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Soaking hay

thelittlebarnonwhiteoakfarm@...
 

Hello to anyone who has to soak their hay.    I'm doing it for the first time and wondering  if it's normal for the water to be like a rust/pinky color after the hay has been soaked?   Is that the sugar leaching out or something else?

Thank you,

Susan in CT
7-2012


Re: Pergolide to give away

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Diane,

I'm so sorry for your loss. Thanks you for thinking of others at this difficult time.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team



Re: pictures

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Karen,

To add photos to your album first open the album. Then click on the purple icon on the upper right side of the screen "Add Photos". A box will come up titled Add Photos. Click on the small box with the arrow in it "add photos", which will open a screen to your computer. Find the pics on your computer, click on them and then hit "open". This will send them to the album. Once they have uploaded, click Post Photos in the purple box and they will be added to the album.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team



Re: ACTH results

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Maureen,

Is she sweating? If not, she could be anhidrotic and overheating so that could lead to the wobbly walk.


How much loose, plain salt is she getting in her daily feed? With the heat she will have an increased need for it to supplement losses in sweat and to encourage drinking so she doesn't get dehydrated.


Cold hosing and fans are good.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team





Re: ACTH results

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Maureen,

Yes, you can send it to me.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team




Re: Stabile 1 or 1 plus for weight gain in cushing horse?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Weird. Yahoo apparently picked up another subject line.\The 20 ppm was in reference to the upper limit for selenium on a hay analysis.


Re: Pergolide to give away

Cindy McGinley
 

I'm so sorry for your loss, Diane.


- Cindy (with Alf's Entourage) in Central NY
ECIR Support
May 2006
www.blackhorseconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Schneider dianeschneider1@... [EquineCushings]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:52 AM
To: equinecushings@...
Subject: [EquineCushings] Pergolide to give away

My PPID horse, Rocky, had to be put down as a result of colic. I have
52, 2mg Pergolide capsules from Pet Health pharmacy that I will send to
someone who can use them.

Diane


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Pergolide to give away

Diane Schneider
 

My PPID horse, Rocky, had to be put down as a result of colic. I have 52, 2mg Pergolide capsules from Pet Health pharmacy that I will send to someone who can use them.

Diane


Re: pictures

kansteen5545@...
 

Hi Maggie -
I now have the hoof pics in a folder in my documents. Now how do I get them into the photo section of ECH8? I have made a New Album in ECH8 and have named it. When I click on "add photos" it brings up the choices on my computer - then I find the pictures in my "New Folder" - but I can't figure out how to get them from my computer to the ECH8 folder. The only option I see is to send them to recipient. Or - should I click on "post photos"?
Karen
Scarborough,ME
May 2014


Re: Stormy - need advice on perg. dose, please

Bonnie
 

Hi Teri,
You seem to be doing very well at monitoring signs. The test results have conformed your observations. Yes, a vet who is willing to prescribe higher dose as needed is a treasure.
LeeAnne helped me out greatly when I panicked over the thought of Lad's new 24 mg prescription. She also taught me an easy method of gradually moving the dose upward. She sent me some empty capsules. I would take a pergolide capsule, puncture the end carefully with a darning needle, and gently, carefully squeeze some of the powder into an opened empty capsule. In this way I was able to make up 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 dose capsules to add to the 12 mg capsules I already had. By the time I got Lad up to two full 12 mg capsules, the new 24 mg capsules had arrived. This was easier for me than dissolving the powder in water and syringing it in.

Perhaps you are wondering, as I am, whether to retest ACTH in September or October. I would like to hear from the experts on this question.

Bonnie Ivey, Ontario 12/08


Re: Stabile 1 or 1 plus for weight gain in cushing horse?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

It depends on her size and what else she is eating but the upper limit for chronic toxicity is about 20 ppm.Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: ACTH results

EquusSavvy@...
 

Her Vet will call me tomorrow. McK is doing ok... She walks without limping or overt touchiness barefoot with every 4 wk trims. The heat is depleting every ounce of energy in her. Yesterday on the way back from her two hour pasture time. She actually got a touch wobbly. Cold showered her immediately. Stalls and fans through this 100 degree weather stretch. I tried to up load the Cornell report... May I send it to one of your emails? 
Maureen and McKenna
May 12 2014 Austin TX


Re: What is too much Selenium in Hay?

larkstabatha
 

Hi...

The hay testing results from EquiAnalytical show Selenium as PPM, so my question is .. what is too high a level as expressed in these terms (parts per million) if I feed my mare 15 lbs of hay per day.

Thanks very much,

Sally in N. AZ

April 2013


Re: Stormy - need advice on perg. dose, please

Teri
 

LeeAnn, Tina, Nancy and Bonnie,
First of all thank you all for your thoughtful replies...they were appreciated very much.   It's taken me a while to post a reply.  I've been trying to wrap my mind around this...kinda like when I first found this group.  Plus I wanted to see how Stormy was reacting to her higher doses first.   And, I knew this would be long... sorry! 
Nancy...You asked if I got a 30 days supply of compounded caps and if I store them in the door of the frig.   Yes, I do.    I was surprised and pleased when my vet asked me the same thing!   He IS listening!  YAY! He also asked what is the highest dose on the list.  I plan to send him a copy of the data base.   He said he couldn't believe it when Stormy hit 8 mgs...much less 20!  (But like you said, Lee Ann..he has the lab results to prove that she needs it) When I asked him to come do the ACTH, I told him I was sure by her symptoms that her ACTH was too high.   When he got the results (52,9 Cornell) he said "You were right!"  He couldn't believe it was that high on 20mgs perg. 
LeeAnn and Tina...It was so good to hear from both of you.  Knowing that you've been through the same thing really helps.   I kept hearing Dr. Kellon's advice running through my head...that the correct dose is whatever controls the ACTH...but when Stormy hit 20mgs I started to get scared!    Plus, she's a tiny pony!  (I did review the data base...and LeeAnn...your CH on Dawn is a work of art!  Kudos!!!  I didn't get around to reading Rio's)
Bonnie...sounds like you and Lad are headed for the top of the list, too!   
So here's where we're at.  As of today, I've increased her to 27mgs.   I've been increasing by 1mg about every other day.  I increase...better...next day ..not....and repeat.   After reading your post about increasing Dawn by 3 or even 5 mgs at a time, LeeAnn...I started thinking.  (Dangerous! ha!)   My math skills are horrible so this was very painful for me.  :-)   And the more knowledgeable people out there...please correct me if this thinking or my math is wrong.    If your horse is on 1mg perg.  (which a lot of horses are on at the beginning) and you increase by 1 mg (also common) you are essentially DOUBLING their dose.  So we divide the dose by 1/4 and increase .25 mgs every 3 days.    So...for those at high doses....say 20mgs...if you increased by 1/4 the total amount...that would be 5 mgs.  Right?    Stormy has gotten to the point that inc. by 1 mg, barely makes a difference in her symptoms.    So tonight I bumped it up by 3 mgs.   Gulp! :-)     I still feel like I am chasing the ACTH by adding 1mg at a time...and will never get ahead of the rise unless I bump the dose up more.  I felt the same way last fall when we went from 6.5 mgs in July to 14 mgs in Nov.   I followed my gut feeling as I increased her dose and her ACTH was 17.3 in Nov...her best ever!   (At that point the 1mg  did make a noticeable difference.)    Gosh, I just realized... that means I DID double her dose last fall!    Sure hope I don't need to do that this year!  YIKES! 
I too am very thankful to have a vet who listens to me and to the advice of this group.   He has gone along with the increase in dose with very little fuss...I think because Stormy's lab results prove that she needs it.
I guess I will just keep listening to what Stormy tells me she needs, like I've done before, and then test again if I'm uncertain?   I think I am pretty in tune with her at this point.    Am I on the right track?
Thanks again!
Teri and Stormy
IN 2012
I just tried to add the link to Stormy's CH and Yahoo tells me ECHistory5 is closed to NEW case histories, but her's is NOT new.    ?????   Probably good ole neo again!    I just remembered...I didn't delete her old CH when I updated it...could that be it?  

 


Re: Shawnee Labs

 

Hi Melanie,
Sorry to hear you're going through this. Your hay in 2013 had high iron and this year iron was excessive. Iron overload could have a role in this. Have you considered testing him for iron overload? I'm going to make some adjustments to his current diet and will send those to you via email.
Kathleen (KFG in KCMO)
Director, ECIR, Inc.
Missouri, USA
December 2005


Re: G:I

Nancy Piper
 

I am starting to think I am missing a page of the blood test my veterinarian sent me. She had an ACTH Endogenous Level, showing she was in range.

I will post it to the ECH8 as soon as I figure it all out. I will also call my vet tomorrow to see if I'm missing a page.

Thanks,

Nancy and Jetta

July 2014

Missouri





What kind of tests were run? Usually, the terms glucose and insulin are written out in full. Insulin doesn't get tested on the standard CBC and Chem Profile but glucose is included.





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Re: G:I

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Nancy,

What kind of tests were run? Usually, the terms glucose and insulin are written out in full. Insulin doesn't get tested on the standard CBC and Chem Profile but glucose is included.

Do you have a copy of the actual test results? If so, you can post the entire thing in the files section of ECHistory8 and we can take a look for you.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and PeanutJan 05, RI

EC Support Team


Re: New Kellon Blog

Susie Faver <favers4@...>
 

Thank you for this!

Wishing you happiness, wellness and success always,

Susie

"Half way measures get half way results."
Dr. Eleanor Kellon

On Aug 18, 2014, at 8:41 PM, "threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings]" <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

 

Just wanted to give you all heads up that Dr Kellon has a new blog site:What Really Causes Seasonal Laminitis?

 

Nancy C in NHECIR Moderator 2003Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.www.ECIRhorse.orgCheck out the FACTS on Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroupSupport the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Grouphttp://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc


New Kellon Blog

Nancy C
 

Just wanted to give you all heads up that Dr Kellon has a new blog site:What Really Causes Seasonal Laminitis?

 

Nancy C in NHECIR Moderator 2003Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot.www.ECIRhorse.orgCheck out the FACTS on Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroupSupport the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Grouphttp://ecirhorse.org/index.php/equine-cushing-s-and-insulin-resistance-group-inc


Re: Iron in Premium Magnesium Oxide (Mg 60%)?

 

Hi, Eva, I haven't tested it, but I've been using it for half a year to a year. It is a fine,  pure white powder. IMO testing would be a waste of time.
Understanding just enough chemistry to be dangerous, magnesium oxide, MgO, has the molar mass of  40.3. The molar mass of Mg is 24.3 (See that fount of all knowledge, Wikipedia, the the atomic weight). The molar mass of oxygen is 15.9999. (Ibid.) To calculate the percentage Mg, divide  24.3 by 40.3 = .603 or 60.3%.  The remaining material is oxygen: 15.9999/40.3= 0.397 or 39.7%
 
There's no room in that formula for contaminants. My guess is that it's pharmaceutical grade. In reality, there are probably some contaminants in minute quantities, as nothing in life is pure.
Cass for Satra
Sonoma County, Calif
Oct 12
---In EquineCushings@..., <gentpony@...> wrote :

HorseTech offers a Premium Magnesium Oxide (Mg 60%).  Has anyone analyzed a sample for its iron level?

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