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Cory's frog
Deb Funderburk <hawkhilldeb@...>
Hi group-- Cory is still quite painful, even after raising his pergolide dose to 7 mg and putting him on Metformin and Alcar. I have gotten Phytoquench but haven't been able to get any of it into him as of yet. He is unwilling to stand on one foot while I work on the other and so yesterday I gave him Bute, hoping to be able to trim today and in fact, he was able to let me pick his feet up a little. I have worked on him all morning and feel that I have made some progress on the left front, which seems to be the most painful. (It is harder for him to stand on it for me to do the right.)
When I raised the right front and brushed off the shavings, I was shocked to find that the frog had disappeared overnight. Well, it is still there, of course, but a thick layer of it peeled off (and I in fact found it in the shavings) and I feel like I am looking into a well when I peer down into the recess it left. I really don't know what this means, because the mantra I have been chanting for the last few days is Linda's statement that the heels "definitely need to come down to at least be even with the surface of the frog". The remaining frog isn't mushy or smelly like it is thrushy and this is his least painful foot. The sole also seems to be flaking off a little, but isn't soft. I did manage to lower his right heel a little and also brought the toe back some, but it is a struggle while he is so unwilling to stand on the left. I uploaded some pictures, and hope I can take more this afternoon, after we both rest. Would love to have some feedback about the frog and how the trim on the left is going, if you can tell anything from the few pictures. I had planned on having more x-rays made later on in the winter, but perhaps it would be more useful to do it now? Also, could use some suggestions about getting the Phytoquench into him. Deb and Cory in NC July 2012 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Deb%20Funderburk%20in%20NC/ https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory5/photos/albums/1275105710
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Re: Hay...Girl! www.haygirl.ca precioushaygirl@gmail.com
Precious Hay Girl
Thanks for the information. Most of the info you have provided is how I assist my clients. The lab does breakdown the three components WSC ESC Starch. New to our line is the Equine Complete analysis that takes the core sample further to help with the mineral balancing.
I share your group on my FB page to assist others....I am not your typical hay seller, rather I like to see myself helping and solving a problem, but mostly I am here for support.
I will pull your chart up for further information.
Thank you again.
Hay...Girl!
Pam Janssen
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Trouble finding your way around the ECIR outreach groups?
There’s so much info here, the links below can help you negotiate the learning
curve and find background to questions and issues: ** DDT+E - Diagnosis, Diet, Trim plus Exercise - What is it? http://www.ecirhorse.com/index.php/ddt-overview Once at the above page, click on the list to the left for even more detail. ** What blood testing do I need for diagnosis? http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview/ddt-diagnosis ** How to get help with Mineral Balancing http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/files/7%20Help%20with%20Miner\ al%20Balancing/ ** Table of Contents - searchable document for all the files in three ECIR Group lists http://tinyurl.com/6lsvppq ** Archived Messages - How to Search this treasure trove of information and history in the NEW NEO format http://tinyurl.com/mntpk67 ** Moving OT Topic to sister or related lists http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/message/167167 ** Current Case History filing cabinet accepting new member info http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory8/info Like us on Facebook! *** Donate to the ECIR Group Inc. nonprofit! Owners, Moderators & Primary Response Teams of the Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Yahoo group
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Prascend Experiences and Reporting to the FDA
*** Prascend Experiences Anxiety is running high over the claim that 1 to 3 mg of Prascend (average size horse) will work as well as any dose of compounded pergolide. The value of this group lies heavily in members reporting their experiences. If you have any information to share about Prascend, either dosage related or side effects, good or bad, please send your story to one of the ECIR Group moderators: Lorna Cane <briars@...> Jaini Clougher <merlin5clougher@...> Nancy Collins <threecatfarm@...>. Eleanor Kellon VMD <drkellon@...> Your file will be uploaded to the Prascend Experiences File. If you prefer to not have your name used, the moderators will protect your identity. All members may read about fellow member experiences here *** Reporting Adverse Reactions and Ineffective Drugs or Supplements to the FDA Failure to respond to the recommended dose is an adverse event that should be reported to FDA as a therapeutic failure. Evidence of failure to respond can be comprised of observation of clinical signs (lack of change in symptoms) or through blood work. Information on how to contact the FDA may be found here. <http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/files/%201%20A%20a%20Reporting%20to%20the%20FDA/> Reports become part of the permanent Adverse Drug Experience records. Owners, Moderators & Primary Response Teams of the Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Yahoo group
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Re: Hay...Girl! www.haygirl.ca precioushaygirl@gmail.com
francky@...
thanks Nancy, found the charts on FB Sylvie Francoeur, Canada 2009
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Re: Gift of pergoiled
Hi Sharon
Recommendations form here sre to use compound pergolide in caps 30 days at a time, stored in teh door of a fridge. I would not count on the 2012 pergolide to be effective. At 4 mg you are already above what BI calls the effective dose. (3 mg) Hope you will shrae withus your test results. See next post on reporting Prascend Experiences. Hope you can pretty please add your date of joining the group (an 2005) and your general location to your signature. Thanks in advance for your contribution and help! Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot. www.ECIRhorse.org Check out the FACTS on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.
---In EquineCushings@..., <naturalhoofcare@...> wrote : Hello all
I know it's a holiday but if I could get a quick answer I really would appreciate it.
I have a offer of a gift of some compounded pergoiled from 2012.
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Hi Pauline,
You can unsub by going to the Membership button at top right of web page. Click on Edit,and scroll down to Leave Group. If you would like to stay but can't bear all the Individual messages,just edit your membership to Digest Format. Hope this helps. Lorna
in Ontario,Canada https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup Support the ECIR Group while you shop. It's easy. http://www.iGive.com/EquineCushingsandInsulinResistanceGroupInc
---In EquineCushings@..., <pollyelms@...> wrote : Please remove my details from this group
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Re: Gift of pergoiled
Sandra Hodge
Hello, My name is Sandra Hall, ERICK..OK....I would love the Pergolide for my gelding. Please reply to cuttinaussie@...
On Monday, September 1, 2014 8:48 AM, "naturalhoofcare@... [EquineCushings]" wrote: Hello all
I know it's a holiday but if I could get a quick answer I really would appreciate it.
I have a offer of a gift of some compounded pergoiled from 2012. Sealed and stored in a cool dark place. I use pacasend now and as I am sure you all know is expensive. Waiting blood work now to see is the 4mg is controlling or will have to increase.
My question, is the compounded medicine still effective or stable?
Thanks very much!
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Gift of pergoiled
Sharon Manning
Hello all
I know it's a holiday but if I could get a quick answer I really would appreciate it.
I have a offer of a gift of some compounded pergoiled from 2012. Sealed and stored in a cool dark place. I use pacasend now and as I am sure you all know is expensive. Waiting blood work now to see is the 4mg is controlling or will have to increase.
My question, is the compounded medicine still effective or stable?
Thanks very much!
SharonM
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Re: Help with a search for "How to create a dry lot" Info
Hi Bonnie,
Go to our sister group here https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHorsekeeping/conversations/messages There is a ton of information for you. You may have to join,as you did here,if you are not a member already.
Lorna
in Ontario,Canada ECIR Moderator 2002 https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup Support the ECIR Group while you shop. It's easy. http://www.iGive.com/EquineCushingsandInsulinResistanceGroupInc
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Re: Hay...Girl! www.haygirl.ca precioushaygirl@gmail.com
Hi Sylvie
Look for pots on ECIR Facebook page dated 08.01.14 and 08.02.14. Link to page below. I'm hoping I can sweet talk Kathleen into putting them here too because, even though Yahoo NEO is a pain, finding stuff on FB is worse, IME. Kat, if you see this and can send to me I will upload here. Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot. www.ECIRhorse.org Check out the FACTS on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.
---In EquineCushings@..., <sylvie_francoeur@...> wrote : can someone help me find the ESC/WSC Charts Kathleen mentioned putting on the ECIR Facebook page. thanks Sylvie Francoeur, Canada 2009
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Monty's lab results
Suzanne Mansolilli
Hi Group, I just posted Monty's lab results from Cornell. Vet calculated G:I ratio at 1.46 and RISQI at 0.129 indicating uncompromised IR which I had suspected. I've already recieved your advice on managing diet. He's sound enough to return to hand-walking 30 min/day. My question concerns the ACTH baseline at 461 pg/ml . Vet prescribed 1mg/day Prascend and re-testing for ACTH in 4-6 weeks. What do you think? She didn't mention anything about the Leptin result and how it ties into everything else. I'd appreciate your thoughts. Thanks, SuzanneM and Monty Western Colorado -- July, 2014 Case History: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/SuzanneM/
Photos: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/photos/albums/1794323561
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Help with a search for "How to create a dry lot" Info
Livenwpeeps
I tried to do a search on how to create a dry lot but came up with hundreds of posts but could not find what I am looking for. We now only have one horse - Doc - who is currently in a small dry lot. We feel that since we don't want to get another horse at this point that the bigger pasture is just going to waste so why not make it into a dry lot so Doc could enjoy. It's about an acre and a half with a mix of grass and weeds. Can we use round up to kill everything? Is there a better product or method to use? Once the grass/weeds all turn brown and die how do we remove that? Do we need to disc it under? If someone could point me in the right direction that would be great!! Bonnie & Doc Watson Virginia, USA July 2013 (sorry - can't remember how to post to my history)
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Soaking hay
Raelene Blakely <rb333@...>
Hopefully someone can help me with this as my pony has come down with laminitis. I feed him his last hay at around 9pm at night. How long can the hay be left wrung out from being soaked before being fed. I’d like to have it all ready soaked and drained prior to 9pm but am not sure if it were drained at around 4pm if the hay would be safe to feed at 9pm. The evening temperature is around 10 to 15 degrees celcius. Thanks for any advice. Kind regards, Raelene.
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Re: Hay...Girl! www.haygirl.ca precioushaygirl@gmail.com
sylvie_francoeur@...
can someone help me find the ESC/WSC Charts Kathleen mentioned putting on the ECIR Facebook page. thanks Sylvie Francoeur, Canada 2009
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Re: Baron and Prascend
Hi Diana, Hit Send too quickly. Meant to ask you to sign your messages,and add your location,and the date you joined the group when you post again. Lorna
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Re: Baron and Prascend
Hi Diana, >I no longer use either on my two Cushings ponies since discovering Lamalert Cushings Formula. All the benefits with none of side affects. After all Prascend is a depressant which was rubbish for a pony with Cushings related depression. Paddy now happier and more alert. I've gone to their marketing site. They list data from human studies - in a manner of speaking- but nothing about equine studies.I've written asking for their equine studies. When you say "all the benefits" do you mean blood work returning to safe range,as well as clinical symptoms? We have found here that Vitex Agnus-Castus (Chastertree Berry),which is Lamalert Cushings, can improve clinical symptoms for some horses. Blood work, however, does not show improvement/correction of ACTH numbers,bringing them back into safe range. How long have you been using only this product,and how much do you feed at a time.It appears to be very pricey to me,depending on the dosing suggestions.Apologies for the way NEO screws up my intended format. Lorna
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Re: Baron and Prascend
Diana Davies
Basically Pergolide is a drug produced for humans but can be used for horses with Cushings etc. Here in the UK Pergolide was regularly used for this purpose but now that Prascend has been developed vets can no longer prescribe the human version which is a shame because it was much cheaper.
I no longer use either on my two Cushings ponies since discovering Lamalert Cushings Formula. All the benefits with none of side affects. After all Prascend is a depressant which was rubbish for a pony with Cushings related depression. Paddy now happier and more alert.
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