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Re: Adding Cyproheptadine to Pergolide prescription

Jen Mcgeehan
 

Thanks so much! wow, some on 36 mg of Pergolide? 


Re: Adding Cyproheptadine to Pergolide prescription

Jen Mcgeehan
 

Thanks so much for this information!!! I have copied it and will forward on to my vet and farrier. The vet is respectful of my position but is still a bit on the "old school" side of things.



Re: Asking again. Way to give pill?

Lorna Cane
 

Thanks, Lj, I do know that *you* know that, from our private emails.

As I hoped to explain privately, the concern is that new members,who have so much on their plates at the beginning of this journey,may think that pergolide and Prascend are two different drugs, if we just refer to them in that way.

 Confusion could be avoided if we  talk about compounded pergolide, and Prascend. 
Or better yet Prascend pergolide, but I know that is awkward.

>Just a note that when I compare pergolide to prascend I do know that >pergolide is compounded and usually in capsule form, and prascend is in pill form. 


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Re: Asking again. Way to give pill?

lj friedman
 

Just a note that when I compare pergolide to prascend I do know that pergolide is compounded and usually in capsule form, and prascend is in pill form. Lj friedman san diego nov 14

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Re: Wormings

Lorna Cane
 

Lj,have you found the Deworming file?

Equine Cushings and Insulin Resistance

 


> I'm using my iPhone so I cannot put in a case history.

Case Histories are very important,as I'm sure everyone is tired of hearing by now.
If there's no way to post a link to a case history using an iphone, I'm guessing a PC/Mac needs to be found.


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
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Re: Sending bloodwork to Cornell

Heather Leonard
 

Thank you!

Heather

To: EquineCushings@...
From: EquineCushings@...
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:47:59 -0800
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: Sending bloodwork to Cornell

 
Hi Heather

You are not dreaming!  Here's the link.  Account needs to be set up by your vet.  Some members send it themselves to help out a busy vet,  but it needs to be through your vet's account.  Many of the Cornell links are listed in our LINKS section should you need it quickly again.




Nancy C in NH
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Invest in the health of your horse and help ECIR Group nonprofit at the same time! Hear Drs Kellon, Bowker and more, in eight hours of great info and informative Q&A from 2013 NO Laminitis! Conference.

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Re: Sending bloodwork to Cornell

Nancy C
 

Hi Heather

You are not dreaming!  Here's the link.  Account needs to be set up by your vet.  Some members send it themselves to help out a busy vet,  but it needs to be through your vet's account.  Many of the Cornell links are listed in our LINKS section should you need it quickly again.



Nancy C in NH
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Invest in the health of your horse and help ECIR Group nonprofit at the same time! Hear Drs Kellon, Bowker and more, in eight hours of great info and informative Q&A from 2013 NO Laminitis! Conference.

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Re: Insulin & glucose results...not good?

chf1752@...
 

She's much different this morning, bright, alert and friendly. 

She just got her ODTBC, minerals and pergolide yesterday. No jiaogulan. I had worked her up to 1 tsp twice a day. 

Could it be that's too much jiaogulan for her? 

Its what I had to work her up to so she has some pink to her gums and tongue, and she seems more comfortable in her feet.

If I go back to 1 tsp jiaogulan a day and add in the AAKG and ALCAR, could I have the same results in terms of comfort?

Erin
ME
2014
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Re: Giving prascend to picky horse

ThePitchforkPrincess@...
 

Late is better than never or so they say ;-)
With my mare I use beet pulp in bowl (okay a dish washing tub from the dollar store).  I pile a handful in the center, hide the capsule in it and push the rest of the beet pulp (two or three handfuls) to the outside.  Dawn eats the pile and nine times out of ten gets the capsule in the first go.  She has usually knocked the sides in a bit and once she's swallowed the 2nd mouthful I'm satisfied she's eat the capsule. If she doesn't I just take the remaining bp and start the pile again.

Regardless of what carrier is used, it helps that the horse is familiar with it and likes it before the capsule is added.  In other words, it may not be fair to say a horse doesn't like grapes, celery, bread, prunes or whatever if you are introducing it with the capsule or if s/he has never been introduced to it before.  Many horses take several tries before they realize the new "treat" it is a food.  Dawn didn't like prunes at first but after a week of offering and leaving a few in her soaked cubes, she came to like them.  The prunes were put aside as they were a pita to deal with compared to the bp which is part of her daily diet and thus read to go without additional hassle.  

-LeeAnne, Newmarket, Ontario

ECIR Archivist 03/2004

ECIR Files Table of Contents


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Sending bloodwork to Cornell

Heather Leonard
 

I thought that I saw somewhere that there was an account set up with UPS or FED EX for sending bloodwork to Cornell. Can't seem to find it now.  If I am not dreaming and it exists, could someone post it or send me a link?  Thanks!


Heather

Mass 2000 


How to support the ECIR Group nonprofit

Nancy C
 

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Re: Toothless pony having hard time w. soaked ODTB

Nancy C
 

Hi Beverly

My toothless 31 y/o had to have it mush.  Took adjusting to get it just right.  Fed four time a day and he would sulk, but their was no alternative.  He thrived for the last almost two years of his life.

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Re: Asking again. Way to give pill?

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Lj,

>I'm about to start prascend and not pergolide.

For clarity, Prascend  *is* pergolide.

Prascend is the tablet form (more expensive) produced by BI.
Compounded pergolide is the same drug as used in Prascend tablets, but in a compounded form - powder and encapsulated, the latter recommended here.

There have been lots of posts recently about ways to feed the tablet,as well as info. in our Files.
Have you seen them?


 Lorna in Ontario,Canada

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Re: Toothless pony having hard time w. soaked ODTB

Lorna Cane
 


Hi Beverly,

>What choices do I have now?  Making it wetter, or drier


Wetter would be my choice.


.... adding beet pulp.... adding some Stabul 1 to make it chewier


My thought would be to avoid chewier,if she has no teeth.


> I'm so sad seeing half her food on the ground and she's thin.  


For my toothless horses I use bigger pails for their food.In fact,I use muck bucket sized tubs.

Helps them keep more food in pail than out.


There might be more ideas to offer about her thinness,but  I don't remember where her case history is.



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Asking again. Way to give pill?

lj friedman
 

I'm about to start prascend and not pergolide. Wondering if anyone has any tricks to get a picky horse to take a pill. I tried prunes and bananas etc. I haven't tried hiding in a carrot yet and I don't want to drive myself crazy like crushing and mixing with liquid etc. i want something quick and easy if. Possible. Thank you LJ Friedman San Diego November 2014. I'm emailing from my iPhone so I cannot post case history

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Re: Insulin & glucose results...not good?

Regina Sokolik
 

Hi,
I use a soft cookie and put my pony's pill in it. She looks forward to her morning cookie. It is a low sugar cookie. Maybe this will work for your mare.
Regina
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: chf1752@... [EquineCushings]
To: EquineCushings
Sent: Tue, Dec 16, 2014 12:23 pm
Subject: [EquineCushings] Re: Insulin & glucose results...not good?

 
Or maybe this isn't as bad as I thought.

She's now giving me a ridiculously hard time about being caught. Normally, she's very easy to catch. Today, I walked calmly out to her, halter in hand, and she tore off like a crazy horse. Galloping and kicking. I spent an hour, and I just couldn't catch her. Couldn't even get within 5 ft of her.

Hopefully she'll be more sane this afternoon, so I can give her her pergolide. If not, there's really nothing I can do if she just wants to run away.

She used to be such a sweet horse. Waiting at the gate for me every morning, sometimes she'd walk away when I went to halter her but it wasn't like this. Its like she's a totally different horse now. Spooky, reactive and tries to bite me.

But she needs the pergolide, so there's really no choice in the matter. I guess I just have to accept that for her pergolide = nasty, crazy horse. 

Erin
ME
2014


Toothless pony having hard time w. soaked ODTB

beverly meyer
 

Ginger's been on fluffy ODTB for a year but is now not able to chew it well at all.  The dentist says her mouth is fine, just empty of teeth!

What choices do I have now?  Making it wetter, or drier.... adding beet pulp.... adding some Stabul 1 to make it chewier.... I'm open to all ideas.

Thanks for the help. I'm so sad seeing half her food on the ground and she's thin.  

Beverly Texas 6/14


Re: Insulin & glucose results...not good?

Nancy C
 

Based on what you are describing, there is something that bears looking into. 

Testing ACTH would have given you a picture of post seasonal rise. Just FYI, the Cornell Cost is $30.00

I'm really sorry Erin.  Don't have time to look right now at your hay. You could look at tightening her Calcium:magnesium ratio below 2:1.  Contact whomever helped you with your balancing.  Do not go below a 1.5:1 ratio.  It may help with her insulin issues and has a calming effect. Four ounces of Ontario Dehy should not interfere.

It's early in the season but you could also look at the info on mares from the 2013 proceedings. There's more background discussion in the message archives.

2013 Proceedings & Recordings Table of Contents

 





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Basically, I’ve seen her when she’s feeling good and this is different. 




Re: ECIR Group Inc. 2015 NO Laminitis! Conf

 

Last year's conference was terrific!

Jackie Decker
Mystic Ranch
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On Dec 16, 2014, at 12:01 PM, threecatfarm@... [EquineCushings] <EquineCushings@...> wrote:

 

Dear Fellow Yahoo Members

The US alone has almost ten million horses. The most current estimates are that  10% to 15% of horses will suffer from laminitis every year, with 80% to 90% of the cases caused by endocrine disease. It can be a death sentence if not diagnosed and managed correctly.

For 15 years the ECIR Group has improved the welfare of equines with metabolic disorder by focusing on prevention and treatment of endocrinopathic laminitis. Helping caregivers learn to recognize the importance of diagnosis, diet, trim and exercise has seen thousands through the complications of Equine Cushing’s Disease and Insulin Resistance.

Today ECIR Group is thrilled to announce the 2015 NO Laminitis! Conference.

The date, and venue have been set.

When: The weekend of November 6-8, 2015
Where: Georgetown, TX (just outside Austin with international access)
Speakers: Drs Kellon and Bowker are confirmed. Additional lecturers to be announced shortly.
Attendees: Any professional or owner who has one or more horses in their care.
 
Preliminary info can be found on though the ECIR web site and on www.nolaminitis.org/

Once the final details are in place, registration info will be announced to the group. Keep an eye out for conference info on Yahoo, Facebook, ecirhorse.org, nolaminitis.org and IVIS.

Attendees at the 2011 and 2013 conferences welcomed the latest in research and specific protocols used to improve the welfare of equines in their care. The 2015 NO Laminitis! Conference will continue to build on that mission.

Please mark the date!


Nancy C in NH
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Re: Insulin & glucose results...not good?

chf1752@...
 

She’s been on 1mg a day of pergolide since September 30. My new vet was out on Dec 8, and he wants to hold off on retesting ACTH until January. 

She’s the leader of her herd, so I don’t think its an asserting herself thing. Over the summer she felt good and was running around and playing a lot, but there was none of what I’m seeing now. Basically, I’ve seen her when she’s feeling good and this is different. 

When she’s healthy and normal she comes up to the gate to greet me in the morning. She also runs around and plays with the minis. She might walk away a bit when I have to halter her, but its never a chase. When she’s feeling good, she’s ok with me walking over to her to give her her syringes when she’s loose. She’ll even walk over to me for more. I’m seeing the opposite now.

She’s getting encapsulated pergolide powder. I could open the capsules, but I don’t have a good way to figure out how much of the powder I’d be giving her if I were to divide what’s in the capsule. 

She lives with 2 minis, and she’s definitely the boss. The youngest mini (4) is friends with her, and they hang out together a lot. The older mini (5) doesn’t get along well with her, but at least the minis have each other. 

I normally give her pergolide at the end of the day, usually 3-4pm. I really don’t like being outside in the cold at this time of year.

If she’s still getting the exact same hay, why would I need to rebalance her minerals? I’ve done the testing and calculations, and the minerals she’s getting are balanced to the current hay. The hay test is in my ch.

Do I need to account for the carrier I use for minerals? 4oz of ODTBC twice a day. 


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