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Re: Updating a history in ECHistory5

palomino.1982@...
 

Hi Deb-

I agree with Mandy!  The trim your farrier was doing was not realigning the coffin bone which is #1 to start healing and growing in a  tight lamina connection.

There are still farriers/trimmers/vets that think the foundered horses need elevated heels and shoes.


They think the Deep Digital Flexor Tendon (DDFT) is pulling the coffin bone out of place- so they raise the heels to reduce the damage. Problem is, this makes  it worse and is  actually forcing the continued  "rotation".


What does happen is the lamina becomes inflamed  and detaches from the coffin bone. By keeping the coffin bone close to ground parallel  this prevents further damage  and allows the hoof to begin  healing.


If the heels are left high and toe is not brought back- this creates a constant assault on the inner structures of the hoof. 


Linda will provide you with  a map of Cory's foot and begin the journey to heal his feet with a proper aligning trim. This takes time....at least a year to grow a new hoof wall with tight connections. Please remember that his feet will look odd and not like a healthy hoof...because right now it isn't!


As the foot starts to heal, he may form an abscess or 2...or 3.  Don't panic as this is the bodys way of removing inflammation as it starts the healing process.  Be ready ( just in case) with abscess supplies.


Would suggest that you keep a daily journal ...monitor his up and down days- he will have them...you will too.

We will be here helping you guys through this journey.


I am excited for you guys!!!!!


Susan

EC Primary Response

San Diego ( scortched earth ! )  1.07


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Newly diagnosed 13 yr old performance TB. No history of laminitis. Test results

Julia Barrott
 

Hi everyone!


Just wondered whether I could get some advice?  My 2* eventer (horse of a lifetime) has just been diagnosed with PPID.  We did a test last year (just ACTH concentration in his blood I think) and that was negative.  We did a stimulation test this week (please see below) and that came back positive (a "convincing result").  He has never had any issues with laminitis and we tend to struggle to keep him up to weight and fully muscled rather than the opposite.  Feet are great.  Mood is mopey and distant (used to be over alert and reactive).


ACTH prior to test:  26.2 pg/ml (normal is <29)

10 min post TRH: 333.0 pg/ml (normal is <110)

30 min post TRH: 57.7 pg/ml (normal is <67)


His before and 30 min after concentration don't seem too bad to me.  How do they compare with other people's?  


He has started on 1 mg pergolide (prascend) a day on advice from my vet and we will re-test in a few weeks.


Any advice much appreciated!!


Re: Updating a history in ECHistory5

PapBallou@...
 

Deb -

Will post some markups later.  Agree with Mandy - keep in boots in soft bedding.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Updating a history in ECHistory5

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Deb,
FIrst I would like to say its was your lucky day when the farrier quit on you. You need to to 'talk to ' Linda or Lavinia about Cory's feet. I would leave him in Soft Ride boots and fill them up with Gold Bond powder to help keep his feet dry. I know we can find a barefoot trimmer in NC for you. Its not to late to make big changes. Let Cory lay down and bed him deeply.

I don’t know if I sent this to you last time but see if there is anyone on this list near you. Call them today. https://www.thehorseshoof.com/trimmers.html

Mandy in VA
EC Primary Response
OCT 2003


Re: Need lots of info........

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Tabie,
Welcome to the list.   Our  philosophy is DDT/E.  This means  Diagnosis,  Diet,  Trim and Exercise.   To get optimum results you need to do the 4 at the same time.    We need to know more about your boy and by you joining the ECH8 group will help.   Please join and fill out the questionnaire.   That helps the volunteers see the ‘’big picture’’ and then they can help you faster.   Always sign with the link to your Case History. 
 
DIAGNOSIS.  What test was done to confirm your horse is PPID aka Cushings?   Some symptoms are long coat/loss of top line/loss of muscle/pot bellie.   The gold standard treatment is pergolide.   DIET supports this condtion too. The test we recommend is the ACTH test at Cornell.   Please read the file for blood testing.   You want to know what his value is – how severe his Cushings is – so you can treat it with the right dose of pergolide – enough to get the value within the lab normal range.  Do you have a copy of the tests he’s had?  Please add them to your CH if you have.  
To confirm Insulin Resistance ~ you want to pull blood for Insulin/Glucose/Leptin on a NON fasting horse and send it to Cornell.  IR is managed by DIET.  The end results of not treating PPID/IR can be founder.   We want to avoid that at all costs.
 
DIET is a low sugar/starch forage with the minerals balanced to that assay.  Grass hay is ideal.  Send a cored sample to  www.equi-analytical.com and order the Trainer # 603 for $54.  We aim for 10% or less in sugar+starch and under 4% fat.  There are volunteers on the list who will help you balance his diet.   IF he has both conditions this will help him.  It a big change in horse management that many of us were used to but it can be done and we certainly have positive results in the files!  Look as some of the Success Stories.   You don’t mention if he’s foot sore now.  IF he is ~ pull him off grass.  Grass is very high in sugar. NO grains/carrots/apples/treats/commercial feeds.    Feed him soaked/drained grass hay until you get your tested.     The Temporary Emergency Diet is in the Start Here file.  It is safe for any horse.  It is Temporary!   All the minerals needed for the ER DIET can be purchased at Walmart or any drugstore.  You can also get a fish  hanging scale to weigh your hay dry.    We measure what they eat dry.  Then soak it.   Build  him a drylot or get a muzzle and tape the hole shut.   Feed at least 4 small meals a day. 
 
TRIM is a balanced foot with the toes backed from the top and heels lowered.   Boots and pads if needed.  You can add photos of his feet/body to your CH. 
 
EXERCISE is great if he’s able.  Never force a laminitic horse to move.
 
Tabie ~ were you giving him Chaste Tree Berry?   Many people start out with that but find it does not reduce the ACTH hormone. CTB is commonly used for symptoms like hairy coats or moody mares.  Pergolide is the best you can give.  Its very reasonably priced now.  Look at Pet Health 1-800-742-0516  or  www.pethealthpharmacy.com         Yes, if you follow the 4 points of the list you will see improvement in your horse.    Lets see your bloodwork results so we can get a DIAGNOSIS.   For more information on PPID/IR   please read at www.ecirhorse.org   All your questions will be answered!   Start a journal on your horse.  Take photos.   You arent alone on this journey.   Please sign your name,  date of joining and the state you live in.   You may have a neighbor who can help.
 
Mandy in VA
EC Primary Response
OCT 2003
 
 
 
 
 


Re: Feeding the IR horse

Maggie
 

Hi Karen,

Welcome to the list!  Well, what you've been able to glean from this site is absolutely correct!  The best way to feed any horse is a balanced diet. An IR horse needs that balanced diet tweaked to meet their "special needs."  I will explain it all in the diet part of what I am about to tell you.  The philosophy of this group is called DDT/E, which stand for Diagnosis, Diet, Trim and Exercise.  So let's start at the beginning, Diagnosis. 

Diagnosis:  So you know that your mare is IR.  Can you tell us how she was diagnosed?  Her age of 29 also puts her at risk of PPID. In addition to her age of 29 putting your mare at risk for PPID, there is also some thought that the oxidative stress of long term IR can lead a horse to develop PPID.  A horse can be just IR, just PPID or both, and the way we get a diagnosis is through lab work. To get a full diagnosis, the labs you need are these 4: ACTH, insulin, glucose and leptin.  Cornell is the only lab that does a leptin, so we suggest you send your labs there.  Your vet needs to already have or to set up an account there.  The blood requires special handling and also overnight shipping.  Cornell provides discount overnight shipping labels, so make sure your vet takes advantage of those!  Here's the link where you can find them:   https://ahdc.vet.cornell.edu/Shipping/  The reason why we need to get a "full" diagnosis is that treating IR and/or PPID needs to be customized.  PPID is treated with medicine (pergolide), IR is treated with Diet, and if a horse has both IR and PPID, they would need both pergolide and special management of their diet for the rest of their lives.  The details about how to prepare for and draw the labs are on our website here:  http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview/ddt-diagnosis

On to Diet.  The diet for an IR horse is a low sugar/ starch (under 10% sugar+starch) low fat (4% or under) balanced diet.  So that means grass hay, tested to be under 10% sugar + starch with minerals added to balance the hay to the analysis.  To replace the fragile ingredients lost in the hay curing process, we add Vitamin E and ground flax seed.  A boarding situation does make this a bit challenging with testing hay but we have lots of members who have come up with innovative ideas on how to accomplish it!  Read about the emergency diet on our website here:   http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview/ddt-diet  Unfortunately, there is no "magic bullet" for treating IR.  I myself did try the product Heiro before I found this group and so from personal experience I can tell you that it did not help my pony.  There is a lot of past discussion about it.  This is a good one that puts thing is pretty good perspective:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/184137  Also, I looked at that "E-Tec" product and it is 8% fat--twice as high as we recommend.  There are safer supplements available hat can help to balance your hay.  The best way for us to help you, including assessing your diet, is for you to fill out a case history for us.  You need to join our latest "filing cabinet" group called ECH8 to do that.  Here's a link:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/info  Follow the instructions on that main page to fill our your mare's CH.  As far as free choice hay feeding goes, it is not usually a good idea for an IR horse.  Along with insulin resistance comes leptin resistance. Leptin is the hormone that tells us to "stop eating" and since an IR horse is resistant to that hormone, they just cannot self regulate.  Your mare should be getting 1.5-2%of her BW in low s/s hay in slow feeder nets.  It can be done in a boarding situation--it just takes more innovative planning.  There are ideas in our files and old messages on how to make it work.

Trim:  Toes backed and heels lowered so that the hoof capsule closely supports the internal structures of the foot.  You are welcome too take pictures and post them in the PHOTOS section of ECH8 for one of our hoof gurus to take a peek at and see if your trim might need any tweaking.  Here's a site on how to take good hoof pictures: http://www.all-natural-horse-care.com/good-hoof-photos.html

Exercise: The best IR buster there is! But a laminitic horse should never be forced to move.  If your mare is not footsore, then you should exercise her as much as you can!  If she is footsore, don't force her, but let her tell you what she can do.  Long straight lines with no tight turns.  Boots and pads for comfort, if needed.

Karen, we have a lot of great information to share with you on both our website and in our files and old messages.  Take the time to read as much as you can.  You can often find the answer to your questions in our old messages, but don't hesitate to ask any questions that you do have.  It's how we all learn.  Thanks for signing your name, date of joining and location!  When you get your CH done, would you add a link to it in your signature as well, please? It really helps the volunteers to find it faster and to answer your questions faster!

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC Primary Response
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/files/maggie%20in%20virginia/




Re: Feeding the IR horse

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Karen,
Welcome to the group. How was your mare diagnosed? Were you given any instructions on how to manage her by your vet? There are no magic bullets to managing IR. You feed a low sugar/starch forage with minerals balanced to that hay's assay. Its really pretty simple.

The list philosophy is DDT/E. That means DIAGNOSIS, DIET, TRIM and EXERCISE.

DIAGNOSIS is by bloodwork. We recommend having bloodwork of Insulin/Glucose/and Leptin on a NON fastng horse for a true diagnosis. Feed your mare soaked/drained grass hay the night before and the day of the blood draw. Fasting will give you a false low value. Horses are not made to fast ~ they are trickle eaters. As long as you are testing go ahead and have her ACTH tested. At age 29 she could be PPID or starting. Send your bloodwork to Cornell. Cornell is the only lab in the US that tests Leptin.

DIET. Test your hay. We use www.equi-analytical.com and get the Trainer # 603 for $54. This will tell you the minerals in the hay as well as the sugar/starch content. Boarding makes it more interesting! Your barn owner may be very helpful with this ~~or~~ you will have to get very creative about where you store your own tested hay. I don’t know if you've heard of this product but many of us use Ontario Dehy Timothy Balance cubes. It’s a small cube of timothy hay with the minerals and beet pulp already added to it. All you add is Vitamin E, salt and flax seed. Horses LOVE the taste and you can wet it if teeth are a problem. This cube is totally safe and completely balanced. The diet you are presently feeding her is not balanced. I don’t understand ''she can only tolerate 20-25 minutes of grass per day''. What does she do? I would stop the grass. Its high in sugar. I would soak the hay she is eating because that reduces the sugar up to 30%. Then I would put her on the Temporary Emergency DIET in the Start Here file. You can purchase all the ER minerals at Walmart or any drugstore. They are Vitamin E, loose iodized table salt, magnesium and flax seed freshly ground. I would stop the alfalfa ~ its high in calcium which you may not need and it makes some horses foot sore.

TRIM is a balanced foot with toes backed from the top and heels lowered. Boots and pads will make her more comfortable if she's having foot problems.

EXERCISE is excellent for IR if she can handle it. Never force a laminitic horse to move.

Karen, Tell us more about your mare. Please join ECH8, fill out the questionnaire. This really paints a bigger picture for the volunteers to help you. If you type Heiro in the search box you will get lots of information on this product. We do NOT suggest you spend your money on it. It is not a product we endorse.

Here are some links you will find helpful.

http://www.freil.com/~mlf/IR/ir.html

http://www.softrideboots.com/1/

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/echistory8

www.equi-analytical.com

http://www.all-natural-horse-care.com/good-hoof-photos.html

Mandy in VA
EC Primary Response
OCT 2003


Re: grazing muzzle for movement (and our story)

larkstabatha
 

Something I learned from Linda Winfield Cowles from Whole Horse Health Yahoo Group, that works with the My Best Friend Muzzle, was to take an EasyCare Hoof Boot Comfort Pad and fit it to the inside, bottom of the muzzle, secure it with zip ties and cut a hole (sized to your liking) to further restrict grazing access to a smaller area and longer grass.   Good to have options.


Sally in N. AZ

April 2013


Re: Updating a history in ECHistory5

Deb Funderburk <hawkhilldeb@...>
 

Hi Mandy and all,

I finally got the pictures of Cory's trim up. I think I am posting the link here:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory5/photos/albums/1275105710

Hope these pictures are good enough. The white powder on his feet is Goldbond. Didn't know it would be so hard to brush off. Can anyone give me some feedback? My farrier took off about a quarter inch of heel and a little of the toe. When I wouldn't let him put shoes on him, he said he wouldn't be coming back (after 22 years of trimming Cory). I'm so distressed. I also have X-rays if I can figure out how to post them. Please let me know if these aren't good enough and I will get more.

Case history: <http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Deb%20Funder\;
burk%20in%20NC/

Deb Funderburk and Cory
NC July 2012


Re: Is it time to put my pony down?

Emily Phillips
 

"I'm sure there are many here who would be interested in an herbal remedy, which will slow down  tumour growth.  Can you be more specific and link us to the data supporting this statement."

 

No data but anecdotal success from another member on here who had managed to successfully slow down cancer of the mouth on her horse with a remedy put together here in Australia by McDowell's Herbal Treatments:  http://www.herbal-treatments.com.au/

It contained Horsetail, Wormwood, Echinacea, Violet Leaves, Red Clover, Sheeps Sorrel, Comfrey, Pau D'Arco, Burdock, Cats Claw, and Poke Root.

 

She also applied aloe vera gel topically and aloe juice orally.

 

Of note to Dr Kellon's point on other thread, the horse in question had undiagnosed and therefore uncontrolled PPID, which was what very sadly took him in the end with a nasty acute episode of laminitis.

But the vets were amazed at how well his cancerous tumour had been doing - in terms of the speed of progress considerably slowed, giving him years of extra life that they would otherwise not have predicted...

 

I have had no personal experience with herbs but if you are going to wait a few weeks / months Melanie, it might be something that is worth a try with Babe...  Such a terrible position you find yourself in...  I cry for you...  :(

 

Emily and Cheyenne

Jan 2014

Springmount, Victoria, Australia


 

 


Re: Is it time to put my pony down?

aet001@...
 

Chanda, I'm sorry for your pending loss, as well.  Fly free, beloved mare, green grass and blue skies forever.  Amy in PA '06ish (Herbie IR, Darby, lost beloveds on HIH site Echo, Dylan, Pebbles, Cherry, Misty who was C/IR)


---In EquineCushings@..., <chandab@...> wrote :

I'm making this same decision for a mare.  I wanted her to have time out on grass first, yesterday was the first day I opened the pasture, she went out and came right back in.   :(   She'll eat grass that I bring to her, but didn't want to walk around the pasture.    I called the vet yesterday to schedule, but they were out on farm calls, so waiting to call again today.  [Also scheduling 3 gelding proceedures.]

Chanda

MT 9/04


Re: Is it time to put my pony down?

aet001@...
 

msgem2003, I've been kind of following this thread but I apologize, I can't recall your name.  I'm so sorry for the need for your decision.  Fly free, Babe, green grass and blue skies forever.  Amy in PA '06ish (Herbie IR, Darby, lost beloveds on HIH site Echo, Dylan, Pebbles, Cherry, Misty who was C/IR)


---In EquineCushings@..., <mbandep@...> wrote :

Update on my pony Babe…

My vet just came by for shots and to check on Babe’s tumor.  I was entertaining the idea of 

I will wait until the pasture is green and lush and my mud is dried up.  Her last few weeks will be on pasture.

msgem2003 and Babe

Brandon, Ms 2006


 


Feeding the IR horse

kansteen5545@...
 

Hi -
My mare is IR and she has been doing well for some time. I have recently read of a supplement "Heiro" - it's a supplement for IR horses. I was wondering if anyone has tried it.
From what I've been able to glean from this site, the best feed is grass hay with minerals to compensate for what the hay is lacking. I have been feeding a horse pellet -"E-Tec" - one cup AM and PM with one cup Alfalfa and Timothy pellets AM and PM also. For the rest, she gets grass hay - two to three flakes of two-wire (square)in summer and in winter pretty much free choice - and she seems to tolerate grass for 20 to 25 minutes per day. I am wondering if I should cut out the pellets. She's 29 years old and the pellets contain microbials, which I thought were needed to help her digestion. Plus they also have vitamins and trace minerals.
Another thing I was wondering was feeding round bales in the winter, since she has pretty much free choice hay anyway. But now I am wondering about that. She has not been on round bales but many boarding places only offer that. However, there are some that use a slow-feed net.
I moved with my horse from Flagstaff, AZ to Maine in 2011 and horse keeping here is very different, and unfortunately, I must board here.
Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks
Karen in Maine
May 2014










---- "threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings]" <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

Some members interested in Nuzu Stabul1 have experienced frustration and disappointment when Tractor Supply could not find the product in their system and complete an order.

As of this week TSC created a direct link between Nuzu's website and their ordering portal. All of the TSC stores have been notified, explaining what Nuzu had to offer.

If you have been one of the disappointed folks, recommend giving your local Tractor Supply a call again.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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Re: Is it time to put my pony down?

Lorna Cane
 


> Have you done any research on herbal remedies for tumors ?  There are some out there that specifically slow the tumors down.

Hello Lisa,

I'm sure there are many here who would be interested in an herbal remedy, which will slow down  tumour growth .
Can you be more specific and link us to the data supporting this statement.

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
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Re: Nuzu Stabul1 and Tractor Supply

ferne fedeli
 

Thanks for the info, Nancy.  Hopefully, that will make our next order a little easier.  I had to go back and forth between Randy at NUZU and TSC.  Randy was very helpful and we finally compromised on a 20-bag order that we are splitting between 3 of us.  TSC originally wanted us to get a full pallet and then they said 10 bags each at $30+ per bag before taxes, etc.  Our final price is about $30 a bag including tax and shipping.  Not exactly cheap, so hope my gang likes it or I will go back to Triple Crown Lite at about $23 a bag...
Ferne Fedeli
Mendocino County/No. California
4/2010


On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 11:57 AM, threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

Some members interested in Nuzu Stabul1 have experienced frustration and disappointment when Tractor Supply could not find the product in their system and complete an order.

As of this week TSC created a direct link between Nuzu's website and their ordering portal. All of the TSC stores have been notified, explaining what Nuzu had to offer.

If you have been one of the disappointed folks, recommend giving your local Tractor Supply a call again.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
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http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc

 






Re: Got my ODTBs. Now what? And some musings.

Nancy C
 

Hi Jenelle

You are doing a fabulous job for Tsunni! I'm really impressed.

I wish we could clone your vet.  Yes, you have a treasure.

Your plan to start the APF prior and to titrate onto the Prascend sounds good. When my gelding started pergolide, I gave him the APF for a few days, maybe a week,  prior.  No issues transitioning on.

Good job!

Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <jeninmn@...> wrote :
Jenelle H.
and Tsunni (Love Tstori, 1987 Arab mare, {Sanbara Tsali x L Love})
Hennepin County, MN
Joined December 2011


Nuzu Stabul1 and Tractor Supply

Nancy C
 

Some members interested in Nuzu Stabul1 have experienced frustration and disappointment when Tractor Supply could not find the product in their system and complete an order.

As of this week TSC created a direct link between Nuzu's website and their ordering portal. All of the TSC stores have been notified, explaining what Nuzu had to offer.

If you have been one of the disappointed folks, recommend giving your local Tractor Supply a call again.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
www.ECIRhorse.org
Check out the FACTS on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup
Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group
http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc

 





Re: Is it time to put my pony down?

Nancy C
 

We have sen our share of cancer patients here.  For those who are struggling with both ppid and cancer, it's really important to make sure the diagnosis is made correctly and the  disease is controlled.

This is from an archived post and also has an good reference resource but teh URL has changed.  Use the one below.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/143045

 

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There's a good brief overview including treatment options and prognosis here:

https://www.acvs.org/large-animal/skin-tumors-horses

As far as I know, there haven't been any studies looking at PPID and cancer risk, but it is well known that cortisol weakens the sophisticated arm of the immune system that is involved in recognizing malignancies. Pergolide treatment should have no effect directly on the tumor one way or another, but well controlled PPID ameliorates the negative immune system effects.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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Check out the FACTS on Facebook
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Need lots of info........

Tabie Reed
 

I just bought  a barrel gelding and he has
Cushings I want to know the best treatment since the people I bought him from were unawre of the issue. I have shaved him but he has grown allot of that back. I am going to put him on the Pergolide. I want to know any symptoms I can look for with giving that I have had him on a natural supplement but no help. Will he have more energy with the Pergolide? Any helpful info would be great



ODTBC as treats

cathi cline
 

This has my primary training reinforcer for my Fell pony for over a year.

I began using one cube = one treat.  I am a clicker trainer so feed a lot of treats for training ( 80 to 120 per day). Gradually I have broken the cubes into flakes to lower the volume of food. Most cubes will give me 3 or 4 treats.

My pony LOVES them even after a year of receiving them every day.

Cathi Cline and Olympus since Oct 2013
Sacramento, CA

99261 - 99280 of 282393