.

With a case history we could give you more help.

Yahoo Groups

 



To know what your vet is reading make sure you read

New diagnostic protocols for PPID in horses

 

Good luck tomorrow.

Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <szingle@...> wrote :

My vet is coming tomorrow morning.  I've been after him for a while to do an ACTH test to be sure we have the Cushings under control before we begin seasonal rise. 

Susan with Pony, Chicago, member since (I think) 2003
 


Re: Canine Cushings

Lorna Cane
 


Canine Cushing's is Off Topic for this list. 
Please see the  link Lavinia has provided for this subject.

Thanks everyone.


 
 


New test for Cushings?

Susan Zingle
 

My vet is coming tomorrow morning.  I've been after him for a while to do an ACTH test to be sure we have the Cushings under control before we begin seasonal rise.  Pony is shedding (although his coat is still thick and curly and shedding uneven and blotchy), seems to have recovered completely from a nasty founder last year (Pony runs around the paddock, bucks, no indication of pain, no heat, no pulses, farrier loves his feet).  His weight is good, no crest, no pads above eyes, etc.  Vet says there is a NEW cushings test, easier to do than the ACTH test.  But he couldn't/wouldn't/didn't take the time on the phone to walk me through it.  He hates the dex suppression test, so I'm pretty sure that's not it.  Any ideas, so I can ask appropriate questions and not just stammer?  Thanks so much.

Susan with Pony, Chicago, member since (I think) 2003


Re: Canine Cushings

Livenwpeeps
 

Patty,

    My 16 year old Aussie started having the same issues and it ended up he had diatetes.  He had to be put on insulin shots twice a day.  It's a thought.

Bonnie & Doc Watson

July 2013

Va, USA


http://pets.groups.yahoo. com/group/ echistory7/
files/Bonnie%20%26%20Doc% 20Watson% 20-%20Va/

 

Yahoo Groups

 

 
 


Re: Uckele Lung EQ

PapBallou@...
 

Jean -

You can also use the length of the mane as a guide -


Don't know if the tail shows the color changes as readily since it's so long.  While Pap's mane was disappearing and changing color, his tail remained the same.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004

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