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Re: Help please balancing hay

jennifer
 

Thank you! Should I just pick any of the folks listed there?

Jennifer in Germany
Laramie July 2011


Re: Help please balancing hay

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Jennifer,

You may be able to get help sooner by contacting someone in the Help Balancing File:


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
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Help please balancing hay

jennifer
 

Hello there,


I'm nursing a really bad bout of the flu and seem to not be able to balance my new hay.

Would someone be willing to balance it for me? I need to order the new supplement (a company here mixes it for me based on the numbers I provide) next week. I just got the results back from equi-analytical.

I would be so relieved. Even looking at the laptop screen and typing this message multiplies my headache. :(

Our IR boy is compensated IR and has been thriving on a balanced diet since 2011, thanks to this list and Dr. K.


Jennifer in Germany

Laramie July 2011



Re: MIkado Update and looking for advice

Nancy C
 

I personally would not worry about his temperature.

It's only a guess but the raise in glucose levels could vary due to condition, age and Dx of the horse and amount of work asked to do.

Blood glucose level is highly dependent on diet and timing of sampling related to last meal plus the composition of the last meal.

The pH of your water could be bigger issue than the amount of iron but I guessing that is part of your testing.

Review the diet very carefully.  Make sure you are using the nutritional requirements for work. Help him replenish by following the work article I pointed to in last email on ecirhorse.org.  I assume your are not working him beyond his ability.

As for coat.....lots of things could be driving that. Since you ACTH is under control I'd look to diet and deworming.

Review his feet.

Nancy C in NH
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Is there an explanation for Mikados low temperature? And the poor coat? Maybe there a solution that fits to all his problems?
Jana Germany 09/11
ECHistory7

 

 


Re: Ollie Has His Wings 1980-2014

Lorna Cane
 


On 9/23/2014 6:51 AM, Lorna Cane wrote:
Thanks to everyone who has sent messages of tribute and support. You have made this bloody-awful journey easier.

It was difficult for me to post news of Ollie's passing to the group .
But I knew that a lot of people here had followed him years ago. And I also hoped to help people know that although a PPID/IR diagnosis is initially alarming and frightening, it is not usually what gets our beloved horses, in the end.

Thanks to Dr. Kellon ,who put it best. I'm taking the liberty of repeating part of her recent message here:

"To have been with a horse for 27 years, to the age of 34, puts you in a very elite class.  To have battled PPID and IR for over a third of that life, and ultimately lost him to something unrelated, is an inspiration to all in this group who worry that PPID is a death sentence."

So take heart , Fellow Warriors. It's a battle worth fighting.

Lorna in Ontario,Canada 
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Re: Sprite's hay analysis

Maggie
 

>>I've uploaded my mare's equine history and the hay analysis that just came back today.
 
Hi Edie,
 
You're right!  No more soaking hay!  We use the ESC+starch, so  5.1+ 0.5 = 5.6.  YAY!!  That looks like some nice hay.  There are always excesses and deficiencies, so yes, you will need to add some minerals to balance Spite's diet.  She is gorgeous, btw!!  Here's where you go to get help with mineral balancing:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/files/7%20Help%20with%20Mineral%20Balancing/  It's the first file in that folder.  You can contact any person on that list and ask them if they are available to help balance Sprite's diet. 
 
In the meantime, I have a few questions/suggestions.  How is she doing on 11 lbs of hay/day?  That seems a little light to me.  Are you sure she's only 750 lbs?  How did you come up with that weight?  It seems a little light to me for a 14.3 horse that  looks a bit overweight in her picture.  Are you using smhn's (small mesh hay nets) to make her hay last as long as possible?  You can increase her ground flax seed from 2 T to 2 oz.  Are you giving her Vitamin E?  Horses on an all hay diet need to be supplemented with Vitamin E as well as ground flax seed since those are the fragile ingredients lost during hay curing.  Is your "iodized salt block" brown/red or white?  She should only get the white salt block, since the brown/red ones have added minerals, iron, and sometimes molasses.  The only "iodized" salt block I could find online was brown and also had "iron oxide" on the ingredient list.  Since most IR horses are also iron overloaded, and they get more than enough iron in their hay, we want to eliminate any "added" iron from their diet. Since horses cannot get enough salt by licking a salt block, you should also be adding loose iodized salt to her beet pulp.  Build up to 2 T/day of loose iodized salt.  Are you rinse/soak/rinsing that BP?  That helps to remove the surface contaminants (dirt/iron).  More details about the amounts of salt and flax seed, etc can be found on our website here:  http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/ddt-overview/ddt-diet
 
And one more thing.  I noticed on your CH that you didn't fill in the date on your lab work.  When was that done?  At the age of 19, Sprite is a candidate for Cushing's as well as IR and her ACTH was at the high end of normal.  If this lab work was done recently, you can chalk that up to the seasonal rise.  But if those labs were done during the seasonal low time of year, I would be keeping a very close watch on that ACTH as Sprite ages.  Read more about the seasonal rise on our website here:  http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/cushing-s-disease/seasonal-rise

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
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Re: QUESTION TO THE GROUP

Deb Funderburk <hawkhilldeb@...>
 

Hi group-- Just an interesting little tidbit on this pergolide question. I just got my latest order of pergolide (up to 8 mg now). It came in two bottles--one with only six capsules in it. The other bottle of 29 said "Use this first" and it made me wonder if they just got a new shipment of pergolide in. I am going to be very alert for veil symptoms when I start the last six in case it is stronger.

Deb and Cory in NC
July 2012
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Re: MIkado Update and looking for advice

feldermannj
 

Thanks a lot, Nancy.
I'll try to answer the questions: the vet told me that his glucose should be rised again to the before work level in 30 min. Mikados glucose haven't been high enough after 45 min. I'm not 100% sure, but I think I found a statement of Dr Kellon, she said the same.
About the lysine and leucin: I will ask Sandra for that, but I think Sandra did a proper balancing of his minerals. There is also an amount of salt in his diet, and of course I give more salt, when he is sweating.
The water is tested yearly, and it's fine. We have got a mashine that gets the iron off the water (sorry, çan't find the englich word for that mashine).
The loss of weight is not quick, more a slow process, but I don't want him to be that thin during winter. He drinks enough I think, I don't have automatoic waters, I use warter buckets and could see how much he and the little shetland buddie is drinking.
I'll try to make hoof pictures, but I don't think the hooces are really part of the problem, I trim by myself, with the friendly suppoert of our farrier who is really an expert in trimming  and shoeing difficult hooves (he worked as a barefoot trimmer for a few years- not a "normal" farrier) and a german member of this group who is also trimming the hooves of her horses on her own.

Is there an explanation for Mikados low temperature? And the poor coat? Maybe there a solution that fits to all his problems?
Jana Germany 09/11
ECHistory7

 


Re: NuZu Stabul Nuggets online store

nuzufeed
 

Our web design person was able to put a shopping tab on nuzufeed.com for the Stabul Nuggets.

You will no longer need to use the shop.nuzufeed.com


Randy

No/IL

9/10


Sprite's hay analysis

Edie Widoff
 

I've uploaded my mare's equine history and the hay analysis that just came back today.  Looks to me like I can stop soaking the hay as the WSC is 8.9 % and ESC is 5.1% and Starch is only .5% with NFC being the only percent that seems high- it is 16.5%.  Would someone in the know be able to take a look and let me know if I need to be supplementing with anything else?  I've been adding beet pulp to her diet since we found about her insulin imbalance and cut out all treats.  I've also asked the guys at the boarding facility to feed her about half of what they had been feeding her, which should be the right amount based on her weight.  Thanks so much!

Edie from Colorado

Sprite, Sept. 2014


Re: Need bloodwork advisement

Maggie
 

>Here's a link to our website...
 
That's what I get for being is such a hurry!  I forgot the link.  Here you go Kerry: 
http://ecirhorse.org/

Maggie, Chancey and Spiral in VA
March 2011
EC Primary Response
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Re: QUESTION TO THE GROUP

Jane Hewitt
 

Thank you!


Re: QUESTION TO THE GROUP

Jane Hewitt
 

Thank you!


Re: NuZu Stabul Nuggets online store

gypsylassie
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <nuzufeed@...> wrote :

We have had a number of requests for a nutritional reward that is modeled after the Stabul 1 protocol.

The Stabul Nuggets are 3/4" in diameter, 10% min protein, 2.5% fat, 23% fiber and balanced for vitamins and minerals. Fenugreek flavoring for now but we have banana, licorice, peanut butter and peppermint in mind. To make it easier for everyone we created a online store that you can purchase them through.  shop.nuzufeed.com



Just tried the Stabul Nuggets and the boys love them.  It's nice to have another option for when we want to treat our IR horses.  ( s/s under 10% )  They're a nice size and texture too.  About the size of a small thumb, firm but breakable, so they are ok in a pocket, easy to break in half and easy to chew.  Nice to share with friends' horses on our little group trail rides too.  Often those horses look at me like I'm nuts when I offer a peanut in the shell or a piece of celery.  

Laura K. Chappie & Beau

N.IL.2011


Re: MIkado Update and looking for advice

Nancy C
 

Hi Jana

It would not surprise me that his glucose is low after work. When you are stumped you need to think about DDT+E

It appears your PPID is controlled.  Looks like other blood work is good, but I could be wrong.

Check the file on putting our metabolic guys back to work here. 

Feeding Recovered Laminitics

With Sandra, check protein and amino acids.  You might need to add Lysine and Leucine.


But most importantly check his salt.  You report he is sweating and that will have a huge impact if salt is not increased to accommodate loss.


Quick loss of "weight" during hot days could be dehydration.


Anemia could be from copper deficiency due to excess iron (has his water been checked?) or an uncontrolled disease, like PPID. 


If his trim is not right or he is foot sore, that could also contribute (hence the request for pics)


No magic answers, I am afraid.  Just some places to go to try to tweak.


Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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Re: Torfi and Fengur, Icelandic geldings need home

 

Sorry, folks, I forgot to sign my message about Torfi and Fengur.

Jannalee
Jannalee Smithey, EDO
Talent, Oregon
2006


Torfi and Fengur, Icelandic geldings need home

 


Dear Group,

I am posting this for a client of mine, who has two icelandic geldings needing a new home together. Donna Brownfield in Southern Oregon (541-821-4799) writes:

"My 23-yr-old Icelandic gelding,Torfi, has been diagnosed with IR and Cushings. He does not have any lameness now and has never been lame in the past. From bloodwork sent to Cornell, his Glucose result is 114 and his ACTH is 90.0. He needs low-carb feed, exercise, medication, clipping, and blanketing.

I have made the decision to find him a new home as we are retired and do a lot of traveling. I can’t expect a boarding facility to take the proper care that he needs now.
He competed in 5-gait and one of the highlights of his career was Reserve Champion in 5-gait at the Icelandic West Coast Championship in 2001.

He is a wonderful trail horse and can be ridden away from the barn with no argument and does not spook. I got him from the friend that showed him. They moved to Florida and it turned out that he is allergic to the biting bugs there. His ears have permanent edema from that experience, and one of them flops over, but it has not given him any trouble.

Torfi has a very good buddy, Fengur, who must go with him. Fengur is 22-yrs old. They have lived together for many years and are very close. I can’t separate them. Fengur has not been tested but I don’t think he has IR or Cushings. He is also an excellent riding horse and has been in the Tournament of Roses Equestrian Festival and Night of the Horse Del Mar.

The Icelandic Horse is renowned for being hardy, athletic, independent, spirited and sure footed. Both geldings are around 13 hands.

They would need their own space, as they can be very aggressive to other horses.

We are in Southern Oregon. Please contact me at 541-821-4799 for more info."
***
I will try to post their photos now.

Thanks, everyone. I'm sure hoping that someone has room for these sweet boys. 

Jannalee



Re: Prascend and Spookiness?

Rebecca Marment <r_marment@...>
 

Hi

My boy also became spooky, to the point where he actually scared me. He would spook, spin and bolt. He has always been a bit nutty (warmblood cross), but never that bad. I asked my vet if it was the Prescend but he said no. A friend's horse, also on Prescend, has been equally as spooky!

Rebecca and Hutch
September 2012
UK

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: nblase56@... [EquineCushings]
Sent: 23/09/2014 01:18
To: EquineCushings@...
Subject: [EquineCushings] Prascend and Spookiness?

 

Hi 

My 21 year old warmblood gelding was diagnosed with Cushings about two years ago. He has been well controlled on Prascend. Over this period of time he has become increasingly spooky. My vet has been very engaged and has pretty much exhausted all potential issues (feet, teeth, ears, back, hocks, cannons, Lyme Disease). He was never spooky before but it has become an increasing problem. Is it possible he is having some reaction to his medication? He takes one tablet of Prascend per day along with Prevacox. The only supplement he gets is SmartPak UltraCalm (thought this might help the spookiness).

Thanks for your help in trying to sort through this issue. 


Re: Repost MIkado Update and looking for advice

feldermannj
 

Hi Lorna,
my apologies for the two additional files, but I tried the best I can to add the numbers in the CH, but I failed. I am working with an old laptop and LInux, many things doesn't work normal. Would it be asked too much, if I cordially beg you to have a look at this two additional files in the Jana and Mikado folder? If so, it will take some time to get the numbers in the ch, I have to ask a friend for help.

I'm sorry I don't have new hoof pictures, I don't own a camera. If it is nessecary I will lend one and take pictures.
But the hoofes are not the main problem at the moment... I really would be very very happy, if there is someone who can tell me why my pony isn't hale. I would also appreciate advice on what I can do for further diagnosis. All vets I consulted are clueless, only advice I got was to feed extra iron.

Jana  Germany 09.11

ECHistory7


Re: QUESTION TO THE GROUP

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Jane,

We're only talking about a 2 week supply here.  If you don't want to go Prascend, try Pet Health.  Again, two week supply then recheck ACTH.  If there is a dramatic drop in that short a period of time this time of year, good chance it was the pergolide.  You really need to know this because if the pergolide you are currently using is not up to potency you will waste a lot of time and money trying to increase it and get control - not to mention risking laminitis in the process.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001

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