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Magnesium oxide

 

I just got a bag of Baymag 58s magnesium oxide from the feed store. I've been searching the conversations & table of contents but haven't been able to find out how much to feed. Help please! Beth & Flame NV Oct 2013


Re; Bounce Blood test results

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Ruth,


Were the ACTH and Insulin tests also done non-fasting or just the glucose? Understand how trying it can be when the vet isn't on the same page. At least he is "humoring you" to some extent with the IR. That's a start.

I was basing my work load comments on his case history. This is why keeping case histories current is of enormous benefit.The current light work is still more than just hanging out eating all day so is contributing to keeping his propensity for IR in check as a Morgan of any lineage is going to be in the higher risk category. When they stop work for any reason they are at high risk for developing full-blown IR. This may be part of the explanation for the bug bite reactions, goopy eyes, vax reactions, cresty neck, recurrent abscesses and fluctuating energy levels you were seeing. Early PPID may also be playing a role, where pergolide may only be needed during the seasonal rise period. Only way to know on that will be to retest his ACTH during the seasonal rise period. Diet imbalances would be the other contributing factor.

The Brooks-Unti nutritional analysis is only a partial listing of the "headline" items. Same with the ingredient list they provide. The pdf actually says to contact them directly for a full ingredient list. The product is NOT suitable for an IR equine as the fat level at 10% is too high and is has an inverted Omega 3:6 ratio due to the rice bran. RB also has an average ESC+Starch of 27.8%. Plus, high fat diets will induce IR over time. It's touted as low NSC but they won't provide the NSC unless you contact them directly - hmmm.

Know you're working on getting the hay analysis. That's a solid step toward getting Bounce's diet balanced for optimum health.

Based on these xrays I don't see any need to take any more in the near future.

Overall, the trim is pretty good but there is room for improvement. The xrays do not show rotation in the common sense. They do show coffin bones that are virtually ground parallel, with toes a bit too long and soles a bit too thin. This GP coffin bone orientation puts them at risk of going negative plane at the slightest insult and when in motion. It also stresses all the tendons and ligaments by putting them under constant load. Backing the toes to the white line would likely lower the height at the toes by removing that tiny lip of excess toe height that is providing the hollow space at the dorsal rim of the hoof, thereby raising the palmer processes of the CB into a more correct orientation. This would also help develop a thicker sole over time. Will be interesting to see if the farrier has done this since the xrays were taken once you have a chance to get current hoof pics.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
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Re: ACTH 77

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Larina,


It may not be your computer - Neo has been making things difficult again. If you continue to have problems, feel free to send your updates to one of us and we can get them into your folder for you.


I don't see any insulin results in the tests in your case history - are there any? I am only seeing some glucose and T4 numbers.


The barn staff is being negligent. If you have a boarding contract this may be actionable.


Daisy's ACTH is definitely not controlled - it is about 3 times what we would recommend it to be at this time of the year and the seasonal rise effect hasn't officially started yet. The information you were given regarding the Oct results was not correct - 95.7 is way out of the range to be considered "normal" even during the seasonal rise. How much pergolide was she on at that time and was the same boarding barn handling her meds?


Once on a targeted dose of pergolide, the ACTH should stabilize in 2-3 weeks time at whatever level the dose is controlling it to. Obviuosly, you cannot tell how much effect the pergolide may/may not be having as the barn staff is not fulfilling their obligation to make sure she receives her meds. Is there any way you could pay someone - a friend/relative/barn buddy - to make sure she gets her meds on a regular schedule? Not getting her meds regularly is allowing her PPID to progress and putting her at increased risk of laminitis. NOT something you want to do. Plus, when the schedule is erratic like that she may have issues with pergolide veil kicking in when she goes several days without meds then gets a full dose. That type of bouncing around with her endocrine system is certainly not healthy. I know you know this - just making a point for everyone else that is reading this.


Given how high her ACTH was and how elevated it is now I wouldn't see any harm in raising her dose to 1.5mg daily but you need to make sure she receives it daily as a larger dosage is also more likely to create larger swings when doses are missed then reintroduced and may cause other reactions.


Sorry, is that clear as mud?


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team




 





ACTH 77

larina.alton
 


Hi everyone,
I'm sorry, I am having a problem updating my folder. There is something going on with my computer.
 
Sedona Daisy was formally diagnosed with cushings in 2013. She is on Stabul 1 plus and timothy balance cubes, is not apparently IR and no laminitis so far. Glossy coat with some guard hairs, good weight. Her most recent ACTH (results in yesterday) is 77 with high end of normal at 35. Results are from cornell. Last October she was 95.7, normal range 35, also from cornell, but I was assured that 3x normal was the range for seasonal rise.
She is on 1 mg compounded pergolide. BUT I have had a lot of trouble with the boarding barn - there have been many times I have caught them not giving her her medication, a couple of times for a full week while I was out of town. This is not the only boarding barn I have had such issues with. I am looking around for somewhere new and am going out every day to feed it myself (this is not a long term solution because I have a lot of out-of-state travel for work), but in the meantime I am not completely certain whether the high reading could possibly be explained by the lax boarding barn or if she needs a higher dose. She seems to have been getting it about 6 days a week or so (I know).
Vet recommends increasing from 1 mg to 1.5. Does anyone have any thoughts?
Thank you in advance for your help and advice!!
Larina Alton
http://pets. groups.yahoo. com/group/ echistory7/ files/Sedona% 20Daisy/
Sedona Daisy, member since July 2013
Hennipen County MN


Re: Pinworms

kimshu92026@...
 

Does anyone know if Dr. Kellon is out of town? I've sent her a couple emails asking for a consultation, but, haven't heard back from her.

Kim and Nanna
Southern CA
May 2008


Re: Omega 3 and Vit E

Nancy C
 

Hi Marianne.

I'm on the run but don't see this as an effective method of delivery.

For the Vit E here's how to convert mg to IU

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminE-HealthProfessional/

 



For the Omegas...you need both omega 3s and 6s.  Here's  message that may help

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/160088

 

Six of you caps will give you about the same Omega 3s as flax.  You want the Omega 3 and 6 ratio to be about 4:1

If I'm right about the conversion of mg to IU in the above link, you will get very little Vit E.

Need to know more about the Case.

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... how many capsules should a horse then get per day in the case of accute laminitis, and how many per day in a non-acute phase








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Omega 3 and Vit E

jannepauli@...
 

Can someone help me with a calculation?

If you have one capsule of Omega 3, combined with Vit E, containing: Omega 3 1000mg and Vit E 10mg  ( EPA 33%, DHA 22%)

... how many capsules should a horse then get per day in the case of accute laminitis, and how many per day in a non-acute phase





Note: For human nutrition support: one capsule per day


Thanks all!

Marianne

The Netherlands EC 2011



Re: help with pony trim..

bigwhitevan2002
 

Thanks Linda,
I will get them up later in the week, 
( at least I am planning on it, I am still grieving the loss of my mom and having a hard time functioning but pony needs me so I am being very brave.)
Julie


Re: help with pony trim..

PapBallou@...
 

Of course!

Linda
You know the rest...


Bounce Blood test results

Ruth Vale
 

Hi all, responding from the digest
Gentpony wrote:
>Alton is very close to Guelph

Not so much.  I will get clarification on the sample handling.  FWIW, Alton is the municipality but it covers a lot of territory.  Both Vet & I are closer to Orangeville - which puts us on the outer periphery of the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) and the far end of the courier routes going in either direction.  As for how do I know that - had to drive 1.5 hours into the GTA for what was supposed to be a courier drop off and they took it back to the depot because I wasn't home (they knew that).  :(.  

Lavina wrote:
      >This is the second time I'm trying to reply - hope Neo lets it post.

Received.

>The most recent testing shows all the values have gone up from when the tests were done in Feb,
>which is troubling. The Leptin stayed about the same.
>Both sets of numbers calculate that Bounce is technically not IR, which is great, but as there is some question about the
>handling of the samples it would make sense to be cautious. The Leptin value says he is IR at baseline,

This has been my conclusion.  I need patience here.   It took some serious convincing to have the vet (whom I otherwise trust implicitly) do to non-fasting glucose test.  He is not convinced that IR is a valid medical diagnosis so we have a ways to go.  Currently he's agreed with me that treating him as IR is probably the safer way to go.

>which means that his work load and diet are the only things keeping him
>from becoming overtly IR and at risk for more laminitis.

Sorry this isn't clear to me.  Workload is minimal and you said diet is inappropriate (I didn't say I agreed, but that's a different point).  As far as I see it, workload and diet are at minimal levels - we are working upward but for now are relatively insignificant factors IMO.  He is outside every day on 1 acre dry lot shared with other horses.  He gets hacked at walk and a little trot on the quarter track, 3-5 times a week.   He used to be schooling 3rd level dressage, ridden or driven 6d/wk sand competed at least 7yrs in training level combined driving. By way of exercise, we're doing some lateral work at walk and trot but compared to what he used to do - muscle is building again but he's on R&R minimum work load.  He'll get more real hacking when the bugs go back to bed and we can get onto the bush trails again.

>he is a Lippitt Morgan.
Correction.  He has a solid Government and Brunk pedigree lines with only one line going to Lippitt breeding.  His confirmation and character looks nothing like Lippitt. He's just shy of 15.1h, and is built like a plow horse ("pocket Belgian" in Mennonite-speak).   He using a draft size neck collar in harness and a custom saddle wider than the two 17h Clydesdales in the barn.  That has everything to do with the size of his frame.  More so when he was fit and doing combined driving.

>The Brooks Un-Ti is not a suitable feed for him.
>Cannot seem to find an actual ingredient list for it,
 
Brooks Un-ti nutritional analysis:
http://www.brooksfeeds.com/pdf/products_UnTi.pdf

Brooks Ingredients - scroll to the bottom and download the .pdf.
http://www.brooksfeeds.com/products.php?category=performance+and+recreation+rations&id=2

>Better choices would be Ontario Dehy Balanced Timothy Cubes,
>soy hull pellets or r/s/r beet pulp as carriers for his supplements.

I started him out at 2lbs and he did not maintain weight. Worked up from there.  At 3.5lbs/day he is maintaining weight.   He has never been an air fern.  The only time he looked overly tubby was the year I was sidelined with a knee replacement and he did nothing but hang out in the barn and paddock from Dec through the winter. I was back on him without stirrup, 6 wks and 4 days after surgery - carefully. 

OTOH, He has been, shall we say, "way too short of food" twice in his life.    Of the incident where I have direct knowledge, (spring 2007) I hauled him out of the boarding stable under police escort and sued the barn owner (and won) for failure to meet contract terms.  This after the barn owner kept feeding me excuses through the very harsh winter as to why he wasn't being fed in the stall I paid for, was turned out with no hay or water in the paddock or worse-- and who kept leaving the lane un-plowed and closing the barn at erratic hours (If that isn't a red flag I don't know what is).  I moved him as soon as the roads cleared.  He was scary thin.  I still have the pics.  Seriously nutritionally compromised  - it took about a year to put him back into working condition.    Problem last year was not that he was obese (not) but rather he was carrying small fat pockets in the wrong places and otherwise looking ribby and unthrifty (definitely NOT morganish!).  Bigger issues with his disinterest in things and the recurring abscessing.   The "hay belly" look as disappeared and he is looking good. Pictures are scheduled.

>minerals properly balanced to the major portion of his diet - his hay.
Will balance when I get the hay measures.  Haven't been able to corner the barn owner yet for the results.

Somewhere in the wars between "what can I eat" and "what will I eat", This Morgan put his foot down.   No matter how hungry, he will not touch Dehy cubes or beet pulp - or anything soaked (bran being the exception).  In addition, nor will the barn owner feed beet pulp due to the complexities and risks associated with soaking.  This is a boarding situation we all have to find something we/he/I can live with.

>The new hoof wall growing in directly below the coronary band may be coming in
>at a steeper angle than the older growth down below. It would point to here having been some rotation/founder occurring.

Xrays (taken in February 2014) are posted.  Vet & Farrier saw no sign of rotation.  More recent photographs are scheduled.  More xrays are not in the budget.

Ruth Vale
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Re: Requirements for ACTH Testing?

Nancy C
 

Amen.  This work is too important.

Thanks for the uplift Ferne.

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help with pony trim..

bigwhitevan2002
 

Hey all,

I am back online after a brief hiatis. Pony's feet have been a bit neglected and am looking for some help with what to do next , would like to post some pics later this week if anyone is game to have a look see.

she is behind on trimming due to family stuff so want to get back on track.


Thanks 

Julie

Oregon, 06


Re: Is this low grade laminitis?

PapBallou@...
 





2 weeks after that abscess broke she abscessed on the left fore.  She was getting better (just a little ouchy) and she was trimmed and went totally sore on both fronts. That was 4 weeks ago.  My trimmer feels Amelia has laminitis and suggested this website.  Friday she was trimmed again and immediately went sore on both fronts again, though much less ouchy as after the trim 4 weeks ago. (the June pics).

Hi Melodie -

Lavinia is having neo problems so will pop in in case she's having a meaningful discussion with her computer...

My trimmer is not aggressive. She shows where the "toe wants to be" and it is quite far back and is getting there slowly. I'm wondering if the toe trim is making Amelia sore?  I know she doesn't touch the heels.

 Unless Amelia is dealing with Lyme, it is highly unlikely she has laminitis.  Highly unlikely...regardless of an abscess track up through the coronet band.  Even that should cause minimal damage that would easily be able to repair itself.  Suspect the abscesses may be due to the bad form you describe finally getting under control, so the feet have been able to start cleaning  up after whatever happened on the track.

It will be good to see the x-rays.  Strongly suspect she has some descent, based on what the hoof capsules look like, her history, and her current symptoms.  So very, very common.  And if that's the case, the x-rays are the best investment you can make.   That will really dictate what should and should not be done as far as the trim.  Main thing is to keep her comfy, with boots/pads or casts, or similar.

Linda
EC  Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004




Re: Is this low grade laminitis

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Melodie,


Thanks for the additional pics. As the vet is coming tomorrow for the xrays, will wait until you have a chance to upload those as well so that we have all the info in hand before making recommendations.


Your hubby sounds an awful lot like mine :) As long as the labels are consistent it's fine.


Good that there is no hollow sound - it's pretty unmistakable when it's there.


While they can quite painful and awful to watch, abscesses are the body's way of expelling nasty stuff that shouldn't be where it is. They are a form of clean-up crew. It can be necrotic tissue, foreign objects, collections of bacteria. Generally, they will follow the path of least resistance so exits thru the coronary band and heel bulbs are common. It is quite possible that there were collections of material sitting within Amelia's feet from before you got her that are now being mobilized because her hoof form is moving in a better direction. Better hoof form will allow her to move more correctly and use her feet in a different, more beneficial way and this movement causes the hidden secretions to be pushed to the outside (a good thing).


What let loose from sole of the LF was probably not toe callus but compressed, exfoliating dead sole that had run forward conveyor-belt style as the toes shot out in front of where they should have been. As the trim has shortened the toes back, this excess material also came loose. Toe callus is dense, thickened sole formed under the leading edge of the coffin bone as protection. It doesn't form until the toe length is correct.


Can you please take a moment more before hitting send to delete most of the post you are replying to. It helps keep messages from becoming reams of repeat info that buries the current questions. Makes the lives of people on digest and of your volunteers infinitely easier. Appreciate your help with this.


You're doing a great job. Don't forget to breathe (exhale too).


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team


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Re: Requirements for ACTH Testing?

ferne fedeli
 

Don't let Neo get the best of you, Lavinia!!!!
Ferne Fedeli
No. California
4/2010


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:26 PM, shilohmom@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ferne,


Sorry about that. Meant to post that to Elva  :(


Been arguing with Neo and lost my train of thought.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team









Re: Is this low grade laminitis?

melodie miller <mellow_miller@...>
 

Thank you so much for your offer to look at more pics of Amelia's hooves. 
The vet is coming tomorrow to take x-rays.  The IR results combined with the x-rays should give a good idea of what is *really* going on.

I posted pics I took today. My husband mislabled the hooves - he labeled the hooves backwards.. LF = "our" LF, Amelia's RF. Sorry, he barely knows which end eats and which end kicks.
Also, the one "confirmation" pic is from last year July.  The current trimmer began in November 2013. I included that picture as a baseline. BTW.. yes, she really is an OTTB, I know she is "built like a warmblood" but she came right off Penn racetrack.

I tapped the hoof and could not distinguish any "hollow" sound from a "solid" sound. Could be I'm not experienced enough but I could not discern a difference.

A bit of background.  Off the track her feet were a mess and she couldn't hold a shoe. She is also unbalanced (though less now) with her right hoof flared and larger and her left hoof smaller and more upright.  I have been working on that under saddle and she has come a long way. 

I pulled her shoes in August 2012 (5 months after purchasing her) to let her feet rest and never went back to shoes. She was doing well with a pasture trim but after doing some research decided she should be trimmed by a barefoot trimmer. Beginning November 2013, a trimmer (with rave reviews) began trimming Amelia, following the Pete Ramey style trimming. She was doing great until May (we even jumped barefoot) when Amelia abscessed on her right fore.  2 weeks after that abscess broke she abscessed on the left fore.  She was getting better (just a little ouchy) and she was trimmed and went totally sore on both fronts. That was 4 weeks ago.  My trimmer feels Amelia has laminitis and suggested this website.  Friday she was trimmed again and immediately went sore on both fronts again, though much less ouchy as after the trim 4 weeks ago. (the June pics).

My trimmer is not aggressive. She shows where the "toe wants to be" and it is quite far back and is getting there slowly. I'm wondering if the toe trim is making Amelia sore?  I know she doesn't touch the heels. Also, the toe callus on Amellia's LF just recently let loose and is gone!

I read that when the abscess breaks through the coronet it can cause the laminea to loosen. So.. is this laminitis due to the abscesses or are the abscesses due to laminitis? I guess that is the million $$ question.

Again,
Thank You for your support and understanding,  it really helps. Especially since Amelia is the only barefoot horse at the stable.

Melodie, Chesapeake City, MD. member since  July 2014
 


On Monday, July 14, 2014 12:55 PM, "shilohmom@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:


 
Hi Melodie,

This isn't your fault and Amelia is lucky to have you as such a caring owner so no more self-flagellation - OK :) . You have very good instincts, which is a huge plus for your girl. It is highly likely you "inherited" these issues as they are common in the TB racing world and also the broodmare scene. We see them here on an almost daily basis. What matters is that the issues have been identified and that you are working to clarify and correct them.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team




---In EquineCushings@..., <mellow_miller@...> wrote :

Oh My,  this is very disturbing. I felt something was wrong this past trim (2 days ago) as this is the second time she is very sore AFTER the trim.  I feel terrible thinking I have hurt my poor horse, I love her so.... I took her off the track at just-turned-5 and have taken the "slow route" building her confidence and trust




Re: Requirements for ACTH Testing?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Ferne,


Sorry about that. Meant to post that to Elva  :(


Been arguing with Neo and lost my train of thought.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team







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