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Re: ski tips in coffin bones

PapBallou@...
 

If you or someone can take some with a phone and send to me, L'll post them for you.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: ski tips in coffin bones

kansteen5545@...
 

Hi Linda -
I'm sorry, but I don't have the capability of putting pictures on my computer - the ski tip on x-ray last spring was not large. I just didn't know if this would cause a horse pain - she has foundered twice in the 20 years I have had her. She was boarded out both times. I have rehabbed her both times to full function.
All else looked good, trim -wise, on that x-ray. If it's not the ski tip causing problems, then I'll just keep watch to see what else develops and call my vet as needed.
Thanks.
Karen
Scarborough, ME
May 2014


Ski tips in general rarely interfere with movement, unless really large, and even then many, if not most, horses are not affected. Usually it's considered a 'finding' on the x-ray, and is a pretty strong indication that there has been an uncorrected founder in the past.







Re: ski tips in coffin bones

PapBallou@...
 

X-rays?  Pictures?  Any discussion about this issue with your mare is basically a shot in the dark without seeing what is the possible cause of the problem.

Ski tips in general rarely interfere with movement, unless really large, and even then many, if not most, horses are not affected.  Usually it's considered a 'finding' on the x-ray, and is a pretty strong indication that there has been an uncorrected founder in the past.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004




---In EquineCushings@..., <kansteen5545@...> wrote :

Sorry!! I forgot the link to my file!!
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Karen%20and%20Bay%20Lady/
Karen
Scarborough,ME
May 2014

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Re: ski tips in coffin bones

kansteen5545@...
 

Sorry!! I forgot the link to my file!!
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Karen%20and%20Bay%20Lady/
Karen
Scarborough,ME
May 2014

---- "kansteen5545@... [EquineCushings]" <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

Hello -
My mare foundered in 2011. The following spring I had x-rays taken to check her feet. These showed a ski tip on one of her coffin bones.
This spring she had a slight bout with laminitis, but all symptoms have been gone for well over a month. I have started riding her again, and have recently progressed to a trot. She's a 29 year old Standardbred and loves to trot. However, I noticed when I came home today, that she planted her butt up against the shed wall and stuck her left foot out. I felt a pulse in that foot but none in the right. The ski tip is in the left. Does this mean I should not even be riding her? Or only riding at the walk? How much does a ski tip affect the usability of a horse. Or perhaps it is more connected to the laminitis a month or so ago? Is she better off being retired?
Karen
Scarborough,ME
May2014


Re: ski tips in coffin bones

kansteen5545@...
 

Hello -
My mare foundered in 2011. The following spring I had x-rays taken to check her feet. These showed a ski tip on one of her coffin bones.
This spring she had a slight bout with laminitis, but all symptoms have been gone for well over a month. I have started riding her again, and have recently progressed to a trot. She's a 29 year old Standardbred and loves to trot. However, I noticed when I came home today, that she planted her butt up against the shed wall and stuck her left foot out. I felt a pulse in that foot but none in the right. The ski tip is in the left. Does this mean I should not even be riding her? Or only riding at the walk? How much does a ski tip affect the usability of a horse. Or perhaps it is more connected to the laminitis a month or so ago? Is she better off being retired?
Karen
Scarborough,ME
May2014


Re: Tallulah 23 yo Welsh X PPID diagnosed 07-15-14

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Alison,
I tried to open your file on Tallulah in ECH8  but my computer wont open a zip file.   Could you change it to PDF?      I’ll warn you now that we give lots of instructions!   It all meant to help you faster so please bare with us.   When you get your file to open,  please cut and paste the link to it and sign off with it next to your name, date you joined and where you live.   You could have a neighbor near by to help you source items you’ll be needing.  
 
The list philosophy is DDT/E.   This means DIAGNOSIS,  DIET,  TRIM  and EXERCISE.
 
You have a partial Diagnosis.  Your pony may be PPID aka Cushings.  WE recommend bloodwork be sent to Cornell in NY.   Please post the lab values you have for PPID.   We need the lab name,  the value and the unit of measure.   PPID is treated with Pergolide.   Sadly, it appears  your vet is confusing PPID with IR>   IR is managed by DIET.   What you  need to do now is have bloodwork for Insulin Resistance.   Tallulah is a pony and most ponies are IR because they’re ponies!   She’s showing symptoms of IR,  PD/PU,  overweight (body score of 7).   Do NOT let her back on pasture.   Grass is full of sugar.  What you should do now until your bloodwork comes back and we can see the values and their ratios to each other,  feed her the Temporary Emergency DIET.   This means No pasture,  No grains,  No apples, carrots,  commercial feeds, red salt blocks,  commercial supplements.   You need to be proactive on this.  Get her bloodwork first so you know what you are dealing with.  
 
The Temporary Emergency DIET is in the START HERE! file and at  www.ecirhorse.org     The minerals to this DIET are magnesium oxide,  flax seed freshly ground,  iodized table salt,  and Vitamin E.    You can purchase these at Walmart.   You can also purchase fish hanging scales in the sports department.  You will need to weigh your hay.Soak it for one hour in cold water and pour the water off where she cant get to it.   Soaking her untested hay can reduce the sugar up to 30%.  This could be critical.  We recommend hay testing at www.equi-analytical.com  getting the Trainer # 603 for $54.   This will tell you if the sugar/starch is low enough and if the minerals are deficient or have excesses.  Then you will  have your hay balanced.   Feed her 4 small meals a day.  IF she weighs 500 pounds,  she should get about  10 pounds of soaked/drained hay a day.  This will mean 2.5 pounds of hay per hay net.  You can add the minerals via rinsed/soaked/rinsed beet pulp.  This is a safe feed if you r/s/r ..  I would stop for now any Nutrena products.  We aim for 10% or less sugar/starch a day in hay and carrier combined.    We have a file called Analysis of Various Feeds.  Read the analysis of Nutrena Safe Choice:  16% sugar/Starch (sugar 6.4% and Starch 16%.)  Not safe!
 
TRIM is a balanced foot with toes backed and heels lowered.  If she becomes foot sore,  boots and pads will help.  
 
EXERCISE is the best IR buster out there.  Hand walking if she willing and able.   We recommend NO circles, lunging, tight turns to prevent the wall of the hoof from separating from the laminae. 
 
Alison,  if you need to let her out with her buddies,  get an anti grazing muzzle.  JeffersEquine has them for under $25.  Tape the hole shut.
 
You mentioned your vet said to start Tallulah on Prascend at one mg.   Did your vet tell  you to taper on this drug?  Many of the horses here have had a reaction called the pergolide veil.   You can taper on and or give APF with it.  
 
We know this is a lot to absorb.   Start a journal on your pony and ask questions.  
 
Links that will help you:
 
http://www.freil.com/~mlf/IR/ir.html   Enter your lab numbers in this calculator.
 
http://www.softrideboots.com/1/   Great rehab boot.
 
www.equi-analytical.com     Send your hay here.  Order the Trainer # 603
 
 
http://www.all-natural-horse-care.com/good-hoof-photos.html 
 
 
www.ecirhorse.org
 
 
Mandy in VA
EC Primary Response
OCT 2003
 
 


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martha williams
 

Hello-
    I was writing a message and was interrupted before I could sign
off.  Maybe it was sent but I don't see it.   Will wait a bit and re-write - very important Info request.....
    Williams/Dubrow.  '08


Re: Sad news

Michele Hutchison <minpinmom1130@...>
 

Thank you so much. Michele


On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:31 AM, lifesongfarm@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:
 

Michele, I am so very sorry to hear of the passing of Bea into spirit. 

 

"....The answer to the mystery of existence is the love you shared, sometimes so imperfectly. And when the loss wakes you to the deeper beauty of it, the sanctity of it, you can't get off your knees for a long time; you're driven to your knees not by the weight of the loss, but by gratitude for what preceded the loss. ..The ache is always there, but one day not the emptiness, because to nurture the emptiness , to take solace in it, is to disrespect the gift of life." - Dean Koontz

 

Shari Fly Free, Snickers mom

ECIR June, 2013

Western Washington State

 

 

 

 

 

 



Re: Sad news

Shari Starr
 

Michele, I am so very sorry to hear of the passing of Bea into spirit. My thoughts & prayers are with you. I'll light a candle for Bea tonight from my NW Washington porch in Bea's honor. It's been a little over a year of my love, Snickers passing to spirit. I'll pass on this quote to you that was helpful for me.The Hoofbeats In Heaven yahoo support group has helped me greatly & there is a lot of helpful links there also. 

 

"....The answer to the mystery of existence is the love you shared, sometimes so imperfectly. And when the loss wakes you to the deeper beauty of it, the sanctity of it, you can't get off your knees for a long time; you're driven to your knees not by the weight of the loss, but by gratitude for what preceded the loss. ..The ache is always there, but one day not the emptiness, because to nurture the emptiness , to take solace in it, is to disrespect the gift of life." - Dean Koontz

 

Shari Fly Free, Snickers mom

ECIR June, 2013

Western Washington State

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Possible early PPID symptoms

Nancy C
 

Hi Paula

Your numbers from April show an elevated insulin that I would be concerned about.  If it was very cold that day it could also have raised his insulin. His goopy eyes are a symptom of IR and of PPID.  Your ACTH is high normal. He my or may not be PPID.

Both my horses - one metabolic, one not - took forever to shed out this year. 

If you can, I would get combined ACTH, leptin, insulin ($60.00 Cornell cost last time I checked) and serum glucose ($8.00 last time I checked) Make sure you do not test him fasted.  It will skew results.

Other ideas as for loosing weight:  If he was not gettingenough hay, well, he'd loose weight.  He may like this new hay better because of the taste.  Is it higher in sugar or starch than the last batch?  Fiber content - ADF and NDF - could also affect his wanting to eat the old hay, if it was later cut and more stemmy.

Assume he is dewormed regularly and his teeth are up to snuff.

When you next do your minerals I would make sure your CA:Mag and trace mineral ratios are nice and tight.

It's good you are working him. If you have no foot symptoms, no rings, nice tight trim and growth, I would enjoy the rest of the summer and test late August or so.

Nancy C in NH
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Re: Sad news

Nancy C
 

I am so sorry to her this Michele.  It's a hard time.  Thank you for thinking of others.

Thinking of you.

Nancy C in NH
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Re: Possible early PPID symptoms

Chanda
 

I understand the denial, I've been there.   It's easy not to believe it, and for some reason that second horse diagnosed is harder to deal with or believe than the first; I don't know why.  

Chanda

MT 9/04


Re: Possible early PPID symptoms

paulah@...
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <claudiagoodman22@...> wrote :

Hi Chandra and Claudia,
Thanks for sharing your perspective.  I am at the point of disbelief, denial and dismay, and for some reason this is hitting me harder than my other horse Cory's diagnosis.  We'll run the full panel in September and see where we stand at that point.  
Thanks again,
--Paula



In hindsight, I should have tested her again in Aug/Sep 2013 to see where she was going. I regret not knowing and treating her 6 months earlier, but grateful she was able to rebound. I think it's important to not count on seeing multiple symptoms - I used it as a reason to not act sooner. 

Best of luck,

Claudia & Silhouette 2014 California

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Claudia%20%26%20Silhouette/




Tallulah 23 yo Welsh X PPID diagnosed 07-15-14

agtedgerly@...
 

Hello All!  We are very new to this.  My daughter's 23 yo Welsh X pony has recently been diagnosed with Cushings Disease (PPID) and we are trying to get a handle on this.  She is on costal bermuda pasture when not working, and has been changed onto Nutrena Safechoice Special Care post diagnosis; prior, she was on Nutrena Safechoice Maintenance so we have decreased her NSC 10%.  We have done a CBC, Chemistry, ACTH, and TRH Stimulation test 07-15-14.  She had a parasite count of 750 and was dewormed with Ivermectin on 06-20-14.  She does have polyuria, but her weight loss has subsided and she is at a Body Score of about 7.  She has had a profound positive change in mentation and activity level subsequent to her deworming, then again post feed change.  I would like to leave her on pasture, should I just cut out her pellets?  She has no history of laminitis, or sore feet, she is barefoot and our barefoot trimmer comes every 4 weeks to trim.  Our veterinarian recommends beginning Pracend at a dosage of 1mg.  Other than polyuria, all of the other indicators have subsided since the fecal and the feed change, I would like to hold off Pracend if we don't need it yet, or put her on during spring and fall.  I posted her Case History in her file and would appreciate any and all recommendations.  Thank you so much for your time,  Alison


Re: ODTC labels

Lorna Cane
 



Hi Megan,

Maybe the feed store can tell you the batch that your bag came from? They're probably working through a skid.Maybe?


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Re: Sad news

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

I'm so sorry for your loss, Michele. Thank-you for thinking of others at this difficult time.


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Jan 05, RI

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---In EquineCushings@..., <minpinmom1130@...> wrote :

I had to put Bea down this week.  I have a new order of pergolide granules that I just ordered for her from Wedgewood, not opened...just be arriving today.  Pergolide Mesylate 3 mg/5cc scoop Granules 100 Scoop Apple  If anyone is interested, please email me at minpinmom1130@...




 


Re: Sad news

Carla
 

I am so very sorry for your loss of Bea.
Carla and Cupcake
WI/ Dec.12

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Re: ODTC labels

Megan Vogel
 

Thanks Lorna, that's what I get for thinking at work. Can't even get the right cubes written down. The husband accidentally ripped the label off the current bag. I was hoping I was wrong even though that is the most logical.

Megan
August 2003
Frederick, MD/Lovettsville, VA


Sad news

minpinmom1130@...
 

I had to put Bea down this week.  I have a new order of pergolide granules that I just ordered for her from Wedgewood, not opened...just be arriving today.  Pergolide Mesylate 3 mg/5cc scoop Granules 100 Scoop Apple  If anyone is interested, please email me at minpinmom1130@...


Michele and Bea

Colorado



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Re: ODTC labels

Lorna Cane
 




HI Megan,

I *think* you mean the ODTBC?
Not the ODTC - straight Timothy cubes? The company makes both.

The lot number should be there on the tag.I know you know that .
It has always been at the top of tags on bags I have purchased. Nothing there at all?


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