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Re: Feed balancing spreadsheet

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Heather,


Sorry but the spreadsheets have been removed after it was found that they were being used incorrectly, resulting in sometimes dangerous interpretations of the data they provided.


If you need help with your horse's die, there is a list of people who are able to assist in this file in the folder Getting Help Mineral Balancing Help:


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/7%20Help%20with%20Mineral%20Balancing/


Would also ask that you please add your general location and year of joining to your signature as this makes it much more helpful for all of us. Appreciate your help with this.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team




Feed balancing spreadsheet

Heather Leonard
 

A friend of mine told me that this group has a spreadsheet that she downloaded that allowed her to input what she was feeding her horse and it showed her if her diet plan was balanced or not.  Is this spreadsheet still in the files section?  I haven't been able to find it.  If anyone could point me in the right direction, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!


Heather


Re: Pergolide Prescription

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Wallene,


Great that you can get the compounded perg - it makes titrating onto the dose so much easier. Many of us use Pet Health Pharmacy:


http://www.pethealthpharmacy.com/


Because he is footsore now and this is the first time ever I would agree that giving the pergolide a try is a smart move. A 1mg dose in capsule form, given once daily, would seem reasonable. Titrating up would be the best bet using .25mg increments and raising the dose every 4 days. See if your vet will give you a script for .25mg and for the 1mg doses. Get (12) .25mg caps and then 30 days of the 1mg, store in the door of the fridge.


APF is an adaptogen manufactured by Auburn Labs that can help with the 'pergolide veil" symptoms. Some horses get the veil, others do not. It is a temporary effect and tapering onto the drug will usually avoid it. None of my boys have ever had veil effects.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team



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Re: Error: Discription could not process this "GET" request

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Bonnie,


You need to double click on the url. That will allow you to then delete single words instead of the entire url.


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team

>>>>>>>

When I get the error message, The method of removing the word "pets" from the url does not work. When I put the cursor on the url the whole thing gets highlighted so it cannot be edited, as it disappears.

I tried highlighting it and replacing it just with "neo". That brings up a list below it of urls that I have visited (just 3) and one of them is the message page for this list. I click on it and shazam! here I am. That might work for some folks.


Re: Error: Discription could not process this "GET" request

Bonnie
 

When I get the error message, The method of removing the word "pets" from the url does not work. When I put the cursor on the url the whole thing gets highlighted so it cannot be edited, as it disappears.

I tried highlighting it and replacing it just with "neo". That brings up a list below it of urls that I have visited (just 3) and one of them is the message page for this list. I click on it and shazam! here I am. That might work for some folks.

Bonnie Ivey, Ontario 12/08


Re: Pergolide Prescription

Lorna Cane
 

Third try.
Thanks NEO!

Wallene ,lots of folks here like Pet Health Pharmacy:


You want the capsule product.

I can't speak to the APF as none of my boys has had the 'veil'.

 

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Re: Pergolide Prescription

 

Thanks LeeAnn,

The links you sent don't work on my end, and when I select More, the option for database is grey so I can't select it.  When I try to search the table of contents I get a sad face screen.

Even sadder, I'm very tech savvy and work providing software support to poor souls who have NO computer experience lol.

I'm going to just order from thrivingpets.com so I can get this moving.

However, now his question is liquid, powder, or capsules?

And, while we're at it, I've seen the APF is recommended as well?

When I start, should I start at less than 1mg and slowly bring him up?

Any advice is greatly appreciated,

Wallene and Travis in NC
September 2012


Re: Pergolide Prescription

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Rotten Neo (may it be launched into a black hole) clipped my previous message. Here it is in full.  Also want to add that if the links don't work,  take out the word "pets." from the link in the url field when you get a message saying the link Error message.  

Hi Wallene,
If you use the ECIR Files Table of Contents and search for "pharmac" there are nine hits.  One of those hits brings you to this section:
Also See:
EC/IR Group Links Section for Pergolide Sources tinyurl.com/yjfykhf
EC/IR Group Database Section for Pergolide Sources, Compounding Pharmacies tinyurl.com/yg4y38b 
These do not show up in a Yahoo search of the files as they are in the database and links section of the group where members can add to the list anytime.  


-LeeAnne, 03/04

Newmarket, Ontario

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Re: Error: Discription could not process this "GET" request

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Hi again Sue
It is good you posted that problem.  I use Daily Digest and Message format for Conversations on the website.  Other members might be having your problem too so your posting about it might help others to use Messages to follow conversations better.  
What a horror Neo is.  >:-(

-LeeAnne, 03/04 (who has taken ages just to figure out how to get her signature in the same message font! and don't ask her how as she forgets :-/ sigh)

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Re: Pergolide Prescription

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 



I've searched the files for a list of pharmacies and can't find anything.

Any help is appreciated.

Wallene & Travis in NC
September 2012
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory6/files/Travis%20in%20NC

Hi Wallene,
If you use the ECIR Files Table of Contents and search for "pharmac" there are nine hits.  One of those hits brings you to this section:
Also See:
EC/IR Group Links Section for Pergolide Sources tinyurl.com/yjfykhf
EC/IR Group Database Section for Pergolide Sources, Compounding Pharmacies tinyurl.com/yg4y38b 
These do not show up in a Yahoo search of the files as they are in the database and links section of the group where members can add to the list anytime.  


-LeeAnne, 03/04

Newmarket, Ontario

ECIR Archivist

ECIR Files Table of Contents


Taken For Granite Art - Original Lightweight Cement Sculpture



ODTB cubes availability in PA

Deb Barnes
 


Has anyone heard of any problems getting ODTB cubes in central PA? I picked up the last 2 bags at my regular retailer who special orders them for me and he told me that there was a fire where they make these cubes and they will be unavailable for some time. I only buy 100 lbs at a time since that is all I can safely store. I feed about 8 lbs a day and that is how I give Sonny his supplements and pergolide right now. If they are unavailable for awhile, should I use beet shreds for his supplements and just feed him hay? I've never given him beet pulp so I don't know if he will eat it or not. I want to have a plan before I use this 100 lbs.



Pergolide Prescription

 

I had blood drawn and sent to Cornell recently because Travis is footsore and lethargic.

Latest test results:
Range = Normal range

Insulin 23 Range 10-20
Glucose 85 Range 71-118
ACTH 53 Range 9-35
Leptin 2.9 Range 1-4
T4 1.8 Range .8-2.4

Travis has never had ACTH out of the normal range prior to this.

Our vet is back in town and has recommended Pergolide, apparently he has another client in this group and has no problem with Pergolide as opposed to Prascend and has a great respect for Dr. Kellon and her work so he's asking me to find out her recommendation.

The question is how much, how often?  He'll place the order for me, but I need to know what to tell him.

It looks like ThrivingPets.com may be the best place? 

I've searched the files for a list of pharmacies and can't find anything.

Any help is appreciated.

Wallene & Travis in NC
September 2012
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory6/files/Travis%20in%20NC




Re: Progress/success

Carla
 

Hello Fran,
Cupcake is now 18 years young, but was diagnosed IR and Cushings in 2012, at age 16. She is a grade/Shetland pony. Once again, I am so grateful/thankful. The attached photos are of her when were posting pics of her trim and trying to figure things out...in the beginning. :-)


Carla Peters and Cupcake
Dec.12/WI

On Friday, September 5, 2014 10:50 AM, "threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings]" <EquineCushings@...> wrote:




Pictures re often put in the wrong place, ie, the FILES instead of the PHOTOS section. Sometimes they get moved. That may be why you are seeing OOPS.

That and NEO engineer issues.

See Lavinia's subsequent message re: moving Cupcake.


Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <bon.ivey@...> wrote :




Sure wanted to see Cupcake.

Bonnie Ivey, Ontario 12/08


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Is there a lower limit for ESC that is healthy?

 

My overweight IR mare Cayuse needs to lose up to 50 lbs. I just increased the amount of forage as % of body weight after she colicked while fed 1.5% of current BW.


I know from analyses I did on a different but similar hay last year that I can cut ESC in half with R/S/S. ESC dropped from 7% DM to 3.5%DM (6.4% ESC as fed -> 3.2% ESC as fed). DE dropped from 1.97 Mcal/kg -> 1.67 Mcal/kg, about 85% of unsoaked hay.


As I mentioned, this year's hay also has 7% ESC and is otherwise quite similar (CP, ADF, NDF, DE). Starch is negligible. I've been soaking about half her hay for a week. It is still well received. Soaking allowed me to bring the weight of forage up to 1.75% current BW by adding 2 - 2 ½ lbs more each day.


Are there predictable energy effects from feeding such low ESC forage? Cayuse seems a bit lethargic. That could be aftermath of the colic, the colic could have been unrelated to the forage, it could be winter coat making work less attractive etc. etc. She is not worked hard.  Total daily daily DE is a bit more than at the time of the colic, about the amount for average maintenance. The mare is hand-walked up and down hills 45 min. 4X week + about 15 minutes round pen 2X week.


Could lack of energy be a consequence of low ESC forage? Glycogen not being restored? I look to other causes if soaked hay is not a likely cause.


Thanks,


Cass for Cayuse

Sonoma County, Calif - Oct 12

CH https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/files/Cass%20in%20Calif/

Photos Body Condition https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/photos/albums/1837846198



Re: Prascend Experiences and Reporting to the FDA

Nancy C
 

Thanks Leigh

They both worked for me this morning.  I can get neither to work right now.

Ugh....to say the least.

Nancy C in NH
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---In EquineCushings@..., <equinesrfun@...> wrote :

Nancy,
Your link for reading another's experience with Prascend does not work.
Leigh


Re: Prascend Experiences and Reporting to the FDA

Leigh Jacobs
 

Nancy,
Your link for reading another's experience with Prascend does not work.
Leigh


On Monday, September 15, 2014 6:44 AM, "Nancy Collins threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings]" wrote:


 

THESE LINKS SHOULD WORK!   


Prascend Experiences and Reporting to the FDA

*** Prascend Experiences 

Anxiety is running high over the claim that 1 to 3  mg  of Prascend (average size horse) will work as well as any dose of compounded pergolide. 

The value of this group lies heavily in members reporting their experiences. 

If you have any information to share about Prascend, either dosage related or side effects, good or bad, please send your story to one of the ECIR Group moderators: 


Lorna Cane <briars@...
Jaini Clougher <merlin5clougher@...
Nancy Collins <threecatfarm@...>. 
Eleanor Kellon VMD <drkellon@...

Your file will be uploaded to the Prascend Experiences File. If you prefer to not have your name used, the moderators will protect your identity. 

All members may read about fellow member experiences here




*** Reporting Adverse Reactions and Ineffective Drugs or Supplements to the FDA  

Failure to respond to the recommended dose is an adverse event that should be reported to FDA as a therapeutic failure.  Evidence of failure to respond can be comprised of observation of clinical signs (lack of change in symptoms) or through blood work.

Information on how to contact the FDA may be found here. 


Reports become part of the permanent Adverse Drug Experience records.



Owners, Moderators & Primary Response Teams of the Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Yahoo group








Re: Suzanne/Monte

PapBallou@...
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <suzannemansolilli@...> wrote :

Thanks for the markups, Linda.  A few questions:

1. regarding the lateral x-ray of the LF, to back up the toe I understand we make a vertical cut with the rasp back to the blue line, but is it a straight line across the toe to mimic the green line from the photo of the sole? Or does it follow the radius of the hoof?  I'm guessing it's a straight cut

No.  YOu can shape the foot as you would 'normally' - horsehoe-like.  But, the rasping will be blunt for now and not a mustang roll type of trim.  

2. If it's a straight cut across from the above question, what happens to the "corners" I've created at the 2 pillars?

The main concern at this point of getting that foot realigned is to preserve hoof horn underneath in the forward half of the foot.  When one finishes a trim as usual underneath with the rasp, you make a nice, smooth shape.  For the next few trims, would not really rasp much wall off in the pillars area from underneath.  It may leave just a millimeter or two of 'height' that will help protect the leading edge of the CB for now.  The leading edge of the CB aligns with the pillars if you were to draw connecting left and right pillars.

3. Do I take away the callused sole at the toe or leave it?

I sure wouldn't.  Of course if the cup of the foot is really full of dead retained sole, a little dusting of it may be needed.  But from looking at the pix, I don't think so.  Plus, your ground looks as if it will fine tune the trim in no time!

4. How long do I leave the walls at the pillars above the live sole plane or the callused sole plane?

Just a little - a millimeter or two,  It's just a little protection/insurance.


5. In regards to the last markup of the lateral photo of the RF, after we back up the toe to the blue line, is that all or does the hoof get rasped from the top to follow the profile of the green line?

Excellent question!  No!  That's where the wall *should* be.  Thinning the wall to be where it should be is poor trim technique and can be dangerous in certain circumstances.  So, you trim the toe to where it *should* be and that helps 'guide' the wall to realign with the CB as it grows out.  

Future trims will trim back to that toe trim line point, and in 6-8 months the hoof capsule will look 'normal'.  For the immediate future you will have a new angle coming in from the coronet band as the wall attaches itself more tightly to the CB...and that old foot will eventually grow out and be trimmed off in time.  The difference in the two angles is sometimes called the healing angle.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Prascend Experiences and Reporting to the FDA

Nancy C
 


THESE LINKS SHOULD WORK!   


Prascend Experiences and Reporting to the FDA

*** Prascend Experiences 

Anxiety is running high over the claim that 1 to 3  mg  of Prascend (average size horse) will work as well as any dose of compounded pergolide. 

The value of this group lies heavily in members reporting their experiences. 

If you have any information to share about Prascend, either dosage related or side effects, good or bad, please send your story to one of the ECIR Group moderators: 


Lorna Cane <briars@...
Jaini Clougher <merlin5clougher@...
Nancy Collins <threecatfarm@...>. 
Eleanor Kellon VMD <drkellon@...

Your file will be uploaded to the Prascend Experiences File. If you prefer to not have your name used, the moderators will protect your identity. 

All members may read about fellow member experiences here




*** Reporting Adverse Reactions and Ineffective Drugs or Supplements to the FDA  

Failure to respond to the recommended dose is an adverse event that should be reported to FDA as a therapeutic failure.  Evidence of failure to respond can be comprised of observation of clinical signs (lack of change in symptoms) or through blood work.

Information on how to contact the FDA may be found here. 


Reports become part of the permanent Adverse Drug Experience records.



Owners, Moderators & Primary Response Teams of the Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Yahoo group






Re: Suzanne/Monte

Suzanne Mansolilli
 

Thanks for the markups, Linda.  A few questions:

1. regarding the lateral x-ray of the LF, to back up the toe I understand we make a vertical cut with the rasp back to the blue line, but is it a straight line across the toe to mimic the green line from the photo of the sole? Or does it follow the radius of the hoof?  I'm guessing it's a straight cut

2. If it's a straight cut across from the above question, what happens to the "corners" I've created at the 2 pillars?

3. Do I take away the callused sole at the toe or leave it?

4. How long do I leave the walls at the pillars above the live sole plane or the callused sole plane?

5. In regards to the last markup of the lateral photo of the RF, after we back up the toe to the blue line, is that all or does the hoof get rasped from the top to follow the profile of the green line?

My farrier comes tomorrow, so if you have time to respond today, it would be super!  Meanwhile, I'm soaking those feet.

Thanks.

SuzanneM and Monty

Western Colorado -- July, 2014

Case History:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/SuzanneM/

Photos:  Yahoo! Groups

 


---In EquineCushings@..., <PapBallou@...> wrote :

Suzanne –

  

The toe needs to be brought back to the blue trim line.  This will provide a breakover that facilitates the breakover of the CB.  This can’t be emphasized enough! 


 Put the toe on a toe stand, and from the top, rasp that toe wall back to the blue line from about 10 to 2 o'clock.  The rasp should be perpendicular to the ground.  When done, there might not be toe wall touching the ground.  This is OK!  


The red areas – just be careful that the walls aren’t rasped aggressively here.  It’s the part of the wall that protects the leading edge of the CB, so while that toe is coming back, the ‘pillars’ will play a protective role.

 

The last markup is the lateral photo of the RF, showing the green line what runs parallel to the CB, and the blue trim line for the toe.  

 

Linda

EC Primary Response

West Coast

May 2004



 


Re: Error: Discription could not process this "GET" request

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Thanks Sue.  It looks like Yahoo is doing another tweek.  Hang in there everyone.  

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Newmarket, Ontario

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