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Re: Need help to post history

Maggie
 

Hi Donna,
and download the second form "Equine History Form.doc" to your computer--NOT the first Adobe (pdf) form.  Save it to your computer with your name and one of your horses. 
Once you have the form downloaded onto your computer, you will see in the yellow that it says "protected view" and you will have to click on "enable editing" to fill out the form.  Once you click on that you should be able to fill out your CH on your computer and then you will go back to the ECH8 site to upload the folder from your saved version on your computer.  I also could not get the Adobe (pdf) form to work, but had no trouble with the ".doc" one once I clicked on "enable editing."  Hope that helps!

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC Primary Response
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/files/maggie%20in%20virginia/


 


Re: Need help to post history

Lorna Cane
 

Not a problem,Donna. A lot of people are having issues.

I'm guessing it's NEO's doing.
 Most of us have had nothing but trouble since Yahoo had the brilliant idea of forcing it upon us.

Please do, though,trim old material from your messages ,before hitting Send.

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
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>Whoops!  Sorry, with all the frustration I am having >getting the CH posted I mouthed off to the group and >did not mean to. 






Re: Need help to post history

Donna Powell
 

Whoops!  Sorry, with all the frustration I am having getting the CH posted I mouthed off to the group and did not mean to.  Thought I was private messaging...my bad.  Sorry.  But I am really frustrated. 
 
Donna
Beaufort, SC
May 2011


On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 6:34 AM, "Donna Powell midnightstarulysses@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:




Ok, I joined, but still cannot write a case history.  I have been to every link and tried all the suggestions about how to make a case history and get the response that it isn't supported.  I either get the form and am unable to use it or I get the response that this is not supported.  I tried the phf and doc version...nada.  Why is this so difficult?  I have never had so much trouble doing something like this. 
 
What now? 
 
Donna Ulysses Rolex
Beaufort,SC
May 2011


On Monday, August 4, 2014 5:13 PM, "shilohmom@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:




Hi Donna,

I'll send you an invite to join.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RIEC Support Team











Re: Need help to post history

Donna Powell
 

Ok, I joined, but still cannot write a case history.  I have been to every link and tried all the suggestions about how to make a case history and get the response that it isn't supported.  I either get the form and am unable to use it or I get the response that this is not supported.  I tried the phf and doc version...nada.  Why is this so difficult?  I have never had so much trouble doing something like this. 
 
What now? 
 
Donna Ulysses Rolex
Beaufort,SC
May 2011


On Monday, August 4, 2014 5:13 PM, "shilohmom@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:




Hi Donna,

I'll send you an invite to join.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RIEC Support Team







Re: Need help to post history

Donna Powell
 

Thanks! 
 
Donna


On Monday, August 4, 2014 5:13 PM, "shilohmom@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:




Hi Donna,

I'll send you an invite to join.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RIEC Support Team







ACTH results 3 hours after blood draw

lomeiko
 

Hi all!!


Just got ACTH results for my obviously Cushingoid 30-year old mare.  The problem is - there's no possibility to centrifuge the blood sample and the lab is 2,5 hours away.  I got it there chilled, and I think they managed to separate the plasma short before 4 hour time span (they also had to do blood count before... I made 2 samples but one of them got spoiled, so they had to use one for both analysis).


Anyway, the result is 9,9...  (I can only compare it with the result I got from my two other, younger horses, they live closer to the lab, within 1 hour drive, and their results were 4 and 2).


So my question is: is it possible to speculate about the real ACTH level under the circumstances?  This is as nest as I can get, unfortunately...


Thanks for any help!


Ekaterina (Moscow, Russia)

March 2013

ECHistory7 

 


Re: Paperwork for equi-analytical and help finding minerals to supplement

jennifer
 

That's where I order my copper. Apart from that I have everything custom mixed here where I am, by a big feed manufacturer. You can ask around, some do custom mixes.

Send an email to Dairy One, they will send you all the paper work back as an attachment. :)

Jennifer in Germany
Laramie July 2011


---In EquineCushings@..., <the.stine@...> wrote :

Thank you Nancy!

I've been looking into the files for mineral sources, but the only site I've come across that ships to norway is this:

http://www.podkowa-liny.pl/produkty.php?kategoria=12&lang=en


Re: Paperwork for equi-analytical and help finding minerals to supplement

 

Thank you Nancy!

I've been looking into the files for mineral sources, but the only site I've come across that ships to norway is this:

http://www.podkowa-liny.pl/produkty.php?kategoria=12&lang=en(which I remember Lars telling me he used).However, shipping costs me more than four times the price of the actual product. The ebay products aren't much cheaper, but the shipping is... How can one find out whether it's food grade? The ebay zinc says pharmaceutical grade.Also, the polish site has copper proteinate, is that ok - or better than copper sulfate? I looked at the label of commercial mineral mixes and they use copper sulfate and zinc oxide. The polish site also has zinc oxide and zinc proteinate, which would be the better choise?

Stine, Norway, april 2013
 
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/echistory7/files/Mahjiino/



Re: New Member from Colorado

Suzanne Mansolilli
 

Thanks for the suggestions, LeeAnne. 

Thanks to you, now I understand how to search conversations and the database! I have read reams of posts, but  I still don't have any clear-cut convincing info on WHY no fasting, except for the fact that it's what happened in the IR Pony Field Study.  I believe I read that the study reflects the most recent research in testing, and that it was the study from which the RISQI proxy was established.   Did I interpret that information correctly?  If so, I think that would make for a convincing argument.  Of course, if those were old posts, it may not be a valid argument if other studies have come out since then that are not based on fasting? 

With that in mind, do I really need an IR test if his physical characteristics all point to IR?  I'll be managing his diet the same no matter how he tests, right?  I know the Cushings test is very important because I need to know if he needs the Pergolide.  Is fasting an issue with the Cushings test? And should the blood draws for either and/or both tests be  done after his abscess heals? It just broke at the coronary band today, so his pain has lessened to the point that I'm not giving bute and he's not completely hopping around on 3 feet, thank goodness.

Anyway, I've uploaded x-rays to the photos section plus 3 hay analysis to the case history file.  One analysis is very low in ESC  + starch, the one labelled "North End Middle". I'd like to buy that hay, unless you think one of the other 2 looks better balanced mineral-wise. I'd love your advice!

SuzanneM and Monty

Western Colorado -- July, 2014

Case History:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/SuzanneM/


ECIR FILES - SEARCH-AND-CLICK TABLE OF CONTENTS

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To quickly find information in the files use the ECIR Files Table of Contents

Note: the above link takes you to a Dropbox document containing the latest PDF version of the TOC.

 

The ECIR Table of Contents (TOC) lists all documents in the all ECIR Groups Files sections. Case Histories, Hay Analysis, Member Work Sheets and Photos have been excluded.  In the TOC you will also find "Also See" sections linking to information that cannot be found in the files. 

Links to the ECIR files go to folders, not the exact documents.  Therefore after clicking you'll have to scroll through the folder to find and open the specific document you are looking for.


File inquiries, comments, suggestions, reports of broken links or missing documents can be sent to LeeAnne at ECIR.Archives <at> gmail <dot> com or posted in the ECIR Group.

Many of the ECIR Groups' files are in PDF format requiring Adobe Reader to view them. Get a  free version here


Some files are in Microsoft Excel format. Get a free reader here

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Re: clarification on salt for the summer

PapBallou@...
 


I have never seen my pony or donkey sweat.
So sweating is bad - a sign of Cushings, right? - and not sweating is
bad too.
So what's the balance in a non-working horse?


Beverly -

I'm have been perplexed by some of the posts about horses not sweating.  My horses don't 'obviously' sweat when just hanging around, and our summer can be blasted hot.  Desert, you know.  I have wondered if some expect to see sweat rolling off a horse in the same manner as we would respond out in the heat..  I'm drenched when I come back inside after just a little time out in the heat/sun.

It's been very clear to me that they do sweat in that I can sometimes catch "wet horse" smell even though they are not wet.  They never act as if distressed, and seem to not always seek the shade as I definitely would.

After exercise, they clearly have sweated - usually under the saddle and bridle.  If it's hot enough that sweat would be rolling off of them (as it seems to be with me when I ride!) then it's too hot to exercise them IMO.

In spring when getting back into riding, I'll see more sweating in the horses, but as they become more fit, the sweating is reduced.  

However, in the warm or hot months, regardless of just how strenuous the workout was, they get BP/oats/salt, or BP/salt, and I get a Dr Pepper.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: clarification on salt for the summer

Nancy C
 

Is there a Case History?

Take a peek at the links I sent for gram requirements per kg of body weight.

You are not stupid. Take it from one who's been there.  And still is way too often.

Nancy C in NH
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Re: clarification on salt for the summer

beverly meyer
 

I'm sorry to be confused on salt, sweating and anhydrosis.
I have never seen my pony or donkey sweat.
So sweating is bad - a sign of Cushings, right? - and not sweating is bad too.
So what's the balance in a non-working horse?
Secondly, after reading a dozen posts, salt recommendations are anywhere from 1 tsp. to 6 Tablespoons. I see your current suggestion of 4Tb.
So, If she is not sweating, now or ever, should I give that much right away and forever daily?
Do I also need One AC??
She gets no work and is under trees.
Thanks so much!! I feel so stupid!
Beverly 5/14
Ginger

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Re: Paperwork for equi-analytical and help finding minerals to supplement

Nancy C
 

Hi Stine

These two sources ay help you.

Dairy One (EAs Dairy arm) on international shipping

http://dairyone.com/analytical-services/feed-and-forage/international-information/

And This folder on EU sources
Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance

 

Hopefully others will chime in if this list is not up to date.

Can't speak to the zinc without looking further and I'm out of time, but I would not feed garden grade copper or zinc.  You need human or animal feed grade.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.
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Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.

 



---In EquineCushings@..., <the.stine@...> wrote :

I'm preparing a sample to send to equi-analytical for mineral analysis, but have some trouble finding my way in the papermill to get to ship it into the US. Is there possibly a step by step guide somewhere I couldn't find? 


Stine, Norway, april 2013
 
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/echistory7/files/Mahjiino/


 


Re: clarification on salt for the summer

Nancy C
 

My horses will sweat here in NH just standing around in really humid weather.

Dr. Kellon goes into precise requirements for maintenance and sweat loss in her NRCPlus course.

Recommendations have been to give at least 2 ounces to a 1100 pound horse with an additional ounce for an hour of sweating. Two ounces is about 4 Tablespoons or a healthy 1/4 cup.  Recommendations for sweating have been to add another ounce per hour of sweat.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/157921

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/142336

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/101743

Nancy C in NH
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Re: Lumps on my mare biopsied and inconclusive results

misyrabi
 


Lorna,

 

The lab that performed the Blood test was Cornell.  And if memory serves it was 409 mg/ml. 

 

The reason we are going real slow regarding increasing the dosage was that when my vet first gave me the meds, they wanted me to give her 1 pill once per day and she did not respond well.  So I restarted her 2 weeks ago by cutting the pill in 1/8 segments and increasing the dosage every 4 days by 1/8 of a pill.  It is easier for me to manage the weaning this way.

 

I give her the medication in a 20 cc tube of applesauce.  The pill is in the middle and I place it on the back of her tongue so she will swallow it.  If I wet down grain and put the pill in that way, she will refuse to eat.  The tube of applesauce is the better delivery vehicle.

 

By increasing dosage by going in 4ths, nothing gets wasted and she acts like she can deal with it better that way.  Its all for her quality of life, right?

 

I understand the point of going up as fast as possible, but given my horses colic history, it really is not worth the risk of another bout of colic. 

 

Then add in the inconclusive biopsy of her lumps and given that they may or may not be cancer, it wont hurt her any if we take our time to get up to the full tab dose.  The tabs are 1mg per tab.  Please bear with me.  I am a nerd heart and soul, but the emotion of my baby possibly having cancer on top of cushings is pretty hard to bear so fine details are not first in my brain.

 

My vet is amazing and I am working with her on the details of how much how often, etc.  What I hope to get from this board is what others experience.  What works and what doesn't and hopefully this cancer scare is not as bad as I think it is. 

 

If I had a choice of dealing with one or the other, I would take the one that gives her the most quality of life possible.  

 

I hope that makes sense.  The data and research is important as it will impact horses in the future, but today for me its about her.  It sounds like the added cancer issue is not common with other cushingoid horses.  That was my original question. 

 

Sorry.

 

Marion Buntyn

Bennett, Colorado

May 2014

 

 

 

 


Re: Need help to post history

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Donna,


I'll send you an invite to join.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RIEC Support Team




Trouble finding your way around the ECIR Group lists?

Nancy C
 



There’s so much info here, the links below can help you negotiate the learning
curve and find background to questions and issues:

** DDT+E - Diagnosis, Diet, Trim plus Exercise - What is it?

http://www.ecirhorse.com/index.php/ddt-overview

Once at the above page, click on the list to the left for even more detail.


** What blood testing do I need for diagnosis?

http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview/ddt-diagnosis


** How to get help with Mineral Balancing

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/files/7%20Help%20with%20Miner\
al%20Balancing/



** Table of Contents - searchable document for all the files in three ECIR
Group lists

http://tinyurl.com/6lsvppq


** Archived Messages - How to Search this treasure trove of information and
history in the NEW NEO format

http://tinyurl.com/mntpk67


** Moving OT Topic to sister or related lists

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/message/167167


** Current Case History filing cabinet accepting new member info

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory8/info

Links to ALL Case History Sites  (Scroll down to  Links to ECIR History Sites.pdf) 

tinyurl.com/3hzhwz

Owners, Moderators & Primary Response Teams of the Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Yahoo group








Prascend Experiences and Reporting to the FDA

Nancy C
 

*** Prascend Experiences 

Anxiety is running high over the claim that 1 to 3  mg  of Prascend (average size horse) will work as well as any dose of compounded pergolide. 

The value of this group lies heavily in members reporting their experiences. 

If you have any information to share about Prascend, either dosage related or side effects, good or bad, please send your story to one of the ECIR Group moderators: 


Lorna Cane <briars@...
Jaini Clougher <merlin5clougher@...
Nancy Collins <threecatfarm@...>. 
Eleanor Kellon VMD <drkellon@...

Your file will be uploaded to the Prascend Experiences File. If you prefer to not have your name used, the moderators will protect your identity. 

All members may read about fellow member experiences here




*** Reporting Adverse Reactions and Ineffective Drugs or Supplements to the FDA  

Failure to respond to the recommended dose is an adverse event that should be reported to FDA as a therapeutic failure.  Evidence of failure to respond can be comprised of observation of clinical signs (lack of change in symptoms) or through blood work.

Information on how to contact the FDA may be found here. 


Reports become part of the permanent Adverse Drug Experience records.



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Paperwork for equi-analytical and help finding minerals to supplement

 

I'm preparing a sample to send to equi-analytical for mineral analysis, but have some trouble finding my way in the papermill to get to ship it into the US. Is there possibly a step by step guide somewhere I couldn't find? 


I'm also wondering where to get the minerals I will need to balance the hay (when I get the results from EA). Single minerals like copper and zinc seem impossible to come by locally, and shipping costs a fortune if I were to buy from Uckele or other manufacturers in USA. I'm located in Norway. 


I have come by cheap minerals on ebay:

1Kg Zinc Oxide Powder 99.99% Red Label Cosmetic/Pharma Grade

1 Pound USA Copper Sulfate powder 99% pure; organic pest control ponds


Would these be safe to feed?


Stine, Norway, april 2013
 
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/echistory7/files/Mahjiino/


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