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Re: Laminitis Help please!

Stephanie Stout
 

Hi Mandy,

Thanks for your reply. I'm trying to get into the ECH8 and I can't access the group? It isn't letting me and I have tried several times!

King was tested with the blood sent to Cornell. His Insulin level is 171, with the normal range being 10-40. He wasn't fasted before hand. The vet is coming again today to check his kidney levels so I can see about getting him more pain relief as he's just miserable. Unfortunately, the vets here locally don't have much experience with these type of cases so I'm having to do the thinking and research for them. 

I switched his hay over to a lower sugar/carb hay. I was soaking the hay he was on, but it was 16% WSC so I realized that even with soaking it there was still too much sugar for him. So, I switched him to an Orchard Grass with 9% WSC. I've always had him on soaked beet pulp, which he loves, so glad he can continue with that. 

He can't lift his feet for a trim, as it hurts him too much. He is immobile, I'm bringing him water and hay. He is his stall, with deep shavings.

I'm heading out, I will check back later. Thank you for the support and help!
Stephanie
Oregon



Re: MIkado Update and looking for advice

palomino.1982@...
 

To translate from German to English, go to Google Translate , follow the prompt and the article is translated.

Susan
EC Primary Response
SoCal 2007

 


Re: MIkado Update and looking for advice

feldermannj
 

Here is one of the links to a website that mentioned the relationship between dopamine antagonists and thyroid dysfunctions. Thyreotropin – Wikipedia

 


Jana, Germany 09/11

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Re: Link Error Fixes and How to Search Files using the Webpage

gentpony
 

I originally voted when this was first posted… now Yahoo is letting me vote AGAIN!

There must be some time period that once past, you can add votes to an issue.  So everyone, please try to vote again too!

 

https://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/209451-us-groups/suggestions/6466598-broken-links

 

If you have other email addresses besides the one you are logged into, you may vote additional times.  They do not need to be yahoo mail addresses.  You can use 3 votes per email address.

 

After you have voted once, to change to a different email address, in the upper right corner of the screen, click “Sign Out”, then vote again using another address.   Repeat with other email addresses. 

 

Just voted to my max…we are now up to 6th!

 

Eva

SW Ontario,  March 2005


Re: Laminitis Help please!

Deb Funderburk <hawkhilldeb@...>
 

Hi Stephanie-- Just wanted to say, hang in there and don't panic. My pony started taking tours of his paddock this week after a three month self-imposed confinement to his stall. You can feed and water King while he is down. You can even trim him while down (I will post a picture later today of Cory having a nap while getting his mani/pedi yesterday).

Follow the groups directions and if you have problems, ask for help. They always have suggestions.

Deb and Cory in NC
July 2012
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ECHistory5/files/Deb%20Funderburk%20in%20NC/
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ECHistory5/photos/albums/1275105710


Re: Link Error Fixes and How to Search Files using the Webpage

 

Voted!  Up to 7th!

Holli
The Netherlands


Re: making horse 'treat'

Donna Coughlin
 

Erin, 

That was so nice of Sharon to find the message! This new Yahoo system surely makes things hard, but here's the link: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EquineCushings/conversations/messages/174500

 

 If it doesn't work, I can post the whole message/recipe again, I keep a copy of it in my own files.....and I still make it too! I did watch the youtube of the other recipe, and it is definitely much simpler, and the basic ingredients are very much the same. I love the idea in that recipe  of rolling the dough out in the pan and then cutting--that would be a lot easier than what I do. I'm going to try it next time, will report back! I have actually been cutting a little pocket in my cookies and inserting the pergolide, since Duke will no longer eat a peanut (with or without pergolide) at 6:30 p.m., his usual med time. He WILL eat peanuts any other time of day.....But he LOVES the cookies, so it's working for now. Whew.

Good luck!

Donna Coughlin, Duke, Obi and Robin
CT 2009


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Re: Laminitis Help please!

PapBallou@...
 

Stephanie --What struck me about your horse was that the IR started at a mature age.  This is pretty unusual without something else causing it to happen.

The most likely culprit is cushings (PPID).  And, the time if year is classic since ACTH, the hormone that is part of the PPID scenario is naturally elevated.  With PPID, that elevation may be all it takes to cause IR and laminitis.

Please follow Mandy's recommendations.  It really is imperative that ACTH is run so that treatment can be initiated.  I have been through fall laminitis way too often to not really encourage others to nip the problem in the bud.

You may find additional info at our educational website to help you and your vet.  Please read the info on PPID in particular.  You may even consider asking your vet to start a course of pergolide before lab results are back since your story sounds just so common for fall/PPID issues.

Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.

Linda
EC Primary Response
West Coast
May 2004


Re: Laminitis Help please!

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Stephanie,
We need more information about King before we can answer your questions.   If you will join ECH8 ~ a group where we store the medical histories on the horses.   It takes a minute to join but the questionnaire needs to be answered carefully.   This may take some time.  
 
You’ll see as you read the list philosophy is DDT/E.  This means DIAGNOSIS,  DIET,  TRIM  and EXERCISE.  
 
  What was Kings insulin  number?  unit and lab normal ranges?    Was he ever tested for Cushings?    We recommend  testing on a NON FASTING horse to confirm IR>  Feed him soaked/drained grass hay the night before and the day of the test.  To confirm CUshings, we recommend the ACTH test.  Schedule these tests early in the week,  in a quiet barn and have your vet handle the blood tubes correctly.  These samples should be sent to Cornell.  It is the most reliable lab.   Please read the blood testing files so you know how the blood must be handled. 
 
DIET is low sugar/starch under 10% a  day.  Fat should be no more than 4% a day.  The Temporary   Emergency DIET  in the New Member Primer should be started tomorrow.   It is a safe diet for any horse until you get your own hay analyzed.  Your goal is to test your hay at www.equi-analytical.com and then have  minerals added to the deficits in the assay.   The minerals in the Temporary Emergency DIET are the basis for this diet.   Yo   can get them at Walmart.   They are Vitamin E,  loose iodized table salt,  magnesium and freshly ground flax.  IF  King is IR,  removing as much sugar from his diet is critical.  You can start by soaking his hay- for one hour in cold water or hot water for 30 minutes.   This reduces the sugar in the hay up to 30%.   Remove him from pasture.  No commercial feeds or supplements.   No apples, treats or red salt blocks.   The best carrier for the minerals is rinsed/soaked/rinsed beet pulp.  This has a similar profile to oats without the sugar/starch.  BP is safe if you r/s/r it first.  Start with a dry pound, r/s/r it and divide that into 2-4 meals.   This is also a great way to get water in a horse in the winter!   You can season it with lots of things ~ check out the Picky Eater File.
 
TRIM is very important.  Please take pictures of his feet and post them in ECH8 under PHOTOS.  Take atleast a sole shot and a lateral shot.    Can he lift his feet for a trim?   Do not put shoes on him.  HE may be more comfortable in boots and pads.  Bed him deeply in sawdust so he can ball up the sawdust to fit his needs. He will show you how he wants to stand.  Listen to your horse.  The Soft Ride boot is good for founder rehabs.  Easy to put on and take off.  Lots of padding choices.
 
 
EXERCISE ~~ never force a laminitc horse to move.  Let him move at liberty.  When  you see him wanting to move about and not on NSAIDS which mask pain you need to monitor ~ you can start with hand walking for 5 minutes.  Their mental health is as important as their physical health.  A change of scenery can be good!
 
Stop the MSM.   Stop the Previcox for now.  Let one of the vets here make a comment on that.   Start the diet.  Tell us what state you’re in.  We can help you source products.  
 
Here are some links to help you.  I”ll send you an invite to join ECH8.
 
 
 
 
Mandy in VA
EC Primary Response
OCT 2003
 
 
 


Re: Laminitis Help please!

Mandy Woods
 

Hi Stephanie,
We need more information about King before we can answer your questions.   If you will join ECH8 ~ a group where we store the medical histories on the horses.   It takes a minute to join but the questionnaire needs to be answered carefully.   This may take some time.  
 
You’ll see as you read the list philosophy is DDT/E.  This means DIAGNOSIS,  DIET,  TRIM  and EXERCISE.  
 
  What was Kings insulin number?  unit and lab normal ranges?    Was he ever tested for Cushings?    We recommend  testing on a NON FASTING horse to confirm IR>  Feed him soaked/drained grass hay the night before and the day of the test.  To confirm Cushings, we recommend the ACTH test.  Schedule these tests early in the week,  in a quiet barn and have your vet handle the blood  correctly.  These samples should be sent to Cornell.  It is the most reliable lab.   Please read the blood testing files so you know how the blood must be handled. 
 
DIET is low sugar/starch under 10% a  day.  Fat should be no more than 4% a day.  The Temporary   Emergency DIET  in the New Member Primer should be started tomorrow.   It is a safe diet for any horse until you get your own hay analyzed.  Your goal is to test your hay at www.equi-analytical.com and then have  minerals added to the deficits in the assay.   The minerals in the Temporary Emergency DIET are the basis for this diet.   Yo   can get them at Walmart.   They are Vitamin E,  loose iodized table salt,  magnesium and freshly ground flax.  IF  King is IR,  removing as much sugar from his diet is critical.  You can start by soaking his hay- for one hour in cold water or hot water for 30 minutes.   This reduces the sugar in the hay up to 30%.   Remove him from pasture.  No commercial feeds or supplements.   No apples, treats or red salt blocks.   The best carrier for the minerals is rinsed/soaked/rinsed beet pulp.  This has a similar profile to oats without the sugar/starch.  BP is safe if you r/s/r it first.  Start with a dry pound, r/s/r it and divide that into 2-4 meals.   This is also a great way to get water in a horse in the winter!   You can season it with lots of things ~ check out the Picky Eater File.
 
TRIM is very important.  Please take pictures of his feet and post them in ECH8 under PHOTOS.  Post your xrays there too.  Take  at least a sole shot and a lateral shot.    Can he lift his feet for a trim?   Do not put shoes on him.  HE may be more comfortable in boots and pads.  Bed him deeply in sawdust so he can ball up the sawdust to fit his needs. He will show you how he wants to stand.  Listen to your horse.
 
EXERCISE ~~ never force a laminitc horse to move.  Let him move at liberty.  When  you see him wanting to move about and not on NSAIDS which mask pain you need to monitor ~ you can start with hand walking for 5 minutes.  Their mental health is as important as their physical health.  A change of scenery can be good!
 
 
 
http://www.freil.com/~mlf/IR/ir.html     This is our calculator.
 
 
 www.equi-analytical.com     Get the Trainer # 603
 
 
 
 
Ask questions.  Start a journal on King.  
 
Mandy in VA
EC Primary Response
OCT 2003
 


Re: making horse 'treat'

chf1752@...
 

Thanks Sharon,

Could you post a link, please? Neo won't let me find the post.

Erin
ME
2014


Re: Can't upload CASE HISTORY -- can anyone help?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

On its way to you, Lauren


Lavinia

Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team




Re: making horse 'treat'

egans20191@...
 

Erin,
Found the horse treat I have been using for years.

Check post #174500 on 16 Dec 2012 from Donna in CT

Sharon and Lacey
Virginia
2011


Re: Link Error Fixes and How to Search Files using the Webpage

Nancy C
 

Thanks Marla! You guys are doing great!  We're now up to 8th.

If you haven't voted, PLEASE DO SO!!!!

Thank you.  I shudder to think how much work it will take to fix all these.

broken links

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
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---In EquineCushings@..., <ketakis.mom@...> wrote :

Hi Nancy,  I added the most votes (3) that I could to push the 9th ranking up.  Too bad I couldn't use all the rest (47)!  LOL.  Hope this helps a bit!
me, marla
Ketaki (RIP), Savannah (IR) and Cassidy
 


Laminitis Help please!

Stephanie Stout
 

Hi Everyone,


I'm a new member, so hoping that you guys can help. My beloved 22yr KWPN gelding is currently battling acute Laminitis in all 4 feet, IR, and the hard part is that he has impaired kidneys - short story is that he was given 1gram of Bute(for head swelling which I now know is from his IR) and the 1gram of Bute triggered Renal Failure(kidneys). He was on IV fluids for 4-days, and his kidney levels went back to WNL however they are incredibly sensitive and fragile now. Now, I figured out that he developed IR, with super, super high Insulin levels(blood was tested), which triggered the Laminitis(rotation in all 4 feet). 


Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can give him to help?? He can't have any NSAIDS(the most I can do is 1/4 Previcox which I have been supplementing him on to try and help) or anything hard on his kidneys. He can't walk at this point, but he's hanging in there.  He's already on MSM.


TIA!

Stephanie & King



Re: Can't upload CASE HISTORY -- can anyone help?

Lauren N
 

Lavinia,
Can you send me an invite too so I can upload case history as well? Thank you!

Lauren
Sept 2014
Arizona


Re: Chaste Tree

Lorna Cane
 


Hi Lauren,


>How do I go about uploading his case history?

I've taken these directions from one of LeeAnne's messages t help someone else.I'm posting the entire thing because I know there are others with questions.
Upload to Your Folder:
A) Using Old Yahoo Version:

1. Go to the current location for posting NEW case histories. To find the current New History Site see Links to ECIR Case History Sites

2. Click on Create Folder (Yahoo Neo see next section)

3. Name the folder My Name. Use whatever name you wish to use but it should match the name you use on the EC list. For example: Susan C or Susan and Dobbin. NOTE: Do not use any punctuation in the name of the folder. Sooner or later, punctuation will result in a link that will not work and the loss of your folder’s contents.

4. Click on Add File to upload your horse’s Case History

5. Click on the Choose File or Browse button to find the file on your computer, then select the file (using “open” or “choose”)
  
B) Using Yahoo Neo Version:
1. Go to the current location for posting NEW case histories. To find the current New History Site see Links to ECIR Case History Sites Instructions for Posting and Updating Case Histories Sept 26, 2013

2. Look for the Upload icon:
  
3. Name the folder MyName. Use whatever name you wish but the folder name should match the name you use on the ECIR main list. For example: Susan C or Susan and Dobbin. Click “Save” to save your folder in the files. *NOTE: Do not use any punctuation or symbols in the name of the  folder. Sooner or later, punctuation /symbols will result in a link that will not work and the loss of your folder’s contents.

4. Find and open your folder

5. Click on Upload button:
  
6. Find the file on your computer and select the file by clicking on the file name.

7. Click on Open button

8. Type in a description if needed

9. Click on the Save button
  
You now have your own folder to put your horse’s information in. Save/bookmark your folders’s URL
and include it in your post each time you ask questions on the EC List. This will let ECIR volunteers find
your information quickly. Your Folder URL should look similar to this:


Hope this helps,and that it is not caught up in any new NEO glitches.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
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Re: Link Error Fixes and How to Search Files using the Webpage

Marla Spellenberg
 

Hi Nancy,  I added the most votes (3) that I could to push the 9th ranking up.  Too bad I couldn't use all the rest (47)!  LOL.  Hope this helps a bit!
me, marla
Ketaki (RIP), Savannah (IR) and Cassidy

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