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Re: Update on Permax no longer available in New Zealand

Liz Gillespie
 

Hi,

can anyone in NZ give me the rundown on getting an MPI exemption for importing pergolide?  Do you have to apply every time you want to import, or is it a one off?  I've now got a few people asking me how its done (and a couple of others arguing that it can't be done).
I did send a private email the poster above, but gmail to xtra accounts is frequently blocked.

Cheers,
Liz


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:30 PM, missyechonz <afrench@...> wrote:
 


Well a happy ending to this saga!! The NZ ministry of Primary industries were absolutely awesome and very understanding .They have approved our applications for import exemption and we can now buy pergolide online from overseas suppliers as Prascend or Permax . I did the rounds of the many suggested suppliers and in the end settled on a UK company https://www.viovet.co.uk. Also found that Prascend was cheaper than Permax for us in NZ.

I also can't say enough about the helpful staff and excellent service at Viovet. They are the cheapest suppliers to NZ and their online website and ordering was so simple. You only need to scan in a copy of your prescription and they take it from there. Lots of good add ons like letting your vet put in up to 5 repeats , personalised on line account with reminder you can set for when your prescription is due to expire etc etc.
The cost of 1mg tab was £1.07 and standard postage £10 for any size. The order arrived in 3 days!!!
So we are now better off than before as the total cost of Prascend imported is 30% cheaper than the cheapest Permax I could get although Jenni did have a cheaper supplier where she lived in Auckland but it ran out like all other pharmacies in the country!!

I now have to wait patiently for the pergolide to do its work.. Been 3 months since Echo last had any and we are now into our 12th tablet but as yet not much improvement. I can't remember how long it takes as she's been on it for about 3 years now. Jenni had suggested in an email directly to me to try putting it up by 25% so I started that today.

If there are others in NZ that see this post and want to know how to apply for and get exemption then I'll add the details of who to contact at MPI and what the procedure is

Nice to have such a positive outcome and thanks to everyone who added helpful information and prospective suppliers... I certainly did contact of all of them !!!



Re: New test for Cushings?

Nancy C
 

Hi Susan

Was reading the TRH info again and want to bring this to your attention

At present, the TRH stimulation test should only be used between December and June, which is the only period in which cut-off values have been established.

Cut off values IMO can have a huge variable depending on what horses  - age, Dx, PPID status, total number, controls, etc.., - were used to establish the recommended cut off value.

The devil is in the details.  Why we are such sticklers for a case history.

Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <threecatfarm@...> wrote :

Hi Susan

He's very likely thinking of the TRH. 
 


Uckele's G.U.T. safe for Cushings horses?

tolzarg
 

I recently spoke to a horsewoman/pharmacologist about supplements and mentioned how my horse's mild ulcer symptoms disappeared soon after starting Uckele's GUT.  I mentioned a few ingredients and she was concerned that the licorice powder can raise the cortisol level.  Can this happen?  It contains 1000mg deglycyrrhized licorice powder per serving. 

 

Does it contain anything I shouldn't feed to my Cushings horse?

 

http://equine.uckele.com/digestive/g-u-t.html   (Click on the "Ingredients" for a complete listing)

 

Nancy and Zar

NW NJ, June 2010

 

 

 

 



Latest thoughts on dosage splitting

tolzarg
 

When you start getting to higher doses of Pergolide, is there any benefit in effectiveness when the dose is split? I've searched past posts on this subject and have read different opinions on the half life of Pergolide. My horse may need 6mg or more this seasonal rise (his dose is getting higher every year) and I'd like to know if twice daily may be more effective than once daily.  He hasn't shown any veil symptoms since first starting Pergolide in 2010.

 

Nancy and Zar

NW NJ, June 2010


Re: New test for Cushings?

Nancy C
 

Hi Susan

He's very likely thinking of the TRH.  It's not new but the protocol to push the test is.  Click on this lovely yahoo ad to get to past discussions on eh subject.  The concern is higher sensitivity which *may* lead to more horses being diagnosed.  As with any testing, IMO, the need is to look at symptoms and lab work.

With a case history we could give you more help.

Yahoo Groups

 



To know what your vet is reading make sure you read

New diagnostic protocols for PPID in horses

 

Good luck tomorrow.

Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <szingle@...> wrote :

My vet is coming tomorrow morning.  I've been after him for a while to do an ACTH test to be sure we have the Cushings under control before we begin seasonal rise. 

Susan with Pony, Chicago, member since (I think) 2003
 


Re: Canine Cushings

Lorna Cane
 


Canine Cushing's is Off Topic for this list. 
Please see the  link Lavinia has provided for this subject.

Thanks everyone.


 
 


New test for Cushings?

Susan Zingle
 

My vet is coming tomorrow morning.  I've been after him for a while to do an ACTH test to be sure we have the Cushings under control before we begin seasonal rise.  Pony is shedding (although his coat is still thick and curly and shedding uneven and blotchy), seems to have recovered completely from a nasty founder last year (Pony runs around the paddock, bucks, no indication of pain, no heat, no pulses, farrier loves his feet).  His weight is good, no crest, no pads above eyes, etc.  Vet says there is a NEW cushings test, easier to do than the ACTH test.  But he couldn't/wouldn't/didn't take the time on the phone to walk me through it.  He hates the dex suppression test, so I'm pretty sure that's not it.  Any ideas, so I can ask appropriate questions and not just stammer?  Thanks so much.

Susan with Pony, Chicago, member since (I think) 2003


Re: Canine Cushings

Livenwpeeps
 

Patty,

    My 16 year old Aussie started having the same issues and it ended up he had diatetes.  He had to be put on insulin shots twice a day.  It's a thought.

Bonnie & Doc Watson

July 2013

Va, USA


http://pets.groups.yahoo. com/group/ echistory7/
files/Bonnie%20%26%20Doc% 20Watson% 20-%20Va/

 

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Re: Uckele Lung EQ

PapBallou@...
 

Jean -

You can also use the length of the mane as a guide -


Don't know if the tail shows the color changes as readily since it's so long.  While Pap's mane was disappearing and changing color, his tail remained the same.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Uckele Lung EQ

 

Linda - I can do that BUT her mane is turning white also - hardly has any color.  How about her tail?  She still has color in her tail.   The kids at the barn tease me that Amber and I are looking more and more alike.  We both have gray and red hair.

Jean and Amber
in South Carolina
August 2004


Re: Uckele Lung EQ

PapBallou@...
 

Jean -

Keep an eye on the mane - my boy's punk appy mane became very short and lighter.  Because of the 'punkiness', I simply didn't notice it was getting shorter and shorter.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Canine Cushings

Patty Sobel <psobel_gen@...>
 

Sorry everyone!

I was trying to send the canine cushings email just to Lavina and apparently did something wrong in my copy and paste.

Patty and LIbby
Laurel, MD
May 2008

On Monday, May 12, 2014 1:33 PM, "Patty Sobel psobel_gen@... [EquineCushings]" <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 
Hi Lavina,

I'm a member of the Equine Cushings list serv and saw your post about Canine Cushings.  Would you mind answering a few questions for me?  Between my PPID mare, my younger dog recovering from ACL surgery, and my older dog with arthritis I'm a bit overwhelmed at the moment.  

My older girl is a 12 year old Aussie.  She has coat problems plus a lot of drinking and peeing.  We ran a CBC last fall and in the spring but the vet said she tested negative for Cushings.  We just started 6 mg Melatonin AM and PM last month, plus 1 oz ground flax seed AM and PM (from a University of TN study).  

What is the proper test for canine cushings?  Is it the endogenous ACTH like with horses?  I understand dogs can have a tumor in the pituitary or the adrenals - is it the same test for both?  The medicines I've read about have very serious side effects - is there one that is safe?  Is the melatonin/flax combo like chaste tree berry for horses, in that it controls symptoms but not the actual disease?  

Thank you so much!
Patty in MD, with Libby the TWH, Panda the Aussie, and Darla the Boxer mix.



Canine Cushings

Patty Sobel <psobel_gen@...>
 

Hi Lavina,

I'm a member of the Equine Cushings list serv and saw your post about Canine Cushings.  Would you mind answering a few questions for me?  Between my PPID mare, my younger dog recovering from ACL surgery, and my older dog with arthritis I'm a bit overwhelmed at the moment.  

My older girl is a 12 year old Aussie.  She has coat problems plus a lot of drinking and peeing.  We ran a CBC last fall and in the spring but the vet said she tested negative for Cushings.  We just started 6 mg Melatonin AM and PM last month, plus 1 oz ground flax seed AM and PM (from a University of TN study).  

What is the proper test for canine cushings?  Is it the endogenous ACTH like with horses?  I understand dogs can have a tumor in the pituitary or the adrenals - is it the same test for both?  The medicines I've read about have very serious side effects - is there one that is safe?  Is the melatonin/flax combo like chaste tree berry for horses, in that it controls symptoms but not the actual disease?  

Thank you so much!
Patty in MD, with Libby the TWH, Panda the Aussie, and Darla the Boxer mix.


Re: Uckele Lung EQ

 

If your horse's breathing responds to MSM this benefit could outweigh the potential risks. If trace minerals are tightly balanced that would also decrease risk. Bottom line is if you use MSM be alert for signs of zinc/copper deficiency, such as coat fading.

Dr. Kellon - I had Amber on MSM and couldn't tell if it hurt or helped.  As far as her coat fading - she is a very white appaloosa.  I think I will give this product a try, I really don't think it could hurt her and if it helps - that would be great.  Thanks for your response. 

Jean and Amber
In South Carolina
August 2004


Re: Uckele Lung EQ

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


---In EquineCushings@..., <JKemmerer@...> wrote :

Thoughts?????

= = = =

The dose of vitamin C in Lung Eq is low and since analysis of lung fluid shows these horses are deficient I would give it. The concern with C is increased absorption of iron but this dose is low and if the diet is correctly balanced it shouldn't be a major issue.

Many owners of RAO horses report benefits from MSM. The dose in this product is intermediate. My concern with MSM is that we do not know how it is metabolized by intestinal organisms. If sulfates are formed and released that could interfere with mineral absorption. If your horse's breathing responds to MSM this benefit could outweigh the potential risks. If trace minerals are tightly balanced that would also decrease risk. Bottom line is if you use MSM be alert for signs of zinc/copper deficiency, such as coat fading.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com

 


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Feb 2001


Re: Case history for Babe (old horse with PPID)

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


---In EquineCushings@..., <lydia@...> wrote :

 My vet says to get chelated trace minerals only and not to buy something cheap because it won't be.

= = = =

Your vet is misinformed. Research has shown no advantage to chelated minerals in adult horses. In fact, they may be less bioavailable, likely because elemental minerals can also be absorbed in the large intestine but chelated forms cannot. For example:

http://pas.fass.org/content/21/3/207.full.pdf+html   

For further information refer your  vet to the 2007 NRC Nutrient Requirements of Horses.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com

EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


 


Re: Uckele Lung EQ

 

Hey Donna,  When I go out of town I usually combine my supplements in little tupperware containers but it would be nice to just say "give one scoop of this" especially if you only give it once a day.  In my containers I usually put what I give twice a day (salt, chondrotin, flax, vitamin E, etc) and then there are the "once a day supplements" like pergolide and my mineral mix. 

Basically, I like convenience for myself also, and one scoop a day instead of measuring things out everyday is a chore for me.  I also order Smart Paks to make my life easier.

Thanks for your suggestions.

Jean and Amber
in South Carolina
August 2004


Re: Olympus Case History added

Lorna Cane
 


Hi Cathi,

> Since I am computer illiterate I have no idea how to add my case history URL to my signature. 


Here it is:


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Cathi%20Cline/


Just copy/paste it to your signature.



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Re: Case history for Babe (old horse with PPID)

Lydia Lawson
 

Just reposting to see if anyone has suggestions on an alternative to ODTB cubes or mixing minerals. My vet says to get chelated trace minerals only and not to buy something cheap because it won't be.


Olympus Case History added

cathi cline
 

I filled out and uploaded my pony's case history under "Cathi Cline" in the ECHistory8 section. Since I am computer illiterate I have no idea how to add my case history URL to my signature. 


Cathi Cline and Olympus

Sacramento, CA 

member since Oct 2013 ( ? ).

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