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Re: Laminitis related issue?

Maggie
 

Hi Kelly,

GREAT job on your signature!  :) 

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC Primary Response
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory4/files/maggie%20in%20virginia/
shawnee hoof pics

taxwizardsmel@...
 

I posted Shawnee's hoof pics and xrays in a new folder under photos. I called it ShawneeMelanie

Lavinia...the link you gave me would not let me in. It kept saying that I need to be a member.

I am waiting for bloodwork on Shawnee to come back. I do not know how to post it. any advice would be great

thank you for your help

Melanie and Shawnee Aug 2013 Oregon
Re: Trying to complete a new case history

janieclougher@...
 

Hi, Sue, and welcome to the list. I have sent you an Invite to EC History 8.  You will have to join, but it only takes a moment.  Hopefully, once you are a member of that history site, you will be able to download, complete and then upload your case history.Jaini (BSc, BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy and now EddyBC09ECIR  mod/supporthttp://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory/files/Jaini%20Clougher%2C%20Smithers%20BC/

 
Trying to complete a new case history

Susan Davis
 

Have downloaded the Equine History and Info form and cannot get to a format that will

allow me to complete it.

Help please?

Sue Davis
Re: Help Needed - Long

valsbouquet
 

Most of my posts are taking forever to show up here. Is it just my luck or is that the way it is here now?

>You can order some 0.5 mg capsules, and we can tell you exactly how >many of the 2.5, .25 and .5 mg caps to give at each dose.  Or, if you want to >spend a bit more money, you can order the exact dose for the decreasing >dose.

Thank you, Jaini.

Regarding the Pergolide, which option would be less risky to Misty? IF it's option #2, would you please clarify/break this down for me? I would like to order what I need for her today. Also, which has been proven to work better for the horse, giving it AM or PM?

I would very much appreciate any knowledgeable input regarding her current X-rays AND how to control her pain while addressing her Cushing's/IR issues. She is needing the Banamine every day and my Vet suggested using Previcox instead and I already have some for our dog. He told me to give her 1/4 of a 227 mg tablet once a day. Of course, I'm nervous about doing it since she has never had it before so may I please get your input regarding this as well?

Thank you all again so much and thank you, Lavinia for posting Misty's  Radiographs. (I have TONS more where those came from) 

Kris & Misty

Central Ohio

Oct 2002
Re: WAS: New Member From Colorado, NOW: Abcess Question

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Suzanne,

Choose the bundled ACTH/Insulin/Leptin test then add serum Glucose as a separate test. It is done by a different part of the lab so needs to be specifically added.
Ah yes, trimming. Another function that Neo has made into an enormous pain. When the reply box opens, there is a small note in the bottom left corner that says "show message history". Click on it and the post you are replying to appears below where you are typing your reply. Once you have your reply finished, highlight all the excess material and then delete it. Sometimes, if there is a link in the text you are trying to highlight, Yahoo will delete your entire post when your cursor goes over the link and send you back to square one. Very helpful - NOT!!
Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team
Re: Is this sole penetration????

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Deb,

That's OK : )  We've all had those moments.

Better safe than sorry.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team
Re: Help Needed - Long

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Kris,

I have created an album with the latest xrays in it in the Photos section of ECHistory8, titled Mist Folz:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/419209585

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team
Re: Competing FEI USEF Drug Rule Pergolide

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I really can't answer your question because there is no data from similar experiences to help with the answer. I can tell you that severe negative effects from stopping pergolide (i.e. laminitis) usually don't appear until after about 2 weeks of no drug but for things like personality or energy changes I just don't know.Eleanor in PAwww.drkellon.comEC Co-ownerFeb 2001
Re: Equimune I.V.-

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

As I'm sure you were told, this is a nonspecific immunostimulant - like the adjuvants in vaccines. As such, there is a risk of exaggerated inflammatory response in a PPID/IR horse.I'm not familiar with the use of this product systemically to treat sarcoids.  The usual use is to inject it directly into the growth.  When that is done it presumably acts like a vaccine adjuvant to stimulate reaction specifically to the sarcoid proteins with a 50 to 80% success rate.That said, the fact I'm not familiar with it and it's not reported in the literature doesn't mean that your vet hasn't had good results using it systemically.  You should talk to your vet about their experience in general and your specific case.Eleanor in PAwww.drkellon.comEC Co-ownerFeb 2001
Re: WAS: New Member From Colorado, NOW: Abcess Question

Suzanne Mansolilli
 

Thanks for clarifying, Lavinia.

Regarding the blood test, in reviewing Cornell's current Test and Fee Schedule, which tests should I request?  I was originally advised by Mandy to get "ACTH, Insulin/Glucose/Leptin".  However, I see ACTH bundled with Insulin and Leptin. Does this include Glucose, or do I choose that as a separate test?  

Here's the link to their Test and Fee Schedule:


Please advise!

Thnx,
PS any help on "trimming" your above reply to me would be appreciated. When I try to delete parts of your message, my whole post gets deleted.  Step-by-step instructions are what I need, please.

 
Re: Is this sole penetration????

Deb Funderburk <hawkhilldeb@...>
 

Thanks, Lavinia. Yes, that is the crack I was concerned about. I was hoping it was just old sole, but wasn't sure he had enough sole to flake off. I panicked, could you tell?

Deb and Cory in NC
July 2012
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Deb%20Funderburk%20in%20NC/
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory5/photos/albums/1275105710
Surpass ok to give with MoveEase?

lauramollrich
 

P has C5-6-7 arthritis that we treat with MoveEase and long and low stretchy trot/canter when it's bothering him.   Would it be save to put a 5" ribbon of Surpass as prescribed on the box on those facets?  My vet doesn't know about MoveEase so I need help from the group.  My trainer and I only want to do it before a show.


Laura M in CA

1/2012

ECHistory5
Equimune I.V.-

takarri@...
 

Has anyone had any experience with using Equimune I.V.on their PPID/IR horses.

Equimune I.V. for Animal Use - Drugs.com



I’ve been given a free sample to use on Spur, 30yr old Appy  PPID/IR, for his mixed sarcoids- having just had a large  lump removed via banding. I have a niggling feeling that I shouldn't go ahead- though I can’t justify why. Would appreciate any input.


Pauline

Jack & Spur

Sth West Vic

Australia Aug 07

http://tinyurl.com/7qbdyas

 

'Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible.' ~ St. Francis of Assisi
Re: Help Needed - Long

janieclougher@...
 

Hi, Kris - Knowing the breakdown of your pergolide capsules will certainly make life much easier for you!  Now, there are 2 choices.  You can order some 0.5 mg capsules, and we can tell you exactly how many of the 2.5, .25 and .5 mg caps to give at each dose.  Or, if you want to spend a bit more money, you can order the exact dose for the decreasing dose.  The dispensing fee is usually 10 to 15 dollars; so that would be an additional 30 to 45 dollars on top of the drug cost.

Also, let us know whether you want to eventually give the daily dose in the morning or evening.

Regarding the APF:  the usual APF dose is 8 mg.  10 mg is reasonable during changes of pergolide dosage. What you are looking for is the LACK of the Pergolide Veil - which is to say, Misty won't go off her food, look spacey, or appear lethargic.  I would stay at 10 mls APF until at least 2 weeks after reaching your target dose of 5.5 mg of pergolide (once daily). Then decrease the APF over a period of a week til you are back at 4 mls. If Misty then looks like she has less zest for life, increase to 8 mls.

Lavinia has given you advice that is right on the money: get the ACTH under control first and foremost.  After getting the pergolide dose switched to once daily, spend your next wee bit of disposable income on ACTH testing.   Then think about Botox. Botox is out of my area of experience, but there are people on the list that can help you with that.  BUT, ACTH control first.

Jaini (BSc, BVSc),Merlin,Maggie,Gypsy and now Eddy
BC09
ECIR  mod/support

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory/files/Jaini%20Clougher%2C%20Smithers%20BC/

 
Re: Help Needed - Long

valsbouquet
 

Thank you, Jaini. May I ask why I would be giving her 10 mls of APF a day and what response I would be looking for? I typically give her 4 mls daily but I do raise it to 7mls when the weather is very hot & humid, which most often (some how?) prevents her from becoming over heated.


Regarding the Pergolide, I am sure that if I weren't so exhausted and totally overwhelmed by all of this on top of everything else on my plate, your directions for switching her Pergolide to once daily wouldn't seem so impossible for me to comprehend and to carry out without the fear of totally screwing it up.

 I currently have 2.5 mg capsules and I also have 0.25 mg capsules.

Could I possibly order a different dose to go with what I already have if needed and make the change without the water & syringe method?

 - I make a small nest of BP in a Dutch oven pan and I empty the capsule(s) into a little hole, then I cover it up with more BP and feed it to her first. She gobbles it up and licks the pan clean before getting the rest of her meal.


The most current labs that I shared are a year old so we don't know her current status. Should I get blood work done now - before any changes, or after I switch her Pergolide to once a day to see where we are before raising the dose any further?


Where can I get more info about the botox injections for the contracted tendons and about the muscle work to facilitate her ability to lower her heels? If it is in the files here, I may not be able to open them either.

I never use to have so many problems opening files on this list before as I am right now, when I need them the most.


Thanks again for your guidance & direction.


Kris & Misty

Central Ohio

Oct 2002
To Dr. Kellon

martha williams
 

Dear Dr. Kellon,
     This is to let you know that
I just sent to you a number
of (older) venograms and radiographs.  Also sent one
longer email and one shorter one.
I may have messed up and sent
twice or not at all.
      So very sorry for my confusion.
Many thanks for the email of
today.
    Williams/Dubrow. NYC. '08
.
Re: Help Needed - Long

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Kris,


Getting Misty's ACTH into the normal range should be a priority right now. That uncontrolled PPID could be the driving force behind all the issues she is having. Uncontrolled PPID will cause tendon issues and a host of other problems as well. Jaini has given you a great guide for getting your perglide dose higher to work toward getting that ACTH under control.


Have you considered botox injections for the contracted tendons? Also, a lot of muscle work to facilitate her ability to lower her heels. The demineralization of the coffin bone is likely due to the excessive pressure being placed upon it from the heels being too high.


If she is in a chronic state of pain then it shouldn't really skew ACTH results. Insulin/glucose may be a bit affected but you still need to know where they are so you can make management decisions based on facts rather than guesswork.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team
Re: Help Needed - Long

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Kris,


Send me whatever xrays you have. Both sets are helpful as we can see what changes have occurred from the first to the last. Current hoof pics would be great too.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and peanut

Jan 05,RI

EC Support Team
Re: Competing FEI USEF Drug Rule Pergolide

Caryn Darmer
 

Dr Kellon: Now saw if I was to show Friday and Sat and did not feed my horse his 1mg Prascend for two consecutive days...do you think I would see a difference? Or should I stick to the show Friday, give him his Prascend after my ride, give him the day off Sat. and then show again Sun and give him his Pracend after I ride. Thanks!

Also, I have called the USEF Drug Hotline and they unfortunately didn't have much to tell me besides the fact that I need 24hours without Prascend before I ride. Maybe Ill try calling again and see if they have anything different to say. 
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