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Re: Newbie questions

 

Yes, Dr. Kellon makes a valid point about the sugar/starch content of the MS Timothy Pellets. Honestly, I would go in the direction of the ODTB cubes. Much less hassle.

Kathleen (KFG in KCMO)
Director, ECIR Inc.
Missouri, USA - Dec 2005


Re: Newbie questions

 

It's not mine to send but you may find others like it in the file. Remember, this isn't "one size fits all." Those were just ball park figures to help you make a decision. 

Farrier's Formula has minerals in it.

Kathleen (KFG in KCMO)
Director, ECIR Inc
Missouri - USA Dec 2005


Re: Newbie questions

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <katmando@...> wrote :

Of course, everything depends on accurate costs, the balance of the pellets, the upfront costs of minerals, scales, whether you make your own mix (double the amount above if you have a mix custom made), etc., etc.

For my money I would go with the cubes. Less hassle, less variability.

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Also, the pellets are NOT guaranteed to be safe from a sugar and starch standpoint.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: ivermectin for encysted strongyles?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The ivermectin protocol is not published but I ran it past Dr. Gene Lyons (parasitologist in Kentucky) and he agreed it would work.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001





OT dog semi emergency

Carol
 

My 12 yr. old dog is on 120 mg Vetrolyn daily for cushings and the box with the last 10 in it has disappeared.  My vet is out of town.  How long can he go without his medicine?


Does anyone in the Rising Sun MD area have any on hand that I could borrow till I can get more which will be late next week?


No other local vet will get me any because they haven't done the testing.


Carol in Maryland


Re: Re files acth testing and sending to cornell

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Here is the Cornell link.  Other information you might need is in the links on their site.

https://ahdc.vet.cornell.edu/test/list.aspx?Species=&Test_Name=acth&TstTyp=&WebDisc=

 

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


Re: APF files

gypsylassie
 

Hi LJ,
My boys are not PPID so I don't use APF for the pergolide veil, just for the adaptogenic help with any stress, weather changes, etc.  My boys are on it daily.  Beau gets about 4 ml/day and Chappie 6ml/day. (Chappie reacts to stress more than Beau)  I up that when it gets really cold here.  The people at Auburn Labs are nice to talk to, and I've found the best price at Thriving Pets.com.
Also, if Neo will cooperate, a general search with APF as subject might turn up some posts to read thru.
It's too bad Neo ever came to be.  I used to search out a lot of things and get off on all kinds of tangents. Oh well.
Laura K. Chappie & Beau
N.IL.2011


Re: Re files acth testing and sending to cornell

Valeree Smith
 

Our archivist and file-keeper may weigh in here in the morning, but the protocol has not changed.

(Congratulations on actually accessing the files.......Yahoo's Neo has made it a nightmare for some some people)  


Valeree, GD, Jake & Annie
ECHK Support
SoCal, 09/03



 

ACTH testing is from 2006 and sending to cornell is 2005.


Re: APF files

Valeree Smith
 

LJ,

We pretty much follow the directions on the bottle but, as with everything, watch for your horse's response.  You can contact Auburn Labs directly; it is my understanding that the owner is very good at suggesting dosing for specific issues AND answering any questions you have.

 Valeree, GD, Jake & Annie
ECHK Support
SoCal, 09/03

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Re: APF files

lj friedman
 

I see nothing in the apf files with instructions/directions.. I know the bottle has directions, I am wondering if members have any helpful hints, dose adjustments to make this work best.. thanks. lj friedman san diego nov 2014


Re: Newbie questions

gypsylassie
 

Just one more thought.  When I was first looking for a source for the ODTBCs I called Aurelio at Ontario Dehy and asked him about availability in Northern Illinois.  One of his suggestions was actually a horse trainer with a boarding barn who got large shipments of several different  types of cubes.  It was a long drive, but was a fair price.  I now drive about 1 hr. to get them a little closer.  I let them know when I'll be needing them and they'll combine it with other shipments.  Of course the shipping all the way out to your area will be more, but Aurelio might have a couple of other suggestions for you to try.
Laura K. Chappie & Beau
N.IL.2011


Re files acth testing and sending to cornell

lj friedman
 

I have looked at both these files in prep for testing.. ACTH testing is from 2006 and sending to cornell is 2005. I dont like to rely on outdated info. can these 2 fiiles be updated? lj friedman san diego nov 2014


Re: Newbie questions

lj friedman
 

can you send me the report for the mtn sunrise timothy pellets. I dont currently put in lysine/minerals unless the farriers formula has it?  ( I need to check their label) thanks lj friedman san diego 2014.


Re: Newbie questions

 

I just finished balancing the analysis from Mountain Sunrise Timothy Pellets. The daily "dose" of lysine, minerals, flax, vitamin E would run about $1.15/day. The pellets cost about $0.40/lb x 20 lbs/day = $8.00 + $1.15 = $9.15/day total.

The ODTB cubes would cost $0.64/lb x 20 lbs/day = $12.80. You would need to add flax and vitamin E for about $0.40/day = $13.20/day total unless you can source your flax seed locally at a better price. 

Of course, everything depends on accurate costs, the balance of the pellets, the upfront costs of minerals, scales, whether you make your own mix (double the amount above if you have a mix custom made), etc., etc.

For my money I would go with the cubes. Less hassle, less variability.

Kathleen (KFG in KCMO)
Director, ECIR Inc.
Missouri - USA - Dec 2005


Re: Newbie questions

lj friedman
 

Thanks for the reply. I priced out a pallet and they don't offer a discount because they said they make very little money on the product.

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Re: Newbie questions

gypsylassie
 

Thanks Lavinia.  So far so good.  


Re: Newbie questions

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi LJ,

Alfalfa usually has a relatively low total sugar+starch but the starch fraction is much higher than other hays and starch is converted 100% into glucose while the sugars only convert 50% into glucose. Alfalfa is generally very high in protein and calcium. Excess protein is not a bonus. To balance the calcium you will need to add a LOT of phosphorus - the most yucky tasting of all the minerals. Plus you will need to analyze the hay to find out how much copper, zinc, magnesium, manganese may be needed to actually balance the minerals properly. Anything you feed will require flax, salt and vit E as those are missing unless pasture is a large part of the diet.

The Mountain Sunrise pellets are an unknown as far as mineral content and s/s levels, although they are generally OK for s/s. Also would require added minerals and testing to know what they have/don't have.

ODTBC has everything already tested and all minerals added except flax, salt and vit E so you don't spend any extra money on testing, minerals. All horses benefit from having their diet correctly mineral balanced but those who are under extra stress/challenges have an even greater need to have their nutrition support them fully.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team





Re: Newbie questions

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 


Laura,

Healing thoughts and prayers to your husband, hugs to you. Hope everything turns out OK.

Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut
Jan 05, RI
EC Support Team

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I don't have time to get into the nutrition with you, still dealing with a very unwell husband ( 11 hrs in surgery today)


Re: Newbie questions

gypsylassie
 




---In EquineCushings@..., <lj_friedman@...> wrote :

 I need to choose between either the oDTP cubes which cost $32 with tax for 50 pounds or the mountain sunrise Timothy pellets which cost$20 for 50 pounds.when I crunch the numbers based on what I'll be feeding it is $112.50 more expensive to feed the cubes.each month vs the pellet


Hi LJ,
I don't have time to get into the nutrition with you, still dealing with a very unwell husband ( 11 hrs in surgery today), but one thought on the ODTBCs.  If you can store them properly, the cubes last a good long time, just like properly stored baled hay.  Perhaps if you take a whole pallet you can get a better price.  That's what I do and stored on the wood floor in the haymow they keep very well.  It's a big chunk of $$, but better value in the end.  I can just get a pallet load in my pick up truck with a topper on it.  
Laura K. Chappie & Beau
N.IL.2011


Newbie questions

lj friedman
 

Remember I'm new to this so don't take my ignorance as a reflection of the group. Im a slow learner My first question concerns alfalfa hay which I remember being one of the lowest Hayes in sugar starch. If a horse could eat alfalfa hay and do well on it, wouldn't that be a fine thing where no special feeds are necessary? Next question, assuming that alfalfa hey is not a good choice, I need to choose between either the oDTP cubes which cost $32 with tax for 50 pounds or the mountain sunrise Timothy pellets which cost$20 for 50 pounds.when I crunch the numbers based on what I'll be feeding it is $112.50 more expensive to feed the cubes.each month vs the pellets I know the cubes have things that the pellets don't have.but because I've learned things on the group I have a non-Cushing's horse that I am now feedingtriple Crown omega flax, farriers formula, vitamin EE. So when I do my calculations and I use the cost of the pellets in my calculations, I don't include the cost of the carriers farriers formula or the Omega flex or the vitamin EE because I'm giving it to my non-Cushing horse and even though they do have a cost I don't care about the cost because I'm using these products anyway. Whether. .so with that being said if I had to choose between the pellets with the supplements that I am adding or the cubes that cost me one 125.00 more per month, what am I missing with the pellets and the supplements i include Vs , what the cubes offer with no supplements being added . LJ Friedman San Diego November 2014

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