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Re: email addie for Deb in NC

nuzufeed
 

Mandy,


Would you email that address to  nuzufeed@...


Thanks


Randy

No/IL 9/10


email addie for Deb in NC

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Randy,
 
Here is Deb Funderburk ‘s private email
 
 
Mandy in VA


Re: clarification on salt for the summer

beverly meyer
 

Sorry Nancy, I can't find a specific post with grams of salt. I think it's 2 ounces (4 TB.) per 1100 pounds. So for her 450 pounds, I figure 1 1/2 TB. daily.
5 grams is a teaspoon, right? I never learned grams!
Her case history is Ginger in #8 but is brief with no mention of any of this.
Again, what is the balance of sweating vs. non-sweating?
Is getting her salt up to speed going to help her sweat without also adding One AC?
She stands in 95 degree sun and doesn't appear bothered.
Thanks Linda for your reply too!
And do they need more salt as summer peaks?? or only if working and sweating?
Beverly 5/14
Ginger

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Re: Need help to post history

Donna Powell
 

Maggie!
 
Thanks for the suggestion, already tried that, but just now retried it and no go.  Not only that but for some reason I cannot "trim the post down".  I tried to do that before sending this message...no go.  I never could get it to download to my computer much less click on the yellow strip to edit...etc.
 
I really and honestly want to post CH and am truly trying everything everyone and the site suggest and it just isn't working.
 
So, now what?  I read somewhere you type it out and send it to (a moderator?) and they post it for you.  Did I read that correctly?  And if so how do I get started with that?  I know I read the CH form and answer questions, do I send info in email to moderator?
 
I so very much detest Yahoo for this.
 
Donna
Beaufort, SC
May 2011


On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:49 AM, "spiral1957@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:




Hi Donna,
and download the second form "Equine History Form.doc" to your computer--NOT the first Adobe (pdf) form.  Save it to your computer with your name and one of your horses. 
Once you have the form downloaded onto your computer, you will see in the yellow that it says "protected view" and you will have to click on "enable editing" to fill out the form.  Once you click on that you should be able to fill out your CH on your computer and then you will go back to the ECH8 site to upload the folder from your saved version on your computer.  I also could not get the Adobe (pdf) form to work, but had no trouble with the ".doc" one once I clicked on "enable editing."  Hope that helps!

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC Primary Response
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/files/maggie%20in%20virginia/


 





NuZu call from Deb on N.C.

nuzufeed
 

Deb from North Carolina called our office yesterday. She said she has been working with Dr. Kellon

and that she had some questions about the Stabul 1. The phone number that she left is disconnected.

If she would like to call us back, otherwise I have no way to reach her.


Randy

No.IL 9/10


Re: Paperwork for equi-analytical and help finding minerals to supplement

 

I haven't taken the NRCplus course. I'm unemployed from next week, so economy isn't great, but I will take the course whenever I get a job again..! Spending all my savings on hay and analyses and minerals when the analyses get back it seems.... But I'm very pleased, as I've just come across hay with only 4,5% sugar on the Norwegian analysis (which they claim shows ESC)! :D (Will get additional analysis from equi-analytical, though!)

Stine, Norway, april 2013
 
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/echistory7/files/Mahjiino/ 

 

 


Re: Paperwork for equi-analytical and help finding minerals to supplement

Nancy C
 

Hi Stine

Dr Kellon recommends sulfate or poly for zinc and copper.  I'd go with zinc proteinate rather than zinc oxide as oxide is reported to be poorly available.

You took Dr Kellon's course, right Are you a member of NRCPlus Grads Group? some members there from the EU may have more ideas for options.  NRC PLUS GRADS

Nancy C in NH
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Re: Need help to post history

Maggie
 

Hi Donna,
and download the second form "Equine History Form.doc" to your computer--NOT the first Adobe (pdf) form.  Save it to your computer with your name and one of your horses. 
Once you have the form downloaded onto your computer, you will see in the yellow that it says "protected view" and you will have to click on "enable editing" to fill out the form.  Once you click on that you should be able to fill out your CH on your computer and then you will go back to the ECH8 site to upload the folder from your saved version on your computer.  I also could not get the Adobe (pdf) form to work, but had no trouble with the ".doc" one once I clicked on "enable editing."  Hope that helps!

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC Primary Response
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/files/maggie%20in%20virginia/


 


Re: Need help to post history

Lorna Cane
 

Not a problem,Donna. A lot of people are having issues.

I'm guessing it's NEO's doing.
 Most of us have had nothing but trouble since Yahoo had the brilliant idea of forcing it upon us.

Please do, though,trim old material from your messages ,before hitting Send.

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
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>Whoops!  Sorry, with all the frustration I am having >getting the CH posted I mouthed off to the group and >did not mean to. 






Re: Need help to post history

Donna Powell
 

Whoops!  Sorry, with all the frustration I am having getting the CH posted I mouthed off to the group and did not mean to.  Thought I was private messaging...my bad.  Sorry.  But I am really frustrated. 
 
Donna
Beaufort, SC
May 2011


On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 6:34 AM, "Donna Powell midnightstarulysses@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:




Ok, I joined, but still cannot write a case history.  I have been to every link and tried all the suggestions about how to make a case history and get the response that it isn't supported.  I either get the form and am unable to use it or I get the response that this is not supported.  I tried the phf and doc version...nada.  Why is this so difficult?  I have never had so much trouble doing something like this. 
 
What now? 
 
Donna Ulysses Rolex
Beaufort,SC
May 2011


On Monday, August 4, 2014 5:13 PM, "shilohmom@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:




Hi Donna,

I'll send you an invite to join.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RIEC Support Team











Re: Need help to post history

Donna Powell
 

Ok, I joined, but still cannot write a case history.  I have been to every link and tried all the suggestions about how to make a case history and get the response that it isn't supported.  I either get the form and am unable to use it or I get the response that this is not supported.  I tried the phf and doc version...nada.  Why is this so difficult?  I have never had so much trouble doing something like this. 
 
What now? 
 
Donna Ulysses Rolex
Beaufort,SC
May 2011


On Monday, August 4, 2014 5:13 PM, "shilohmom@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:




Hi Donna,

I'll send you an invite to join.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RIEC Support Team







Re: Need help to post history

Donna Powell
 

Thanks! 
 
Donna


On Monday, August 4, 2014 5:13 PM, "shilohmom@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:




Hi Donna,

I'll send you an invite to join.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RIEC Support Team







ACTH results 3 hours after blood draw

lomeiko
 

Hi all!!


Just got ACTH results for my obviously Cushingoid 30-year old mare.  The problem is - there's no possibility to centrifuge the blood sample and the lab is 2,5 hours away.  I got it there chilled, and I think they managed to separate the plasma short before 4 hour time span (they also had to do blood count before... I made 2 samples but one of them got spoiled, so they had to use one for both analysis).


Anyway, the result is 9,9...  (I can only compare it with the result I got from my two other, younger horses, they live closer to the lab, within 1 hour drive, and their results were 4 and 2).


So my question is: is it possible to speculate about the real ACTH level under the circumstances?  This is as nest as I can get, unfortunately...


Thanks for any help!


Ekaterina (Moscow, Russia)

March 2013

ECHistory7 

 


Re: Paperwork for equi-analytical and help finding minerals to supplement

jennifer
 

That's where I order my copper. Apart from that I have everything custom mixed here where I am, by a big feed manufacturer. You can ask around, some do custom mixes.

Send an email to Dairy One, they will send you all the paper work back as an attachment. :)

Jennifer in Germany
Laramie July 2011


---In EquineCushings@..., <the.stine@...> wrote :

Thank you Nancy!

I've been looking into the files for mineral sources, but the only site I've come across that ships to norway is this:

http://www.podkowa-liny.pl/produkty.php?kategoria=12&lang=en


Re: Paperwork for equi-analytical and help finding minerals to supplement

 

Thank you Nancy!

I've been looking into the files for mineral sources, but the only site I've come across that ships to norway is this:

http://www.podkowa-liny.pl/produkty.php?kategoria=12&lang=en(which I remember Lars telling me he used).However, shipping costs me more than four times the price of the actual product. The ebay products aren't much cheaper, but the shipping is... How can one find out whether it's food grade? The ebay zinc says pharmaceutical grade.Also, the polish site has copper proteinate, is that ok - or better than copper sulfate? I looked at the label of commercial mineral mixes and they use copper sulfate and zinc oxide. The polish site also has zinc oxide and zinc proteinate, which would be the better choise?

Stine, Norway, april 2013
 
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/echistory7/files/Mahjiino/



Re: New Member from Colorado

Suzanne Mansolilli
 

Thanks for the suggestions, LeeAnne. 

Thanks to you, now I understand how to search conversations and the database! I have read reams of posts, but  I still don't have any clear-cut convincing info on WHY no fasting, except for the fact that it's what happened in the IR Pony Field Study.  I believe I read that the study reflects the most recent research in testing, and that it was the study from which the RISQI proxy was established.   Did I interpret that information correctly?  If so, I think that would make for a convincing argument.  Of course, if those were old posts, it may not be a valid argument if other studies have come out since then that are not based on fasting? 

With that in mind, do I really need an IR test if his physical characteristics all point to IR?  I'll be managing his diet the same no matter how he tests, right?  I know the Cushings test is very important because I need to know if he needs the Pergolide.  Is fasting an issue with the Cushings test? And should the blood draws for either and/or both tests be  done after his abscess heals? It just broke at the coronary band today, so his pain has lessened to the point that I'm not giving bute and he's not completely hopping around on 3 feet, thank goodness.

Anyway, I've uploaded x-rays to the photos section plus 3 hay analysis to the case history file.  One analysis is very low in ESC  + starch, the one labelled "North End Middle". I'd like to buy that hay, unless you think one of the other 2 looks better balanced mineral-wise. I'd love your advice!

SuzanneM and Monty

Western Colorado -- July, 2014

Case History:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/SuzanneM/


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Re: clarification on salt for the summer

PapBallou@...
 


I have never seen my pony or donkey sweat.
So sweating is bad - a sign of Cushings, right? - and not sweating is
bad too.
So what's the balance in a non-working horse?


Beverly -

I'm have been perplexed by some of the posts about horses not sweating.  My horses don't 'obviously' sweat when just hanging around, and our summer can be blasted hot.  Desert, you know.  I have wondered if some expect to see sweat rolling off a horse in the same manner as we would respond out in the heat..  I'm drenched when I come back inside after just a little time out in the heat/sun.

It's been very clear to me that they do sweat in that I can sometimes catch "wet horse" smell even though they are not wet.  They never act as if distressed, and seem to not always seek the shade as I definitely would.

After exercise, they clearly have sweated - usually under the saddle and bridle.  If it's hot enough that sweat would be rolling off of them (as it seems to be with me when I ride!) then it's too hot to exercise them IMO.

In spring when getting back into riding, I'll see more sweating in the horses, but as they become more fit, the sweating is reduced.  

However, in the warm or hot months, regardless of just how strenuous the workout was, they get BP/oats/salt, or BP/salt, and I get a Dr Pepper.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: clarification on salt for the summer

Nancy C
 

Is there a Case History?

Take a peek at the links I sent for gram requirements per kg of body weight.

You are not stupid. Take it from one who's been there.  And still is way too often.

Nancy C in NH
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Re: clarification on salt for the summer

beverly meyer
 

I'm sorry to be confused on salt, sweating and anhydrosis.
I have never seen my pony or donkey sweat.
So sweating is bad - a sign of Cushings, right? - and not sweating is bad too.
So what's the balance in a non-working horse?
Secondly, after reading a dozen posts, salt recommendations are anywhere from 1 tsp. to 6 Tablespoons. I see your current suggestion of 4Tb.
So, If she is not sweating, now or ever, should I give that much right away and forever daily?
Do I also need One AC??
She gets no work and is under trees.
Thanks so much!! I feel so stupid!
Beverly 5/14
Ginger

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