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Re: Ollie Has His Wings 1980-2014

Valeree Smith
 

Lorna,

Another one of the great ones crosses over.

I am so sorry for your loss but how fortunate you both were to meet each other.

May he continue to watch over his friends and family.


Valeree, GD, Jake &  Annie




Re: Ollie Has His Wings 1980-2014

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Oh Lorna, I'm so sorry for your loss. What a beautiful tribute to a very special boy. He couldn't have found a better place to live and share his life, surrounded by people who cared, understood and celebrated what he had to give. May everyone whose heart he touched find healing in the wonderful memories he has left behind. 


Peace and hugs to you,

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Nappi and George over the Bridge

Jan 05, RI

EC Support Team



---In EquineCushings@..., <windybriars@...> wrote :

One of his friends said,"Today I grieve for wonderful Ollie, a mighty horse that gave children without wings the freedom to fly."

Last Thursday his wonderful vet gave him his wings, and the well-deserved freedom to fly .





Re: Ollie Has His Wings 1980-2014

palomino.1982@...
 

Lorna~

My heart aches for your loss of your special boy. He touched the hearts of many and will live forever in their memories. Fly free, dear Ollie.

Hugs,
Susan
EC Primary Response
SoCal 2007


Re: Repost - 189126 Seasonal Rise: Is a higher dose of pergolide needed?

Claudia Goodman
 

Hi Nancy,

>Seasonal Rise When to Test ACTH Message by Eleanor https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/132334
>Increase Pergolide Message (Scale of Symptoms) by Patti https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/111988

Thanks for giving me some direction. The links are helpful.  I am still a bit confused, particularly about evaluating Silhouette's insulin levels to use for clues about her ACTH.  I have upped her to 3 mgs daily in compounded pergolide capsule form (Thriving Pets). Will test again in about 3-4 weeks, as we head toward maximum seasonal rise. If she loses ground (lack of energy, crestiness, etc.), I will add another 1 mg per day.
I also am awaiting the results of her second KSU iron panel, which will help shed more light on overall conditions.

>Knowing what your insulin is will provide more info for you. IOW, is it controlled?
Silhouette had been IR for many years, with insulin values near the very top or over the max normal range - before dietary changes. I feel her insulin is controlled now, but as we go more into the seasonal rise, I am alert for changes that show otherwise.
Current insulin level (reported 9/17) is 11.8 ulU/L with normal range listed as 5-20. Glucose is 91 mg/dL with normal range 75-115. I calculated  a G:I ratio of 7.7. (Not fasting). It would appear that this is a relatively good insulin value and GI ratio value for her. Same blood draw had an ACTH of 79 pg/mL (ref 9-35). No hoof sensitivity at all. 

>Your Insulin was very high in April.  
Her April insulin value was 101 pmol/L [= 14.5 ulU/L(ref. 32-187 pmol/L). 
Glucose was 5.0 mmol/L (ref. 4.2-6.4). Not fasting.
Both glucose and insulin fell mid range of normal. I calculated a GI ratio of 6.2. (ACTH was at 21 pg/mL at this time.) I would say this is also a reasonably good insulin value for her. Her more current value of 11.8 ulU/L, however, is better even tho her ACTH is almost 4 times higher. 

>You've had "slight cases of laminitis". 
I use the term laminitis for any sensitivity of the hoof while on the trail. Because she is IR, I have to think of it as a possibility. Her hooves are never hot and I don’t find bounding digital pulses - but since she is IR, I start looking for signs and always get her blood tested when she shows any hoof sensitivity.
I trim her often to make make sure to roll her walls adequately so they don’t have sheering or flaring forces on them.
(Last autumn she traveled over rock easily. Later, in winter, she was avoiding rocks unless booted. Could've be slight laminitis, could've been softer sole and frogs due to moisture.)

Luckily I have a vet that supports whatever I feel is best in treating PPID. Unfortunately, he is not making recommendations with each new set of test results. So I am very grateful that your group is so knowledgeable and willing to help sort us out.

Claudia & Silhouette 2014 California

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Claudia%20%26%20Silhouette/



Re: Ollie Has His Wings 1980-2014

Patty Sobel <psobel_gen@...>
 

What a wonderful tribute to an incredible horse!  My heart hurts each time I read about one of our special companions crossing the Rainbow Bridge.  Yet it is a reminder of our special bonds and the joy from being a part of each other's lives.  Fly free, Ollie.  Hugs to you, Lorna.

Patty and Libby
Laurel, MD
May 2008

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From:"windybriars@... [EquineCushings]"
Date:Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 5:58 PM
Subject:[EquineCushings] Ollie Has His Wings 1980-2014

 

Hi Everyone,

Ollie and I met 27 years ago, when he was 7. I was looking for a therapy horse for my little therapeutic riding program. He was looking for a home, because his previous people had left him at a horse trader's farm. 


I was so lucky.


He was an Appie X QH, full of heart. 

He loved his therapeutic riding role. And his riders and his team loved him back.
Ollie has been blind for several years, first one eye and then the other.His blindness didn't stop him from helping his riders. One of his friends put it well when she said,  "I loved Ollie for his kind heart and his bravery, he never let any disability affect his life."
He also loved his rides in the country, teaching riders how to jump, learning  piaffe and passage, taking kids to pony club shows and Gymkhanas , and just hanging out with his friends.


He brought me to this  group about 12 years ago. He had been diagnosed with PPID/IR, about a year or so before. But I had spent the time fumbling around , believing in marketers saying he had environmental illness. Thanks to this group I learned what to believe and what not to believe ,  and how to ask the right questions.


Ollie dodged the bullet a number of years ago when 5 of his friends sloughed all their hooves, because of Selenium toxicity.He had eaten even more of the mineral mix than the others had  but didn't get touched. 

He has overcome fallout from PPID/IR, and blindness.


But this  past week was too much.

Severe colic, strangulation lipoma ,a possible minor stroke - way too much.

One of his friends said,"Today I grieve for wonderful Ollie, a mighty horse that gave children without wings the freedom to fly."

Last Thursday his wonderful vet gave him his wings, and the well-deserved freedom to fly .


In spite of the unspeakable pain of losing him, I feel so lucky to have been able to  keep him from a 'ghastly death.'


And I feel so lucky to have been able to share in his life for 27 wonderful years.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
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Re: Ollie Has His Wings 1980-2014

Nancy C
 

Sweet Ollie.  I am honored to have met him. And to know you, Lorna. Ollie taught many people. As do you.  May the learning continue in his memory.

Remember the good times, as painful as it may be to do so right now. It celebrates his life, your life together,  even as it tears the heart.

Fly free Oliver.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003




---In EquineCushings@..., <windybriars@...> wrote :


One of his friends said,"Today I grieve for wonderful Ollie, a mighty horse that gave children without wings the freedom to fly."

Last Thursday his wonderful vet gave him his wings, and the well-deserved freedom to fly .


In spite of the unspeakable pain of losing him, I feel so lucky to have been able to  keep him from a 'ghastly death.'


And I feel so lucky to have been able to share in his life for 27 wonderful years.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf

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Re: Ollie Has His Wings 1980-2014

reypunky@...
 

Oh, Lorna, I'm so sorry about Ollie. But bless you for giving him such a wonderful life. Hugs. Vicki SE/PA11/02


Re: Ollie Has His Wings 1980-2014

Bonnie
 

So sorry for the loss, Lorna. Truly the longer we know our animals the more precious they become to us. Thank you for sharing his ups and downs to educate us.

Bonnie Ivey, Ontario 12/08


Re: Ollie Has His Wings 1980-2014

PapBallou@...
 


Hello Lorna -


I am very sad to learn of your loss of Ollie.  He could not have had a better home nor better care than what you provided for him.


Linda


Re: L-arginine & eleuthero for cold induced laminitis

lomeiko
 

BoT was first that got to mind.


IMO Back on Track would be much better than neopren!  I use their products myself, they give a very pleasant dry warmth, but not really hot. I would wear them all the time (e.g when I have back pain). They have bell boots as well. My only concern would be that both bells and wraps may get dirty and/or wet, wearing them wet is not a good idea!  But may be it will help her enough if she wears them only at night and then you wash them and dry during the daytime

Ekaterina
Russia
2013


Ollie Has His Wings 1980-2014

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Everyone,

Ollie and I met 27 years ago, when he was 7. I was looking for a therapy horse for my little therapeutic riding program. He was looking for a home, because his previous people had left him at a horse trader's farm. 


I was so lucky.


He was an Appie X QH, full of heart. 

He loved his therapeutic riding role. And his riders and his team loved him back.
Ollie has been blind for several years, first one eye and then the other.His blindness didn't stop him from helping his riders. One of his friends put it well when she said,  "I loved Ollie for his kind heart and his bravery, he never let any disability affect his life."
He also loved his rides in the country, teaching riders how to jump, learning  piaffe and passage, taking kids to pony club shows and Gymkhanas , and just hanging out with his friends.


He brought me to this  group about 12 years ago. He had been diagnosed with PPID/IR, about a year or so before. But I had spent the time fumbling around , believing in marketers saying he had environmental illness. Thanks to this group I learned what to believe and what not to believe ,  and how to ask the right questions.


Ollie dodged the bullet a number of years ago when 5 of his friends sloughed all their hooves, because of Selenium toxicity.He had eaten even more of the mineral mix than the others had  but didn't get touched. 

He has overcome fallout from PPID/IR, and blindness.


But this  past week was too much.

Severe colic, strangulation lipoma ,a possible minor stroke - way too much.

One of his friends said,"Today I grieve for wonderful Ollie, a mighty horse that gave children without wings the freedom to fly."

Last Thursday his wonderful vet gave him his wings, and the well-deserved freedom to fly .


In spite of the unspeakable pain of losing him, I feel so lucky to have been able to  keep him from a 'ghastly death.'


And I feel so lucky to have been able to share in his life for 27 wonderful years.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf

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Re: how much Pergolide?

Nancy C
 

Hi Karin

There is a lot of discussion out there that is not well informed re:copra. Not sure who you mean that has measured it, but if it's the manufacturer, I would disagree. Many IR horses are getting foot sore on it with higher insulin labs.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/184570

As with any high fat product, some will tolerate it and some won't. Saturated fat is not a normal component of the horse's ancestral diet. IR causes abnormalities in fat metabolism that vary between individuals and breeds. If you are going to feed this to an IR horse, you need to regularly check cholesterol and triglyceride levels.


From this post
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/topics/117874
The medium chain length
triglycerides in Copra are less likely to cause weight gain than long
chain fats though. Of more concern is that MCTs can trigger an insulin
response:


The usefulness of dietary medium-chain triglycerides in body weight control: fact or fancy?

 

I did miss the bit about the flax. Addingin that amount reflects what she would get for fat if he were on grass and in the correct EFA ratios.

Folks have mixed the Prascend half tabs in water and administered that way when they had to get down to 0.25.  Hope someone who has done this will speak up.  You are on to 0.5 mg now so should be okay.




---In EquineCushings@..., <k.schouwenburg@...> wrote :

Hi Nancy,

Ty so much for your comments and links.
The copra was recommended because of the fact coconut oil lowers the insuline in humans and they measured the copra does the same in horses. She gets ground (golden) flax too, thought that was on the history form? About 100 grams.

History:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Karin%20Schouwenburg/

 


Re: how much Pergolide?

k.schouwenburg@...
 

Hi Nancy,

Ty so much for your comments and links.
The copra was recommended because of the fact coconut oil lowers the insuline in humans and they measured the copra does the same in horses. She gets ground (golden) flax too, thought that was on the history form? About 100 grams.

I started with 0,25 but that is really difficult because I have to cut a half pill in half. How do you guys manage that? I never get two quarters then, mostly 3 pieces, or two and some powder.
So I went to half today after a week of quarters (more or less...).

Karin & Kaya (17, IR, joined July 2013)
The Netherlands

History:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Karin%20Schouwenburg/

 


L-arginine & eleuthero for cold induced laminitis

chf1752@...
 

My IR/Lyme pony is a little more footsore with the sudden drop in temperature we had. Suddenly down to 30-40 at night, when it had been 50-60 at night. I didn't realize it was going to be so cold the first night, so she didn't have a blanket. After that night, she's had a blanket on at night. She has no coat growth and is still in her summer coat.


Even with the blanket, she got more footsore this week. Last night, I put some polo wraps on her and she seems to be a lot more comfortable. I switched those out for some SMB-like boots this morning on all 4, plus magnetic bell boots on her fronts. This seems to be the best so far for her.


She had a bout of laminitis back in April, also partially induced by cold. What I'm seeing now isn't quite the same. Her general attitude is pretty normal. She's not acting depressed or in pain like she did in April. She seems more generally stiff, with a bit more sensitivity in her fronts now. In April, her fronts were very painful. 


I just read about cold induced laminitis and the suggestions of L-arginine and an adaptogen. Someone I know uses eleuthero for her Lyme, so I wonder if that might be a good one to try for my pony.


My pony is ~747lbs. How much L-arginine should I try? Is that a permanent long term supplement? Any good sources?


How much eleuthero? My friend takes it for 2-3 months, then takes a 2-3 week break, and then goes back on it. Is it necessary to do that for a horse? Would the dried herb mixed in feed be ok?


Any suggestions for leg and hoof warmers? The stress of stalling her outweighs any benefit, so she lives in a dry lot w/ large run in. She has 2 minis for company, but she's the boss. It'll get down to near -30F here at night, and we might see temps below 20F from November-March. We do get snow, but she'll spend most of her time in the run in. That's where the slow feeders are! 


I thought about Back on Track wraps, but it looks like you're not supposed to have them on 24/7. Maybe some kind of neoprene leg wraps and magnetic bell boots? She's barefoot, and shoeing isn't really an option. None of the farriers in the area I've worked with understand how to do a proper trim, so I do my own trimming.


Her diet is balanced. Low ESC+starch hay. ODTBC to carry her minerals & supplements. I'm awaiting hay testing results for the latest batch of hay. 


Erin

ME

2014


Re: EPM and Metabolic distress diet?!!!! Help needed asap :)

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Pamela,

Join our ECHistory 8 group in order to add a case history to the Files there.This will allow our volunteers to see the important details.

When you sign your messages ,please add your location and your date of joining the group.
You joined in 2011.

All these details will help us help you better.


  Lorna in Ontario,Canada

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EPM and Metabolic distress diet?!!!! Help needed asap :)

pbjkraines@...
 

Can anyone send me to a file quickly on info about the diet for a newly diagnosed EPM case? My vet says this horse will not gain needed weight for about a full year after beginning RX for EPM, due to Metabolic distress and stress in all systems of the horse but failed to elaborate. I cannot wait 2 weeks for his reply to my question, as I would like to be proactive and begin necessary diet changes now (He is based several states away from me and is not easily accessible by phone.

Thank you! Pamela Raines


Choosing the right hay from Samples

Tamara
 

Hello,


May I please have some help choosing the right hay to feed 3 laminitic ponies, 1 of which is showing signs of Cushings.


Sample 1 - Russian Rye Grass Mix(not the grain) about 40% Russian Rye Grass

Moisture     12.0%

WSC           11.8%

ESC             6.8%

Starch          0.2%


Sample 2 - Combined new Brome

Moisture      19.2%

WSC            12.0%

ESC             7.5%

Starch           0.2%


Sample 3 - Combined Brome

Moisture       17.2%

WSC             13.5%

ESC               6.2%

Starch            0.2%


These numbers are for members who are not part of EChistory 7

The full results are at:


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory7/files/Tamara%2C%20Sask/


Thank you so much in advance


Tamara

2010

SK, Canada



Herbal Pain Control

Valletta Lochridge
 

In Feb of this year, I took in an 11y/o Percheron gelding with a history of laminits, abscesses and mild coffin bone descent.  Cornell labs confirmed IR which we are addressing with diet, minerals balanced to his hay and a top-notch trimmer.  Linda did her magic on his xrays, and Rego has been improving and growing healthy new feet - we have about 1 1/2" of old hoof left to grow out.


Last Saturday morning, Rego was off on his Left front.  He had been playing silly gelding games with his friend in the next pasture (bucking, running and just plain enjoying himself) the night before, so I assumed that he just overdid it.  He is on Mov-Ease  for his significant arthritis so I left him off of any pain meds to see if he improved on his own.  (He weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of 1700 - 1800 lbs so his bucks make big impacts on those front feet).  On Sunday morning, he was unable to move.  The vet put him on Bute 4mg every 12 hours.  His pain was absolutely unbearable.  He was unable to stand for very long and wasn't able to breathe comfortably when down with that huge body smashing his lungs.  At that point, we didn't know the cause of the pain and I truly thought that I was going to have to let him go.


Fast forward to Thursday.......he made huge improvement on his L front but the Rt front was now more painful.  We were able to finally xray him to see what was going on.  He has 2 blown abscesses in the L front which are very superficial.  The Rt front didn't reveal any changes from his last xray, so the thought is that the pain is from supporting all of his weight for so long on already compromised joints.


Now my questions..........1) I want to get him off of the Bute and would like to switch to Devils Claw, Curcumin and Boswellia.  I hesitate to use PhytoQuench because of the Ascorbic Acid and Garlic, but maybe I'm being too picky.  What is the general consensus of opinion between PQ and the herbs that I'm considering.  2)  If I use the herbs, what it the proper dosage for my Large One?


Valletta and Rego in Central CA

Jan 2012


Re: Shawnee is getting worse

taxwizardsmel@...
 

I will pass the information along to the farrier.

Thank  you

Shawnee and Melanie

Aug 13 Oregon


Re: Shawnee is getting worse

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Melanie,


Neo makes adding links annoying because it converts your link to an advertising blurb but it still works as a link. I can do some mark-ups a bit later but from what I see, I agree completely with Linda on the wall rasping. I also see what appears to be thinning of the sole in the front half of the foot and there is absolutely no excess sole there to be thinned. The toes need to be backed in the horizontal plane not lowered from the bottom. It's a common issue and could certainly be contributing to Shawnee's current soreness.


Here is the link to his photos:


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/photos/albums/505715176


Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut

Jan 05, RI

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